Levin: Tom Brady proves once again why he is the BEST....

[Fixit]

For starters, how about 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives? Manning has more.

Ooooookay. Manning has 36/47; Brady has 25/36. Note: Manning has played 47 more games. My question to you is:

Who gives a damn?

Brady's winning % is over a hundred points higher. He's played 47 less games than Manning, but he's only 16 wins behind. Brady's penalized because he keeps his team in the lead at a far better rate than Manning? And Manning is somehow a better QB because he's pulled more wins out after trailing at some point in the 4th quarter?

4th-quarter comebacks are a useless stat. Always have been, always will be. But your argument is so weak you have to use it.

 

[Danger Zone]

For starters, how about 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives? Manning has more.

Seriously? Moss is way more a receiving talent than Harrison ever was, and is perfect for a good QB to pad his stats with because he's a deep threat with speed and height.

You had my benefit of the doubt until now. More the fool me.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

OK, I was willing to give the visitor the benefit of the doubt,

but when I point out that the sky is blue (while providing the exact wavelength maximum in the visible spectrum) and he insists that the sky is instead a brilliant green and red plaid,

it is time to join others who have abandoned this quest and put this thread on ignore, leaving trolls to pursue their trollish aims in (from my perspective) a blanket of blissful silence.

 

[robbomango]

I don't know if it's been pointed out all ready but as BB mentioned Manning is playing in the colts offense with a few X colts also yet somehow he escapes the system QB label.

Ignorance is bliss...

 

[VJCPatriot]

Seriously? Moss is way more a receiving talent than Harrison ever was, and is perfect for a good QB to pad his stats with because he's a deep threat with speed and height.

LOL are you serious? Brady had Moss for only 3 productive seasons. Manning had Harrison and Wayne for nearly his entire career. Big difference.

Let's talk facts. Moss played with the Pats from 2007 to 2010, his productive seasons were 2007-2009 where he had 1,000 plus yards each season.
Randy Moss NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Peyton had Marvin Harrison from 1998 to 2008. Harrison had 1,000 yard plus seasons in 8 of thos years.
Marvin Harrison NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Peyton also had Reggie Wayne 2001 to 2010. Wayne had 1,000 yard plus seasons in 7 of those years.
Reggie Wayne NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

And that's without even throwing Dallas Clark into the discussion.

Manning had better weapons for a far greater portion of his career than Brady.

Brady did more with less weapons than Manning.

Again the facts disprove your argument. Please remove head from sand. ;-)

 

[Bhelmet]

Again the facts disprove your argument. Please remove head from sand. ;-)

Wow - I was expecting butt over sand - you are being nicer than most.

 

[Fixit]

LOL are you serious? Brady had Moss for only 3 productive seasons.

2 seasons. Brady missed 2008.

 

[patsfan13]

I have to disagree. The ultimate gauge of how good a QB is not by the # of superbowl appearances or wins. Remember, every Patriots superbowl team had a very good, if not great defense.

You can insert Peyton Manning into a completely different team, and they will still have a potent passing attack (as you're seeing in Denver). I'm not quite sure you can say the same thing about Brady.

Brady has by far the highest winning % of any QB of the Sb era this has persisted while the roster has completely turned over.

 

[RodThePat]

Seriously? Moss is way more a receiving talent than Harrison ever was, and is perfect for a good QB to pad his stats with because he's a deep threat with speed and height.

This post right here shows you are clueless. And the "Brady always had a defense" argument is dumb. In his lone SuperBowl victory, Manning threw 7 INTs and 3 TDs during the postseason. It was, statistically, the worst postseason EVER by a SB winning quarterback. Worse than Trent Dilfer, worse than Brad Johnson. So, Peyton's championship was won on the back of the Colts defense, in a manner which the Patriots defense never had to do for Brady.

Manning played with Wayne, Harrison, Clark, Edgerrin James, Marshall Faulk, had multiple time Pro-Bowlers on the offensive line in Glenn and Saturday and etc. He had WAY more continuity than Brady ever had. Tom had to deal with new personnel on offense pretty much every year. He reached a SuperBowl with Patten and Brown as his primary WRs, two others with Givens and Branch, got to the AFCCG with Gaffney/Caldwell and went back to the SuperBowl with Moss and Welker. In that 7 year period he had about 4 different duos of primary receivers. Do you know who were the Colts' starting WRs throughout that same span? Wayne and Harrison. Oh, and both guys will be Hall of Famers, too, by the way.

