Bedard: Aqib Talib trade signals change in Patriots philosophy

[Jangles]

Really, what's his username?

this x1000

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Bedard:Aqib Talib trade signals change in Patriots philosophy

I quite enjoy Bedard's work but, IMO, that was a poor article and not representative of his journalistic ability.

 

[shmessy]

The conscience of the team is gone. Myra Kraft is gone; the franchise lives on and re-invents itself.

Be serious! Signing Dennard and Talib is much more like the raiders or bengals than like the patriots.

Ironic you mention that the 2012 Patriots are looking much more like Riaders or Bengals.

Did you never hear of former Bengal Corey Dillon or former Raider Randy Moss?

Myra Kraft did.

Don't try to rewrite history.

 

[ahmed]

Am I the only one who thinks it's the NFL's job as a whole to decide the kind of players they want to employ? If they're willing to employ people with less than great character and if the Patriots think they can be useful and are strong enough of an organization to handle their issues, then I am all for it.

 

[shmessy]

Awful article. He decided to tell people what they think then tell them they are wrong.
There is an agenda behind this. I don't know what, but this is written like he is personally offended by someone.

I know his agenda:

"I miss Wisconsin and I want to go home!!!!!!!!" I can't blame him - - the Packers ARE a great story and it is refreshing to see a team that is owned by the community. No arguments there.

However, HE made the decision to move. If he has misgivings it's on him. This article has much that is very on target. There is much to be weary of with young Mr. Talib. This column, however, is written like a jilted lover who is stuck for a couple of years living in a bus station. He's upset. But he's upset about more than Talib.

He's a very good football analyst, however he is evidently EXCEPTIONALLY ignorant of Patriot history (particularly that since Bob Kraft bought the team). Incredibly, he thinks the Patriots have never before gone after troubled players. That's a "FAIL", Greg.

Perhaps someone should educate him about players named Megget, Merriwether, Moss and Dillon amongst others.

 

[Danger Zone]

I know his agenda:

"I miss Wisconsin and I want to go home!!!!!!!!"

I have to admit, when I read his article I had the thought that this was big finger to Boston and NE.

It reads like someone butt-hurt and/or trying to burn a bridge.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I know his agenda:

"I miss Wisconsin and I want to go home!!!!!!!!" I can't blame him - - the Packers ARE a great story and it is refreshing to see a team that is owned by the community. No arguments there.

However, HE made the decision to move. If he has misgivings it's on him. This article has much that is very on target. There is much to be weary of with young Mr. Talib. This column, however, is written like a jilted lover who is stuck for a couple of years living in a bus station. He's upset. But he's upset about more than Talib.

He's a very good football analyst, however he is evidently EXCEPTIONALLY ignorant of Patriot history (particularly that since Bob Kraft bought the team). Incredibly, he thinks the Patriots have never before gone after troubled players. That's a "FAIL", Greg.

Perhaps someone should educate him about players named Megget, Merriwether, Moss and Dillon amongst others.

Bedard is a Lincoln-Sudbury HS graduate.

- Staff list - The Boston Globe

I think he probably has a good sense of Pats history.

 

[shmessy]

I have to admit, when I read his article I had the thought that this was big finger to Boston and NE.

It reads like someone butt-hurt and/or trying to burn a bridge.

I wish him well. he's an excellent football analyst and I learn alot from reading him.

However, it's pretty obvious that he misses the Packers beat tremendously and doesn't like the NE "culture".

I can't fault him for that. The Green Bay story of a franchise that is owned by its community is a wonderful one. The team is a great organization.

However, he becomes less of a journalist when he publishes this kind of flow of emotional thought. He's much better when he analyzes football (and he may want to study at least a modicum of the history of a team that he is being paid to cover before he opines on its history).

 

[shmessy]

Bedard is a Lincoln-Sudbury HS graduate.

- Staff list - The Boston Globe

I think he probably has a good sense of Pats history.

This column today certainly hides it well.

Being from NE doesn't guarantee knowledge of Patriots history or the need to knock the NE fan mentality like a vegan at a pig roast.

See; Massorotti, Tony

 

[FCB02062]

Bedard is trying to be the guy ahead of the curve....if talib fails he can thump his chest, if he plays well he can say "I never said he wasn't a good player."

 

[Ring 6]

This column today certainly hides it well.

Being from NE doesn't guarantee knowledge of Patriots history or the need to knock the NE fan mentality like a vegan at a pig roast.

See; Massorotti, Tony

I don't think it's that. I think there is some kind of agenda. My guess is that someone Bedard liked and got close to was cut and he didn't like it, or there is someone in the organization that he doesn't like, perhaps BB.
Criticizing the move is fine. Creating an image of the organization that it doesn't profess just to take a decision that is criticizable and make it sound duplicitous, backhanded or an example of the team selling a bill of goods to the fans that it puts character first is just wrong.
When you have to create the story to write the story you should now something is amiss.

