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I would be surprised if that didn't happen. That youtube stuff only adds to his troubles. It makes me wonder if more stuff is going to come out. :eek:
The question needs to be asked, why are these recordings being released? What does it achieve? Sometimes leaving things in the dark where they belong is the best option. Deal out the punishment and move on.

Nothing will be accomplished by releasing audio recordings to the public other than to to be shocked by the content and truths some people don't wish to face.

For the record, I don't believe all teams go out with the intent to injure others, but I'm not sure dissimilar approaches are taken by other teams in the NFL when targeting opposition players.

People blur the lines when winning becomes everything.
 
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When are they going to realize that Williams got his start coordinating under Jeff Fisher. Fisher's Titans were notoriously dirty even after Williams left (anyone remember him laughing when Rodney got taken out?) and Fisher knew what Williams was all about and the allegations against him, yet decided to hire Williams again anyway. All this from the Co-Chair of the NFL Competition Committee. Shouldn't be to hard to connect the dots.
 
The documentary film maker who released the audio of what he filmed has tweeted that anyone who wants to know why he did so should read his blog. It's long piece and a little rambling and there is some heavy rationalization but basically he said he did so because he loves the game but also cares about football players and what we now know is increasingly happening to so many of them as they reach mid life and ever earlier. I guess you could say like a lot of fans, he's conflicted.

Tru Dat The United States of Football
 
I find it shockingly offensive that anyone's actually defending this vile, criminal scum.

Nobody's saying this is unprecedented.

But to defend it on that basis is contemptible.

There is precedent for Murder, Rape, Infanticide, and Genocide.

Does that reality make any of those Crimes any less unspeakable??

FootBall is a violent Sport.

And the Violence is an integral part of its appeal ~ all honest men will take a bite of that Pie.

FootBall, in fact, is War...channeled in an hopefully constructive and entertaining way.

The Risk, consequently...is very real.

All FootBall players are Gladiators...and they take a Gladiator's Chance.

They accept that.

We...accept that.

And a clean, solid, legal and honorable Hit can and oft will cause damage, sometimes irreparable damage.

But when Williams specifically commanded his players to assault men's heads ~ to target their heads ~ and, indeed, to specifically incite them to injure and maim...he crossed over the line ~ nay, he LEAPED over the line ~ from Warrior...to Criminal.

He shouldn't be simply banned.

He should be imprisoned.
 
I get the outrage and this guy should probably be banned for life. Seriously, what an arrogant jacka** he is, saying this stuff after the league has warned them multiple times and he (I assume) knows it's being recorded. He and Jeff Fisher are definitely cut from the same cloth.

That being said, the righteous indignation should probably be ratcheted down a bit, as we really don't know how pervasive this kind of this is and has been around the league. (I personally think that Williams went completely rogue but have no way of knowing).

Although I would bet that Belichick never put an injury bounty on anyone, I would love to hear a recording of his SB36 pregame instructions on Marshall Faulk.
 
Although I would bet that Belichick never put an injury bounty on anyone, I would love to hear a recording of his SB36 pregame instructions on Marshall Faulk.

better yet...his instructions on Warner in the pocket...he got his bell rung so hard he has no memory of the third quarter...
 
Thats a shocking tape, but kind of interesting it came out now, and well edited.

I think maybe 60% of what he said was dirty. Hit players on the ground in the head, in a pile on the head, people with concussions early. Cause ACL damage, bend their knees in the pile before they get up. Most of what he said shouldn't be aloud. Completely agree GW should never coach again. Coaching players to intentionally maim borders on evil. I mean its just a game.

But I think this is allot more common than most fans want to believe. I wouldn't be surprised if half of the NFL DC are saying the same stupid things. Might be higher.

1.11: Bill Romanowski calls Saints-49ers 'stretcher game' *COURTESY 95.7 THE GAME*

San Francisco 49ers Tried to “Take Out” New York Giants’ Eli Manning in NFC Championship Game | Giants 101 | Sports Media 101

New Orleans Saints and Bountygate: The Hypocrisy of the NFL | Bleacher Report
That program had Hardy Brown, a linebacker best known for playing with the 49ers, on it at No. 5.