 

[RodThePat]

I also find it hilarious how Brady is the one considered the "system quarterback", when the first thing Manning does when arriving in Denver is bringing the Colts system along with him.

 

[VJCPatriot]

2 seasons. Brady missed 2008.

Wow, you're right. Thanks for pointing out that big factoid. Brady only 'padded his stats' for 2 seasons worth of Moss production while Manning 'padded his stats' with 15 seasons worth of pro bowl level production from Harrison and Wayne.

 

[RodThePat]

Wow, you're right. Thanks for pointing out that big factoid. Brady only 'padded his stats' for 2 seasons worth of Moss production while Manning 'padded his stats' with 15 seasons worth of pro bowl level production from Harrison and Wayne.

What are you talking about dude? You are telling me you wouldn't take 2 years of Moss/Welker/Watson/Maroney over 10 years of Harrison/Wayne/Clark (Pollard)/James (Faulk)?

Really, to say Brady has been blessed with more weapons is completely stupid. And don't even start with the "but those guys would be JAGs if not for Manning throwing them the ball", because Wayne is on pace for 2000 receiving yards with a rookie at QB.

 

[zeroakuma]

I have to disagree. The ultimate gauge of how good a QB is not by the # of superbowl appearances or wins. Remember, every Patriots superbowl team had a very good, if not great defense.

You can insert Peyton Manning into a completely different team, and they will still have a potent passing attack (as you're seeing in Denver). I'm not quite sure you can say the same thing about Brady.

You should be f'ing banned. Ban your damn account and block your IP address.
Peyton could not go anywhere with a tailor made offense; it took a Caldwell drop for Manning to have a chance to beat the Pats in 06.

A F'ING WIDE OPEN CALDWELL WITH HIS BULGING EYEBALLS DROPPED the ball which was in his chest and hands.....

Even with the pathetic receivers that Brady had for that year, he would have made minced meat out of the Chicago Bears who had Rex Grossman at QB.

Brady beat the overrated Chargers and already owned the match ups with the bears - ehhh.....GET THE F OUT!

 

[Fencer]

A few thoughts:

• Team success is very indicative, but it's not absolute proof.
• Brady has excelled in the hurry-up offense for his entire career.
• Otherwise, the system he has played in has changed a lot -- swing passes, deep balls, center of the field, etc. He's had great success in a variety of schemes.
• There ARE physically superior QBs to Brady. There always seem to be a few who truly are more accurate with the deep ball, and there are many who are more of a rushing threat.
• Leadership intangibles matter a lot at QB. Brady seems to be the greatest at those in his generation or any other recent generation, or else close. (I wouldn't want to compare to the era of Lombardi and Unitas.) Manning, in that respect, is very good, but falls a little short of Brady and, I presume, Montana.
• Brady is one the greatest ever at on-field decision-making. The same is true of Manning, in a somewhat different way.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

I love this team and this QB...going to suck when it ends..but enjoy it while we can!

 

[ausbacker]

I have to disagree. The ultimate gauge of how good a QB is not by the # of superbowl appearances or wins. Remember, every Patriots superbowl team had a very good, if not great defense.

You can insert Peyton Manning into a completely different team, and they will still have a potent passing attack (as you're seeing in Denver). I'm not quite sure you can say the same thing about Brady.

As dumb posts go, this is up there with the trade Wes Welker threads.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

As dumb posts go, this is up there with the trade Wes Welker threads.

He is a fan of a team that has had garbage QBs most of the time. He doesn't understand greatness at the position.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

He is a fan of a team that has had garbage QBs most of the time. He doesn't understand greatness at the position.

And his team's current garbage QB really looks up to Manning too!

 

[RodThePat]

And his team's current garbage QB really looks up to Manning too!

Christ he's short! That's kind of staggering, really. How many balls would JJ Watt bat down if Wilson were to face Houston?

 

[TruthSeeker]

I meant their championship teams. I wasn't thinking at all about 07 or 11 when I said that.

There difference between their championship and non-championship Super Bowl teams are extremely small - one play one way of the other in at least 4 of these 5 games spelled the difference between victory or defeat.

In other words, the result may have been hugely different, but the potential result for these teams was decided by a very thin line.

Additionally, it's already been pointed out to you that they were 24th in defense (yards allowed) in one of these years when you call their defense "great or very good".

Most importantly, when these discrepancies are brought to your attention, you make no effort to adjust your opinion but rather ignore or defend your initial logic. This is not an example of a person being "unbiased".