Report: Tim Tebow asked out of Wildcat because he was skipped

[Ive_Killed_People]

Reading what is said isn't your strong suit, is it?

There is no "Anti-Christian" bigotry. What there is, though, is plenty of hypocrisy from the Tebow supporters who ignore what Fencer pointed out.

Helping the kids with cancer has no bearing on Tebow being a locker-room cancer. If you look throughout history, you'll find that plenty of mobsters gave money to charities. That didn't absolve them of their crimes... (and no, I am not equating Tebow to a mobster).

Yes there is anti-Christian bigotry and you know it. You are absolutely ridiculous. You equate Tebow to mobsters and in the next sentence say you didnt. You remind me a lot of Adolf Hitler. And no I'm not equating you with Hitler.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

So......Helping cancer kids doesn't make up for being pissed at the Jets?. The anti-Christian bigotry and hate of Tebow's detractors knows no bounds.

And now with the persecution complex.

So not liking Tebow means you're anti-Christian? I've never heard anything so stupid. I think you've got your religious figureheads confused. Is your world so mixed up on some bastardized form of what you think Christianity is that Tebow is a religious symbol to you?

 

[DocHoliday]

And now with the persecution complex.

So not liking Tebow means you're anti-Christian? I've never heard anything so stupid. I think you've got your religious figureheads confused. Is your world so mixed up on some bastardized form of what you think Christianity is that Tebow is a religious symbol to you?

No but many people feel offended by his blatant christian-ness. They claim that they feel Tebow is telling them he's better than everyone. It's the most silly childish insecure thing I've read here.

 

[PatriotSeven]

He quit on his team. Despite your desperate attempt to blame it on everybody else, he took himself out. I've never seen such a sense of entitlement from a player or the people who side with him.

Ever consider the very real possibility that maybe he just isn't very good and as bad as Sanchez is, Tebow is even worse. What possible reason would they keep Sanchez in if they thought Tebow was better?

BTW, what's a buss? Seems to me that someone who makes three different posts over the misspelling/misuse of a word should try and spell correctly himself.

Ok, whatever you say man. I've considered many possibilities and I have come to my conclusion. Anyone with a clue about football knows nobody's been worse than Mark Sanchez has this year, not even Tebow last year. For Buttfumble to have 50 turnovers over the past 2 years and a coach repeatedly starting this guy and gets to keep his job tells me there are other things going on here, non-football related. Let me make it clear: it's impossible to be a winning team in the NFL with that type of quarterback play. And Rex knows it.

No doubt Tebow looks worse than Sanchez or McElroy in Sanchez's or McElroy offense in practice. However they themselves look worthless, during actual games, and if roles were reversed, they would look like utter and complete crap trying to practice the spread option. The fact is you don't trade for Tebow to run a pro style offense. None of the other dual pass/rush QB's are being asked to do this. That's what you don't see. That to me is putting someone like him in a position to fail. If I can figure this one out, I would assume a professional NFL coach knows it as well and everything that took place is a result of their decisions.

But from what I am seeing you are far too dug into your stance to be objective about things, to understand this, to differentiate things, and look at the bigger picture and seem to be hell bent on clinging on to this article which basically says "Tebow is a bad person, a quitter, etc" as if it's validating some personal wrong doing Tebow or his fans did to you. You can't differentiate between propaganda and fact.

If you want to scream at the top of your lungs that Tebow quit on this team, when to anyone who sees the big picture it sounds absolutely hilarious then keep on beating that drum. What are you trying to prove, that he's not a saint? Ok he's not a saint. That he's acting selfish and looking out for his own interested when the people he trusted do not? Ok he's being selfish, and if you ask me, I say good for him.

In the end, who cares? Personally I don't care if Tebow starts cursing like a sailor and starts screwing prostitutes like Charlie Sheen or showing his penis off like Bret Farve. I just know he can play quarterback in the spread option, he's the best spread option quarterback other than RG3 to come out of college in the past 5 years, and would have easily performed better than those two clowns on the Jets. I'm glad it sounds like he'll get a shot to do it again somewhere else. That's what I care about.