In that show, Brown talked very openly about the Los Angeles Rams putting a bounty on him while he was playing. He said, "The Rams had a $500 deal for my getting knocked out of the game." He would later go on to add, "The guy that told me was Paul Barry (of the Rams). I said, 'Paul, hit me and I'll fake it, and we'll split it, $250 apiece.' "

The list goes on and on and on. Doubly troubling is I think Goodell knew it was going on.
I think the NFL and Goodell only stopped it as a business decision because of legal suites by players.
I learn later that 50,000 page document they speak of is not a document, but the emails they took from the Saints, maybe only 10 has power point slides and damaging text. So Goodell is kind of playing a shell game. Fining the Saints and not doing a league wide investigation probably won't stop this because their are many more idiot scum bag DC where GW came from.

From what Ive looked up over these weeks the Rams, SF, Falcons, and Bills are doing the same. It needs to be stopped and not by some half hearted measure.
 
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Players have been trying to injure their opponents since before Pacino knew how to scream, they know of their specific injuries and try their best to exploit them.

All Williams did was speak the unspoken truth, and for that crime he'll be destroyed.


The difference is, this guy was specifically calling for career-ruining--and possibly life-ruining--injuries and was paying people to do it. That's being a thug or a hitman, plain and simple. Payton should absolutely sit out a year and Gregg should be out of the NFL for good. And, any players injured by these idiots should be mobilizing their lawyers.
 
The difference is, this guy was specifically calling for career-ruining--and possibly life-ruining--injuries and was paying people to do it. That's being a thug or a hitman, plain and simple. Payton should absolutely sit out a year and Gregg should be out of the NFL for good. And, any players injured by these idiots should be mobilizing their lawyers.

Was a hit, that injured a player, dirty? If a hit was dirty I think the book should be thrown at the player and likewise to a coach who instructs their players to commit dirty hits.

In Criminal Law 101 you'll hear about there are 2 components to a crime: the guilty act and the guilty intention, and how you need both of them in order to have an actual crime. Williams obviously spoke of the result he wanted (players injured) but unless he's advocating dirty hits to accomplish this is vastly overblown.

Suppose you had Williams saying what he did but all the Saints defenders making clean tackles then I see little to complain about, the players are acting in accordance with the rules.

OTOH, suppose a coach doesnt say anything but his players do a bunch of dirty things which leaves others injured, I see a really big problem there.

That said, it makes me cringe when I routinely see dirty plays that the refs don't call. The total amount of damage the other 31 teams might inflict will dwarf what the Saints will do, even with Williams as a coach, but you don't hear about the league talking about how it's going to tighten up on officiating to further protect the players, it's all about roasting the Saints.

I don't respect that and I think the hyper-focus on the Saints actually blinds us to the much bigger problem. I never heard BB instruct the Patriots to injure players but I still cringed and was embarrassed when Merriweather launched himself, head first, into Todd Head. I thought he should have been ejected from the game and if we lost as a result of him not being able to play I would have been fine with it.

Unfortunately the incidents like that, which take place routinely, get overshadowed. Stalin was right, 1 death is a tragedy but a million is a statistic, in this case the Saints are the "tragedy" and all the other stuff will be overlooked. I believe that one should clean their own backyard before criticizing others about their yard. So, while I continue to see nasty plays which have severe risk of maiming players go uncalled, and also see the NFL do their best to sell DVDs which feature plenty of hits which doubtlessly injured players, I'll be rather unimpressed.

To me it reeks of hypocricy, and a rather transparent attempt to avoid any kind of government attention by showing how hard their going to bring the hammer down on Williams but sending very mixed messages on what's going to be allowed on the field via the officiating.
 
alot on the saints board are defending williams over this audio

what a bunch of ******s
 
alot on the saints board are defending williams over this audio

what a bunch of ******s

Thats not true. read for your self. Creating something that doesn't exist serves no purpose. Very little are defending GW or that we don't need to be fined.

G. Williams Audio - Wow...
 
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Thats not true. read for your self. Creating something that doesn't exist serves no purpose. Very little are defending GW or that we don't need to be fined.

G. Williams Audio - Wow...

i was talking about the saintsreport forum, that must be the ******ed one


sorry
 
i was talking about the saintsreport forum, that must be the ******ed one


sorry

saintsreport is full of new comers and bandwagon fans. blackandgold is where a lot of the old time fans talk, and don't be sorry. I apologize theres no way you could know.
 
