Would you make this trade?

[Steve102]

I just read the entire thread. Very entertaining to say the least.

Here's where I am at on the "deal": no way. But we do have to look at the history of Belichick here. He generally seems to jettison guys while there is still some tread on the tires. The possible exception to that was Bruschi, and it can be inferred that the organization talked Bruschi in to retirement instead of getting released. If you look at big name QB's, there's some history of them moving on, albeit for different reasons, at the end of their careers. Most simply were forced out, as was discussed earlier. There's no future HOF'er on this team now, as much as the pro-Mallett crowd would beg to differ. He has not taken snaps of consequence as has been already pointed out. At least with Montana, there was a body of work to look at with Young.

I honestly think Belichick has too much respect for Brady to launch him to some hopeless mess like Cleveland.

on a separate note... just thinking out loud... how many of the pro-Mallett crowd were pro-Bishop crowd? There always seems to be a % of people that want "the other guy".

 

[IllegalContact]

I assumed he meant you'd be playing this album

except that he already fessed to the typo.......but nice try

 

[IllegalContact]

Still waiting for any evidence at all of Brady's drop-off?


Should be easy enough for a genius like you to provide.

keep waiting.....never said anything about a dropoff....

but, at 36, getting 4 high draft picks for him would be a sweet deal

 

[PATRlOT]

Ban OP and lock thread. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

 

[Kontradiction]

ain't happenin' regardless of who the pats have at QB.......you need to ease up on that train of thought

This team is a hard hitting safety, a DT/DE, and a physical reciever who can threaten downfield as well from going back to and winning the dance. Brady is still at the top of his game. Fill out the roster with the positions that have needed to be filled out for the last few years, and we're getting back over the hump. While I think 3 or 4 out of 5 is a little ridiculous, there is a method to Off the Grid's foaming at the mouth madness.

 

[Uncle Rico]

no.....if you are implying that trading brady constitutes a tear down, then that's exactly what you're saying

That is what I said. But it's not what you said I said.

 

[supafly]

what's more realistic is that there are likely no teams out there that would entertain that trade

I wouldn't quite go that far, illegalcontact.

2 firsts and 2 seconds would likely be what it takes to get Brady, who is playing at an extremely elite level now. His "35" is most other QB's "33" due to his workout program, the way he takes care of himself, his overall football knowledge and ability to read defenses better than anyone, not to mention obvious talent.

The Pats very well may extend his remaining 2 yrs with an additional 2 yrs this spring or summer, and if so they'll have little wiggle room to get out of it should his play tail off dramatically. Just the fact that they'd consider 4 more years should say a lot about the fact that he's definitely one of the greatest.

No way in hell that I would do this trade, as the 4 high draft picks wouldn't likely end up coming to much of anything in the end to equal the value anyway--just from the odds alone of at least 2 of the picks busting/not living up to potential/injuries as we've seen 'oh too many' times already.

But all it takes it ONE lonely team to know that they'll instantly be contenders for the next 3-4 yrs. Hell, we just saw WAS give up what? 3 firsts to move up from the 5 slot to #2....

 

[IllegalContact]

to me, it's not about mallett.....it's about one eye on the future, and the 'win-now' has yielded zilch.......except for a nasty habit of running into clotheslines in the playoffs.

bruschi remained because he was cheap and negotiated his own contracts.....and was always a good deal for the $$ he got

it was all hypothetical...not going to happen anyway......it wouldn't work because nobody's going to fork those kinds of draft picks for ANY 36 year old.......just won't happen.

in itself, he is still by far the best option the pats have......but it is getting close to the end of the line......whether it's injury, or just plain ole age, it's closer rather than farther....he's not going to be here for another 4-5 years like and the pats aren't going to fancy continuing to build a team for the future that includes a 38 year old QB.....it takes very little time to go from 'indispensible' to being shown the door.

I just read the entire thread. Very entertaining to say the least.

Here's where I am at on the "deal": no way. But we do have to look at the history of Belichick here. He generally seems to jettison guys while there is still some tread on the tires. The possible exception to that was Bruschi, and it can be inferred that the organization talked Bruschi in to retirement instead of getting released. If you look at big name QB's, there's some history of them moving on, albeit for different reasons, at the end of their careers. Most simply were forced out, as was discussed earlier. There's no future HOF'er on this team now, as much as the pro-Mallett crowd would beg to differ. He has not taken snaps of consequence as has been already pointed out. At least with Montana, there was a body of work to look at with Young.

I honestly think Belichick has too much respect for Brady to launch him to some hopeless mess like Cleveland.

on a separate note... just thinking out loud... how many of the pro-Mallett crowd were pro-Bishop crowd? There always seems to be a % of people that want "the other guy".

 

[supafly]

keep waiting.....never said anything about a dropoff....

but, at 36, getting 4 high draft picks for him would be a sweet deal

He's still 35 and won't be 36 until the start of the season, so in theory three more solid years would be at ages 36, 37, and 38.

Most of the higher talent level QBs have played until their late 30's, early 40's, and they probably didn't have 1/2 the workout program that Brady currently does.

I believe that Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Dan Marino, and Brett Favre all played into their late 30's/early 40's. With the way this offense is set up for quick timing passes Brady could easily play another 4-5 years without much falloff in my opinion.

 

[supafly]

to me, it's not about mallett.....it's about one eye on the future, and the 'win-now' has yielded zilch.......except for a nasty habit of running into clotheslines in the playoffs.

One thing to remember is this little stat:

Number of games played in the NFL season after the NE Patriots were eliminated in the past two years:

ONE...that will be this Sunday's SB matchup between BAL/SF.