 

[jnug]

I read the article and I really don't understand what the author is trying to accomplish. In the first place I am not at all sure it is the Patriots themselves that attempt to create some holier than thou aura around the organization as it is the very media hounds that are the author's brothers in the trade.

So what was that article other than a bunch of words strung together. Did it provide us with anything that we did not already know:
- The Patriots will do whatever it takes to get to a SB. Wow now there is a revelation for ya'
- They have not drafted well at CB. Well we have been bantering continually here about whether their problems at CB are talent or coaching. I had commented before that I lean toward talent so once again as to not drafting particularly well at CB..."no **** Sherlock"

So the only thing I took from the article is the possibility that there is an underlying issue that the author has with the Patriots or BB or the Krafts or somebody. I am likely to take anything I read from him in the future regarding the Pats with a grain of salt.

 

[DaBruinz]

As you might recall, there was lots of discussion of the double standard applied to stars like Ty Law, a double-stand I strongly agree with. When one of your stars has an issue, that is one thing. When you use draft picks in order to secure a player with known character issues, that is quite another.

In the end, I get it. We are desperate. We were desperate when we drafted Meriweather. We were desperate when we drafted Dennard (who plays based on a second court decision delaying his trial). We are desperate now.

There is nothing inherently wrong with winning at all costs. There is nothing inherently wrong with having the philosophy of judging and choosing player only on their Sunday performance, and ignoring the rest. There are teams that succeeded with that approach for years.

IMHO, the patriots have taken a different approach in the past. I'm fine with the change; I get it. I am even fine with posters jumping all over the raiders, bengals and lions when they make similar decisions. After all, for us, it is patriots right or wrong.

The Pasts weren't desperate when they drafted Meriweather in the 1st round. Nor were they desperate when they drafted Dennard in the 7th round. 7th round picks have flaws. The charge against Dennard was "suspicion of assaulting a police officer". Suspicion of assaulting a police officer? In other words, they don't really know if he did or not but they felt the need to charge him because he was involved in the bar fight that they responded to. What I find interesting is that it supposedly took 4 cops to take Dennard into custody, but there was no charge of resisting arrest filed against him. He'll be put on probation, imho.

The whole premise that the Pats are in a "Win at all costs" mode is BS just from the standpoint that they aren't throwing money around left and right to bring in NAME players. Making a trade for Talib by sending a 4th and getting a 7th back isn't a sign of "win at all costs". It's a sign of an astute GM adding a piece that could put the team over the top.

Moves that would be "win at all costs" would be bringing in guys like Terrell Owens and Richie Incognito.

Bedard doesn't know or doesn't understand what the "Patriot Way" has been. He needs to be reminded about the likes of Willie Andrews (cut when he got arrested twice in the off-season, once for brandishing a gun), Danny Baugher (cut when he was arrested after a fight with his father), and Kenyatta Jones (cut when he through boiling water on his roommate).

He needs to be reminded that Corey Dillon kept his nose clean while with the Pats. So did Moss until his 3rd year.

 

[mgteich]

You mean like Ochocinco and Haynsworth?

Moves that would be "win at all costs" would be bringing in guys like Terrell Owens and Richie Incognito.

 

[DaBruinz]

The Patriots will not have any contact with Talib until after the bye week, after the Buffalo game. So there's not an opportunity to work him into this defense. This isn't like trading for a lead-off hitter or relief pitcher - dramatically harder to just pencil him into the line-up. Got to be a focus on the play-offs.

It was just Florio's speculation and unsubstantiated claims (parroted by Bedard) that the Pats won't have any contact with Talib until after the Buffalo game. Fact is that the Pats have to give Talib a physical before the deal can be 100% official. They can give him a playbook at that time.

What I find interesting is that the Pats have not made a statement about the availability of Talib. And that is something that they would normally do, though I've noticed they've not had a press conference since Thursday before the trade.

 

[DaBruinz]

You mean like Ochocinco and Haynsworth?

And Ochocinco was such a distraction. I mean, he got suspended how many times with the Pats?? Oh wait. That's right. He didn't..

Haynesworth was another one. A low risk move. Especially since the Pats weren't responsible for his signing bonus.

BTW, since you and Bedard missed it, could you please tell me all the "bad apples" they brought in this year? I mean the list must be LONG to be able to support this idea of "Win at all costs" idea...

 

[VrabelJr]

Can we please stop posting headlines from Bedard and Breer on here? We know they're haters.

 

[TriplecHamp]

The conscience of the team is gone. Myra Kraft is gone; the franchise lives on and re-invents itself.

Be serious! Signing Dennard and Talib is much more like the raiders or bengals than like the patriots.

Whats funny is that these two are potentially the best cover corners we've had since Assante left.

 

[SVN]

Really, what's his username?

New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard - View Profile: Greg A. Bedard

 

[andrewgarrr]

I'm disappointed...