This other stuff, is just nothing but the same old Jets grabbing media headlines to try and divert attention from their sorry ass team which has been going on for years now. Or some other website site trying to get a hit. People are starting to catch on to this. One day you will too.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm not reading all 6 pages of this, because I don't care enough about Tebow to do so. However, I find it awfully convenient that this story leaked out at this particular time....even if its true. Its clear the guy has been lied to and dumped on the entire time he's been with the Jets. They wasted a year of his very limited career. They have shown absolutely no loyalty to to him, I don't see where he owes any to them going out the door.

That's IF this story is true. I haven't seen any corroboration. The only thing we know for certain is that he complained to Rex about being passed over. Who wouldn't? This is one of those hearsay stories that gains a life of its own. In my opinion there is just a good a chance this story is a lie as it is the truth....and it should be treated as such

Well stated.

IF he did as the unsourced rumor mongers claim and I was the HC, I'd suspend him for conduct undetrimental to the team. And I as a poster would also conclude that he was stupid as well as selfish for not simply waiting out the last couple miserable weeks as a NY Jet.

What we do know is that he was promised a shot at the NY Jets QB position. In the eyes of the coaching staff he was either (1) so bad in practice that it would be counterproductive to put him in a real game or (2) he was halfway decent and represented a threat to the openly favored Sanchez.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

When are you going to figure out Tim Tebow is a spread option quarterback who shouldn't be asked to play in a pro style offense? It's not about being given a chance, and not earning it, it's about being in bad situations that don't allow you to earn it. I guarantee you if Megatron was asked to play punt returner he too would strangle his coach.

And if you want to believe that it was "rib injury" and not the fact the Jets don't have a spread option offense and don't want to go with Tebow in that direction, be my guest. We're all entitled to our speculation, but don't speak it as fact. What is a fact is that Sparano split the Jets offense into Marky's old ****ty ass offense and the Wildcat. Neither one is something Tebow runs. He is a skilled QB in the spread option. He sees all of these other college quarterbacks doing something he knows he can do, yet he's being asked to change who he is, just to get the same opportunity.

And I'm sorry but Tom was asked to play in an offense he could actually succeed in. If Tom was asked to be a back up in a spread option offense he would never see the field. If Bill Belichick kept referring to him as a "football player" which undermines any chance of a quarterback gaining respect from his teammates, he would have never gained their respect.

And if anything like that did happen to Tom, I have no doubt in my mind Tom would give the team and coaching staff the middle finger and go somewhere else!

That's the attitude - give effort only when the game gets changed to fit your supposed strengths. That's quite a life lesson - How honorable.

 

[DocHoliday]

That's the attitude - give effort only when the game gets changed to fit your supposed strengths. That's quite a life lesson - How honorable.

1.) he gave a season of effort, including gaining weight for his new role.
2.) you don't know this is even true

 

[woolster22]

That's the attitude - give effort only when the game gets changed to fit your supposed strengths. That's quite a life lesson - How honorable.

Let's assume the rib injury was legit. Why would Tebow step on the field at this point? Preseason I was joking around wishing Denver and the jets did exactly what transpired. I never thought ny would be stupid enough to do it. Tebow had the screws put to him by elway and is in a disaster of a locker room in ny. If he really was hurt why would he bother risking himself to reinjury, or further injury? A poorly placed broken rib can be life threatening, let alone career impacting.

That said, I have never been a Tebow fan.

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[PatriotSeven]

That's the attitude - give effort only when the game gets changed to fit your supposed strengths. That's quite a life lesson - How honorable.

I'm sorry but which high profile draft picks, first round quarterbacks in the NFL don't get this?

Did Cam Newton get a spread option offense he could step right into? Yes.
Did RG3? Yes.
Did Russel Wilson? Yes

Why shouldn't Tebow? Why the hell is he the only spread option QB that is being asked to change who he is or to run something he isn't good at?

And you are wrong. He has freaking earned it. He led a 1-4 team into the playoffs last year with a makeshift offense. Last time I checked this gives NFL QB's some leverage. Even this year, he at least tried to do what was asked of him whether it was gaining weight, playing punt protector or running the Wildcat. He did try. And all that earned him was his teammates and every other moronic analyst saying he can't throw because they have no freaking clue what is going on. When the hell is someone going to let him do what he's actually good at?

He's already proved he can be successful with it when a team half asses it. He has earned it.

 

[Jackson 2]

Yes there is anti-Christian bigotry and you know it. You are absolutely ridiculous. You equate Tebow to mobsters and in the next sentence say you didnt. You remind me a lot of Adolf Hitler. And no I'm not equating you with Hitler.