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Thats not true. read for your self. Creating something that doesn't exist serves no purpose. Very little are defending GW or that we don't need to be fined.

G. Williams Audio - Wow...
What about people who have an avatar which is a bounty hunter? Any of those with such poor taste over there? :bricks:
 
What about people who have an avatar which is a bounty hunter? Any of those with such poor taste over there? :bricks:

Im using it as a mark against us, not a thing to be proud of. I never change my avatar. Seems the right thing to do. Im not proud of it. If my team is wrong I have to carry that shame, seemed appropriate .
 
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Im using it as a mark against us, not a thing to be proud of. I never change my avatar. Seems the right thing to do. Im not proud of it. If my ten is wrong I have to carry that shame, seemed appropriate .
Fair enough. I found this picture of the Saints linebacker corps.... :singing:

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Fair enough. I found this picture of the Saints linebacker corps.... :singing:

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We are completely taken off guard by this also. I think people need to understand that much like a Patriot fans in the old days when their was no hope created blind faith in our boys and team. So, there will be some that won't stop defending them, no matter what anyone says. There is very little reason the Saints as a team should have survived in NO, besides its fan base.WE are so small market. So the fans are intense, and what they did only adds to that. Some will never stop defending Payton. I equate that to your belief in BB here.
 
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Im using it as a mark against us, not a thing to be proud of. I never change my avatar. Seems the right thing to do. Im not proud of it. If my team is wrong I have to carry that shame, seemed appropriate .

You're a fan, not a player. Unless you sent in cash to augment the bounty pool, you've done nothing about which to be ashamed.
 
Was a hit, that injured a player, dirty? If a hit was dirty I think the book should be thrown at the player and likewise to a coach who instructs their players to commit dirty hits.

In Criminal Law 101 you'll hear about there are 2 components to a crime: the guilty act and the guilty intention, and how you need both of them in order to have an actual crime. Williams obviously spoke of the result he wanted (players injured) but unless he's advocating dirty hits to accomplish this is vastly overblown.

Suppose you had Williams saying what he did but all the Saints defenders making clean tackles then I see little to complain about, the players are acting in accordance with the rules.

OTOH, suppose a coach doesnt say anything but his players do a bunch of dirty things which leaves others injured, I see a really big problem there.

That said, it makes me cringe when I routinely see dirty plays that the refs don't call. The total amount of damage the other 31 teams might inflict will dwarf what the Saints will do, even with Williams as a coach, but you don't hear about the league talking about how it's going to tighten up on officiating to further protect the players, it's all about roasting the Saints.

I don't respect that and I think the hyper-focus on the Saints actually blinds us to the much bigger problem. I never heard BB instruct the Patriots to injure players but I still cringed and was embarrassed when Merriweather launched himself, head first, into Todd Head. I thought he should have been ejected from the game and if we lost as a result of him not being able to play I would have been fine with it.

Unfortunately the incidents like that, which take place routinely, get overshadowed. Stalin was right, 1 death is a tragedy but a million is a statistic, in this case the Saints are the "tragedy" and all the other stuff will be overlooked. I believe that one should clean their own backyard before criticizing others about their yard. So, while I continue to see nasty plays which have severe risk of maiming players go uncalled, and also see the NFL do their best to sell DVDs which feature plenty of hits which doubtlessly injured players, I'll be rather unimpressed.

To me it reeks of hypocricy, and a rather transparent attempt to avoid any kind of government attention by showing how hard their going to bring the hammer down on Williams but sending very mixed messages on what's going to be allowed on the field via the officiating.

But that would be a different animal to me--if he'd just been talking a good game and shooting his mouth off to fire up the players, but he actually offered his players money and PAID them when they made a hit injuring another player. That, to me, is what separates this from the typical way coaches talk up their players. Paying someone under-the-table compensation specifically to hurt another person in derivation of the rules of the game is simply criminal.
 
You're a fan, not a player. Unless you sent in cash to augment the bounty pool, you've done nothing about which to be ashamed.

I know but its my team, its a custom here. Good and bad. we support them and represent them. And we should be ashamed. We deserve this, and many other teams do.
 
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