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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I don't understand the hand wringing over Wallace. Have they ordered a bronze bust for him that I missed?
I can't possibly agree with the following:
McCourty as a "C"---he has played very well in 2/3 seasons, and in both of those seasons he has warranted a 1st round pick status. I would have definitely given him a solid "B."
Ellis Hobbs as a "C+"---while Hobbs was never going to be a good #1 CB, he was extremely effective as a CB2 or CB3 at the worst. This isn't even taking into account his ST play either. I would move that up to a solid "C."
Meriweather as a "C-"---he freelanced and played out of position, and he did not warrant BOTH probowl votes, but he certainly deserved one of them in my opinion, and during his first 3 seasons of 2008-2010 only Troy Polamalu had more turnovers in the league. Meriweather deserves a solid "C" also.
BB is frequently accused of being a bad evaluator or WR talent but I don't buy that premise.
First, BB has only drafted 8 WRs with the Pats. Here are their 1st-year contributions:
2nd (2002) - BRANCH - 43/489, 2 TDs
2nd (2003) - JOHNSON - 16/209, 2 TDs
2nd (2006) - JACKSON - 13/152, 3 TDs
3rd (2009) - TATE - 24/432, 3TDs
3rd (2010) - PRICE - 3/41, 0
5th (2004) - PK SAM - 0-0-0 (he was really only a returner)
7th (2009) - EDELMAN - 37/359, 1 TD
7th (2002) - GIVENS - 9/92, 1 TD
No 1st rounders and 3 of 8 chosen after the 4th round. Of these 8, Branch, Edelman and Givens turned out pretty well. Given the rounds BB chose to use for drafting a WR, 3 of 8 actually seems pretty good to me.
So, maybe the right question to ask would be "why has BB valued WR talent so low?".
I don't know that answer but I can tell you I'm hoping he values WR higher for this draft.
1st - Javon Walker
2nd - Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Greg Jennings, Terrence Murphy, Robert Ferguson
3rd - James Jones
4th - Cory Rodgers
5th - David Clowney
6th - Craig Bragg
7th - Brett Swain, DeAndrew Rubin, Carl Ford
Because FredfromDartmouth is the definition of crazy. Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result. Fred figures that if he starts the same thread over and over again, the people who know better will just get tired of rebutting him with facts and that, at some point, he'll only get people replying who agree with him..
There were plenty of stories pre-Draft in 2006 about McDaniels pushing for Jackson, on here and on the web.
Its no coincidence that after we cut him, he rocked up in Denver - where McDaniels was coaching.
Unless I dreamt the whole McKid as HC thing and this is nothing but an episode of Dallas?
I appreciate your fair and astute evaluations. Whereas my thread was my opinion only
and I did the extended research,
the likely suspects on this forum have commented and are always "I am better than you" negative anyway.
I guess I could say that then they would be wrong then, wouldn't they!
Their opinion does not hold any more weight than yours or mine.
HA! You guys give just killed me when I said that the Ron "Flounder" Brace pick was a wasted pick. When I said that Haynesworth would not last half the season the outrage was so loud that the moderator trashed the thread. Everyone was stoning me then. HA!
.. Doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result...
The salary cap might get in the way of signing big name WRs and CBs but how does it get in the way of drafting one?
Because it was. Picking Tate one pick before Wallace was taken is the definitive, canonical,stupendously-bad, atrocious pick. Wallace was exactly the type of WR they needed yet they whiffed.
You could make a strong case that if Wallace was drafted then the Patriots would have won the Super Bowl last year or this year; it is really hard to win the Big One without a deep threat. For the last couple of years there has been a screaming need for guy who will take the top off the defense, and the frustrating thing is that they could have had that guy instead of Tate.
It should be no problem for you and snake eyes to pull up your posts screaming for the Patriots to take Wallace before that draft.
Let's see those posts.
01-23-2011, 06:16 PM
I can't claim that my search is conclusive proof of a lack of such screams by either poster you mentioned, but a search request for posts with the word "Wallace" in them, written by FredFromDartmouth, pull up a thread started at
as the first mention of that word by that poster:
New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
While I don't agree that failure to post about a player alternative is generally some sort of "gotcha", it's clear that FredFromDartmouth is a big poster on the draft, so that's certainly something that raises a red flag for me, in this instance.
We now have history etched in stone for the last 10-12 years and what it shows in respect to the patriots is that they are an average to below avergae team drafting talent.
We know that the owners are pretty tight with the bonus money which has created some horrific personnell decisions such as Samuel, Branch & Givens to name a few. the salary cap is crap it's the bonus money that matters and the Krafts have been trying to win on the cheao for a while now. The day of reckoning is coming soon than you think.
We now have history etched in stone for the last 10-12 years and what it shows in respect to the patriots is that they are an average to below avergae team drafting talent. We know that the owners are pretty tight with the bonus money which has created some horrific personnell decisions such as Samuel, Branch & Givens to name a few. the salary cap is crap it's the bonus money that matters and the Krafts have been trying to win on the cheao for a while now. The day of reckoning is coming soon than you think.
We now have history etched in stone for the last 10-12 years and what it shows in respect to the patriots is that they are an average to below avergae team drafting talent. We know that the owners are pretty tight with the bonus money which has created some horrific personnell decisions such as Samuel, Branch & Givens to name a few. the salary cap is crap it's the bonus money that matters and the Krafts have been trying to win on the cheao for a while now. The day of reckoning is coming soon than you think.
I appreciate your fair and astute evaluations.
Thanks for your realistic reply's. They were well thought out. All good comments.
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