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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.2 crimes for the Saints this year...the bounty and paying a QB ridiculous money.
They should save some of that for defense....the Saints are looking like the mid
2000s Colts who paid the price of losing talent by overpaying on 1 QB.
By "they should," do you mean that in their place you would have let Brees walk? Because as far as I can tell, that's the only other option. Brees & his agent have played ultra hardball with this contract, and this was the money that it took to get the deal done.
IMO it's very hard to argue that Brees isn't worth the money. The difference between an elite QB and an average one is absolutely huge for the whole franchise. An elite QB is a virtual guarantee of a winning season every single year. He's a guarantee of a full stadium and a waiting list. He's a guarantee of your team being a national attraction every week. Etc.
Of course, the ideal situation is to have an elite QB and financial flexibility to keep your other star players. But if a Drew Brees decides he wants every last penny, he has to get it.
If we thought Brady's future cap hit was going to be problematic good luck to the Saints.
Perhaps Welker should *****, moan and complain like Brees.
He did do all of the above, but at the end of the day only elite QB's have this level of leverage and this was NO's own doing. Had they stepped up and done a deal with him last season for something north of $19M, having another year to mitigate the amortization of his signing bonus would have dramatically helped the cap flexibility of this deal for it's duration. But they were too comfortable with him finishing out that $10M AAV deal to feel the pressure they felt today coming on. Now they'll find themselves in the same position Polian kept finding himself in for a decade with Manning... They'll end up having to add a couple of phony years on the end of this deal down the road, at the cost of more guaranteed money, one of which he won't see while they absorb a final year of dead cap after he's gone like Indy is with an inexpensive 1st round rookie (or sophomore developmental QB or some journeyman) starting on top of Manning's $10M of dead cap.
Andrew Brandt has posted his detailed assessment of the contract. He too says they will have to revisit it in 3 years because of those backend cap hits...
Breaking down Drew Brees' deal - NFC South Blog - ESPN
I think the total value of the deal is fair. When I did the QB evaluation a few months back I knew he would have to earn more than Manning because statistically he is better than both Manning and Brady (Brady is better than Manning too who is overpaid for what he gave to Indy at the end).
Yeah, irrespective of the fact that Manning was a dome QB he's been a better player for longer than Brees. Brady on the other hand, is an all weather Quarterback and is better than the both of them. The thing about Manning and Brady is they are historically proven playoff Quarterbacks.I had to stop right there, given such a big error in your second sentence.
Last 2 seasons, non-compiler stats...
QB rating:
Brady - 108.0
Brees - 100.7
Completion %:
Brady - 65.7
Brees - 69.7
TD%
Brady - 6.8
Brees -6.0
INT%
Brady - 1.5
Brees - 2.7
Yards/attempt:
Brady - 8.3
Brees - 7.7
maybe he meant just last year...then Brees IS statistically better than Brady by a small margin...of course Rodgers blows the two of them , and everyone else, away as far as QB rating goes, but Brees did lead the lead in passing yardage...here's the link anyway
2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN
if he means that Brees IS statistically better than Brady or Manning career wise, well....I'd take issue with THAT stance.
Hes clearly not better career wise, but when looking at a contract that rarely comes into play. Its mainly the "what have you done for me lately" that matters. Anyway this was my old matrix I used a few months back on the valuation of the QBs based on 3 year averages across a few all inclusive metrics to put a fair price on the QBs.
NFL Value Pricing of Quarterbacks
On the dome vs outside argument when it comes to a contract it means almost nothing. Brees plays in a dome and is signed by a team that plays in a dome. Its his worth to the dome team that justifies the contract, not his relative value to a team in the northeast that has to play outside. Denver should be concerned with that when it comes to Manning, but its a non-factor for New Orleans who play at least 9 games a year in a dome.
Vick got 100m deal as well. And he's not as good as Brees. It's pretty much who do you replace Brees with if you're the Saints? Nobody better in the pipeline. Brees' guaranteed money is what makes this deal especially good for him. What can I say, congrats, and enjoy spending the coin. Brees has earned the big payoff.
Not going to get into the Brady vs Brees debate. But they are both elite QBs and this makes you appreciate all the more what a great deal the Pats got. Signing Brady early before Manning and Brees deals got done was a smart long term investment.
Hopefully the Gronkowski deal will also be remembered as another shrewd move to lock up a franchise player long term.