That's 2 yrs in a row of playing up until the very end of the playoff season. Just because they didn't win the SB does not mean that anything necessarily needs much changing. They've been in the entire championship game and a conference championship game against teams that played better on that particular day, and even then a lot of it was some good luck (Manning catch part 2 + four fumbles that all went their way) and heartbreaking injuries to our key players.

They need to keep doing what they do, and they'll end up having things fall their way.

Keep knocking at the door and eventually you'll kick it down--or something like that.

 

[Off The Grid]

ain't happenin' regardless of who the pats have at QB.......you need to ease up on that train of thought

The next time ~ excuse me: the FIRST time ~ that I see any reason to seek council from the likes of you...I'll be sure to let you know.

 

[Froob]

You don't break up championship caliber teams, period. I'd rather ride Brady out for the next 3-5 years and hope we get some breaks our way and win one more title. If not, then we can't say we didn't try. There's no guarantee any of the cleveland picks pan out to much. With Brady, they're a playoff team(they have a solid d) and those picks won't be that great. Mallett might not become anything. What we do know, is Brady is among the top 3 qbs in the league. The goal is to win the super bowl. Trading away an all time great qb greatly hurts that chace.

 

[JDot]

No, but I'd strongly consider it for number one overall in next year's draft for the right to select Johnny Football. Not saying I'd do it right off the bat, but it's something I'd strongly think about.

Mariota>Johnny football..

Mariota will be a better NFL QB then Johnny football...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OOba5A5V-A

 

[Off The Grid]

Well said, Brother Bogart.

Some guys are so intimately a part of the team's History that trading them is an Atrocity.

And the fact that Brady could ~ Oh, by the way ~ be the most important part of our winning 3 or 4 of the next 5 Super Bowls sort'f adds to the appeal of saying FUNK THAT to this notion of trading'm...in MY view.

Fair Answer, Sir.

But, again, as it cannot be oversaid:

1 ~ If the Team is in Decay...OR...

2 ~ If the Team is fundamentally decrepid and unable to compete for Championships...

By all means: Burn it ALL down.

Scorched EARTH, Baby...in the correct sense of the term.

***

But...

As it turns out...

We happen to have ~ arguably ~ the greatest Head Coach of ALL TIME....AND...arguably...the greatest QUARTERBACK of All Time...IN HOUSE.

And it turns out that ~ rather than a state of decay ~ this 53 is ON THE RISE.

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The notion of tearing out the most important Player on that 53...JUST when we're on the brink of a possibly INSANE 3-5 year run of sweet DOMINANCE...is nuttier than SQUIRREL Schytte.

ain't happenin' regardless of who the pats have at QB.......you need to ease up on that train of thought

This team is a hard hitting safety, a DT/DE, and a physical reciever who can threaten downfield as well from going back to and winning the dance. Brady is still at the top of his game. Fill out the roster with the positions that have needed to be filled out for the last few years, and we're getting back over the hump. While I think 3 or 4 out of 5 is a little ridiculous, there is a method to Off the Grid's foaming at the mouth madness.

That's why we pay Brother Kontra that bloated Salary, Ladies & Laddies.

Disagreement ~ with me, in this case ~ but reasonably, and with an Open Mind.

Thanks, Bro. I learn as much from our disagreements as I do from most with whom I agree.

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As for you, IC: May I suggest that you graduate from the style ~ and the mentality ~ of a 6 Year Old, if your Object is to get people to take you seriously?

 

[Off The Grid]

The Patriots need a few patches, not a tear down.

Exactamundo!!

We're ~ incredibly ~ a young team on the rise, and Super Bowl 2014 Favorites, for God's Sake.

Call me old fashioned...but when you've got the GOAT In Training at QuarterBack AND Head Coach AND a young, talented, savvy Team on the RISE...I figure: What The Hell...Maybe we should see if we can win a SUPER BOWL or three before we blow the team UP!! What do you think???

There'll be PLENTY of time for The Curtis Rowe Era when Brady's Run is run OUT.

But, hey...That's ME!!

 

[fair catch fryar]

teams who do that tend to have 'dark ages' for a long period of time......you get while the getting is good......brady is likely gone in 2 years tops anyway....how would you NOT do this?

I'd dare to say that brady would not make the browns a playoff team, so next year's picks would be pretty good, too.....

the league is changing.......7 of the playoff QB's are on their rookie deals.......5 of them were rookies or 2nd year guys.

you transition when the opportunity best presents itself......holding on for life until the bitter end will result in a slow painful death and then a fandom that will get to stare at a corpse for a long while until there is a rebirth

Not if what was suggested is reality and BB/Kraft know this and Ryan Mallet is the next franchise QB. Seems like he spends 3-4 more years riding the bench maturing even more under Brady's tutelage while the Pats lock him up for the next 6-7 years and continue with the present business model and play the Colts 8 more times in the AFCCG.

 

[ausbacker]

There's nothing unreasonable in the OP. To answer your question, yes I'd think about it. Would I go ahead with it? I don't know.

The success of Kaepernick, RG3, Wilson and Luck makes it an interesting discussion.

 

[Kontradiction]

Mariota>Johnny football..

Mariota will be a better NFL QB then Johnny football...

Oregon QB Marcus Mariota 2012 Highlights

We'll go ahead and disagree on that.

 

[ALP]

until SOMEONE sees Mallet perform in a serious NFL game, they will have no IDEA how good he will be, just hunches


and you do not trade Tom Brady for unproven commodities, no matter how many

 

[BradyFTW!]

About half of the posts in this thread are from users who are on my ignore list. That's a pretty surefire sign that this is a crap thread.