There is anti-every religion bigotry. No one compared Tebow to mobsters. Adolf Hitler? If you make that comparison to someone who posts on a freakin' football message board in the United States in 2012, it tells me you have absolutely no sense of history nor any idea what you're writing about. "I've Killed People" and you're preaching to people about tolerance. "You remind me of Adolf Hitler" and then "no, I'm not equating you with Hitler"? Calm down, zealot...

 

[PatriotSeven]

I always found it fascinating how Tim Tebow conversations always seem to deteriorate to these touchy topics. It's politics+religion+football all rolled up into one. It makes everyone just wanna say really crazy things. Like saying it's Adolf Hitler sleeping with Mother Theresa. It's like Jesus pimping Kim Kardashian for crack. It's Michael Jackson starting a kindergarten in Afghanistan. It's George Bush having dinner with Osama Bin Laden...wait...that one actually happened. Anyway, you get the idea. People just can't help but go there. I think soon he will become a taboo in public conversations. That who shall not be named. One thing you can say, he truly is polarizing.

 

[eagle eye]

Tebow haters out in full force I see. This report quotes 'unnamed sources'. Mediots tend to pull these unnamed sources out of their ass when it suits.

Team says it was a coaches decision.

 

[manxman2601]

Bigotry? Do tell..

Whenever Tebow critics are out in force there are always veiled references to his religiosity. You yourself mentioned his anti-abortion advert in a derogatory way. What does any of this have to do with him as a Jet?

Let's say there was a divisive player that was oft discussed like Tebow that happened to be gay. If his critics constantly referenced his sexuality whilst supposedly discussing his footballing skills, wouldn't they be called bigots? There's no difference.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Whenever Tebow critics are out in force there are always veiled references to his religiosity. You yourself mentioned his anti-abortion advert in a derogatory way. What does any of this have to do with him as a Jet?

Let's say there was a divisive player that was oft discussed like Tebow that happened to be gay. If his critics constantly referenced his sexuality whilst supposedly discussing his footballing skills, wouldn't they be called bigots? There's no difference.

There is no doubt there are some who are predisposed to be critical of Tebow for the way he puts his faith into the public discussion. I would disagree, though, that it is solely about his faith as a trait. Most NFL players are Christians. Many are evangelical. They are not judged on that ground. It is the packaging of Tebow, including his faith, that annoys people. As is the fact that some are all too eager to overlook his obvious shortcomings for no apparent reason than his faith and the way he expresses it.

But more fundamentally, Tim Tebow gets more football attention than his play on the football field to date has deserved. Why? If it is because of his faith -- a not-unreasonable hypothesis -- it does not make a person a bigot to note or be annoyed by that fact. It is fine to cover his faith as its own story, but it is not a football story.

To use your example, if a gay player received undue plaudits as a player not commensurate with his play, skills or stats, it would not make a person a "bigot" to observe his sexual orientation was likely or plausibly the reason.

On a completely unrelated note, add me to the list that discounts anything that a poster who chooses to call himself "Ive Killed People" might say about anything, especially matters of morality. Sorry, dude, but your name is horrible, especially given recent events. I hope it's just immaturity or a moment of bad judgment when picking a name and not something worse, but it really is awful. Just my two cents.

 

[robbomango]

A lot of football players wear their religious beliefs on their sleeves and openly thank the lord in interviews or elsewhere. I see football players praying and thanking god before, during and after most games. Not sure why Tebow gets called out so much.

Reggie White "The Minister of Defense" was a very active ordained evangelical minister.

RG III is openly Christian, praying on one knee after every TD and every time he takes the field just about.

Unless anyone can link Tebow's throwing mechanics to his Christianity there's no use bringing it up IMO.

 

[robbomango]

Most NFL players are Christians. Many are evangelical. They are not judged on that ground. It is the packaging of Tebow, including his faith, that annoys people.

Tebow's faith comes 1st as it does with most Christians, he lives to promote his faith and that annoys people I guess, oh well.

As is the fact that some are all too eager to overlook his obvious shortcomings for no apparent reason than his faith and the way he expresses it.

he was a gifted athlete and had a great college career which propelled him into a 1st round draft pick. he has short comings I agree but how is that overlooked by his faith?

Tim Tebow gets more football attention than his play on the football field to date has deserved. Why? If it is because of his faith -- a not-unreasonable hypothesis -- it does not make a person a bigot to note or be annoyed by that fact. It is fine to cover his faith as its own story, but it is not a football story.

Tebow won games last year and took a losing team to a division title and second round of the playoffs. The media doesn't care how the games were won they just want to hype a story and generate exposure. Tebowmania is a good football story about a Christian athlete, it's not the 1st one either.

 

[Ivan]

I think the dynamic at play here is just the opposite, it isn't those knocking Tebow who have to invoke his religiousity, they can simply cite the fact that he is a lousy QB to support their argument. it is the people who are Tebow supporters largely because of his religiousity who wish to claim that the "haters" only take that position because of his faith, when in truth the poster who claimed "many players are openly religious and don't get called out on it" (paraphrased) was right, and the reason they don't get called out on it is because they perform at their positions at an NFL caliber level and don't have to look to their faith to get support for their playing time.

I think Tebow is a good guy and a good football player, just not a QB in the NFL. If some OC can come along and construct an offense he can succeed in for an extended period of time I will be happy to change my opinion on that but need to see it to believe it, I believe he is better suited to H-Back or the CFL. I think Ryan has had his hands tied here, and I'm no apologist for Rexy. He has had an entire season to evaluate Tebow and imo there was simply no way he could watch Tebow in practice and then put him in to play QB without his entire team wondering what the hell is is doing and thinking, and giving them all the message that it doesn't matter how much you suck in practice if your are popular with the public and media. i think he had no choice but to go with Macelroy as his next up or the team would have seen him as caving to public pressure over giving them the best chance to win. The inability to win playing time is all on Tebow, not on Ryan, who I believe withstood pressure from Tannenbaum and Johnson and made the right decision for the team. for tebow to want out on Tuesday and then go back friday and say "I'm all in coach" is ridiculous, and any coach would have done just what Ryan did, and most would have been far harsher, Belichick certainly would have despite his man love for Tebow.

Tebow will get another shot, and once again it is going to be all on him to win playing time and succeed, and his supporters should realize that no coach refuses to play a christian who wins the time, they play them at every position in every quarter of every game year in and year out, and they are not singling Tebow out to sit because of his faith but because he simply doesn't have the accuracy to play QB in the NFL.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Tebow's faith comes 1st as it does with most Christians, he lives to promote his faith and that annoys people I guess, oh well.



he was a gifted athlete and had a great college career which propelled him into a 1st round draft pick. he has short comings I agree but how is that overlooked by his faith?



Tebow won games last year and took a losing team to a division title and second round of the playoffs. The media doesn't care how the games were won they just want to hype a story and generate exposure. Tebowmania is a good football story about a Christian athlete, it's not the 1st one either.

Tim Tebow gets more FOOTBALL discussion than his performance deserves. That's not debatable. The only people who might be inclined to debate it just don't want to see it and probably never will.

The question why is an interesting one that reasonable people can reasonably debate. I think it is a combination of factors but the primary ones seem obvious to me. As are the reasons people not a fan of his team quickly rise to his defense, and why others are quicker to criticize him.

The thing that is funny to me is that both sides don't understand they are mirror images.

 

[Boston Boxer]

Belichick would have suspended Tebow for conduct detrimental to the team. Ryan probably made Tebow a captain for the Chargers' game.

Belichick would have never traded for him in the first place...and if he did, BB would have used him appropriately

 

[fnordcircle]

I'm a big Tebow fan but this isn't what you do if you are being a good teammate.

But, on the flip side, he was the model teammate until they passed him over. Everyone has flaws or can get emotional.

If you worked for some ****hole company and they had a ****ty manager and then they demoted him and then promoted someone else ahead of you who didn't have your history of having actually performed well you would be pissed too.

People tend to equate player contracts with slave labor or something. I guarantee you if he could get out of his contract today he would so I think the comments about signing a paycheck are offbase.

The Jets traded for him when his value was something and then they wasted a year of his career with a lot of BS. Anyone would be infuriated when, after patiently supporting Sanchez, it was time for another starter and they didn't give you the nod.

Some of you sure seem excited to say 'look at how the holy guy is being a horrible teammate!' I'm not a Christian but I'll never understand this burning need non-Christians have to see Christians fail or look bad.