Does Dan Koppen Want A Huge Payday? "I gotta do what’s best for my family."

[patsfan-1982]

i seen noting that says he wants a big pay day he just dont want to make less then the 2.9 million he made last year. all that means is he's not going to play for the pats for the VET min but he's not looking to brake the bank,

Koppen is the best center on the team and Connolly is one of new englands plug and play guys meaning he looking pretty good filling in for the pats but would suck as a starter on every other team i dont see either of them geting offerd big money from anyone i think they will both be back

 

[Marqui]

To people who are saying Koppen is better than Conolly still: what are you basing that on? All I remember about Koppen is him getting dominated by bigger NTs like Nagta and getting Brady killed.

 

[patsfan-1982]

To people who are saying Koppen is better than Conolly still: what are you basing that on? All I remember about Koppen is him getting dominated by bigger NTs like Nagta and getting Brady killed.

no Disrespect but i cant think of to many centers other then Mangold that dont get dominated by Nagta

 

[ivanvamp]

no Disrespect but i cant think of to many centers other then Mangold that dont get dominated by Nagta

Dan Connolly did a tremendous job on Ngata in the AFCCG.

 

[satz]

Dan Connolly did a tremendous job on Ngata in the AFCCG.

ngata was not himself in that game... gronk blocked and sealed him in the goal line run!!!.

Dan Koppen needs to be signed with no knowledge of what waters will do. also you have a good backup center/gaurd in connelly. I think koppen will be back ,people forget that waters took over the snap counts in some games to give help to the center position.also the whole disappering of our screen and downfield blocking has mush to do with koppen injury too.

 

[Deus Irae]

Dan Connolly did a tremendous job on Ngata in the AFCCG.

I'm not sure what year's AFCCG you were watching.

 

[ivanvamp]

I'm not sure what year's AFCCG you were watching.

The 2012 matchup between the Baltimore Ravens and the New England Patriots. Maybe you missed it. The Patriots won 23-20 as Sterling Moore knocked away a potential game-winning TD pass from Lee Evans, and Ravens' kicker Billy Cundiff missed a short FG that would have tied it.

It was very exciting.

In that game, pro bowl DT Ngata had just 3 tackles, no sacks, no tackles for losses, and barely sniffed Tom Brady all day long. And Benjarvus Green-Ellis averaged 4.5 yards per carry. One of the big concerns going into that game was just how the Pats would keep Ngata from wreaking havoc, but they did a great job controlling him. Connolly was a key player in that.

You can probably get a copy of the game or something, because it sounds like you didn't get a chance to see it.

 

[Deus Irae]

The 2012 matchup between the Baltimore Ravens and the New England Patriots. Maybe you missed it. The Patriots won 23-20 as Sterling Moore knocked away a potential game-winning TD pass from Lee Evans, and Ravens' kicker Billy Cundiff missed a short FG that would have tied it.

It was very exciting.

In that game, pro bowl DT Ngata had just 3 tackles, no sacks, no tackles for losses, and barely sniffed Tom Brady all day long. And Benjarvus Green-Ellis averaged 4.5 yards per carry. One of the big concerns going into that game was just how the Pats would keep Ngata from wreaking havoc, but they did a great job controlling him. Connolly was a key player in that.

You can probably get a copy of the game or something, because it sounds like you didn't get a chance to see it.

Oh, I saw it. You must have missed it and just looked at a box score.

 

[ivanvamp]

Oh, I saw it. You must have missed it and just looked at a box score.

Apparently I wasn't the only one who saw Ngata held in check. From satz (just a few posts up):

"ngata was not himself in that game... gronk blocked and sealed him in the goal line run!!!"

Ok, so he "credits" Ngata not doing much on the fact that he "was not himself".

And Greg Bedard in his post-game comments (see: Patriots 23, Ravens 20: Post-game report - Boston.com)

"The Patriots basically erased Terrell Suggs and Haloti Ngata from the game. That was huge. Matt Light continues to have a great season. Not sure what the Patriots did on Ngata, but that Dan Connolly wasn't owned like Dan Koppen was last year. I'm tipping my cap to Connolly."

And from (Patriots News)

"Over the past two seasons, Connolly has started multiple games at both guard spots and center. He took over for an injured Dan Koppen in the opener this season and filled in admirably. He lost a few games to a groin injury but returned to perform well in the playoffs, particularly against Baltimore's Haloti Ngata."

So again...not exactly sure what you think you saw but so far, you're the only person I know that thinks Ngata was an impact player in that game. And the guy primarily responsible for him - since he typically lines up in the middle - is Connolly. He didn't do it alone, of course (Mankins and Waters were also key), but you're pretty much dead wrong if you think that Connolly didn't have a good game against Ngata.

But if you wish to maintain a contrarian position, it's fine with me.

 

[Deus Irae]

Apparently I wasn't the only one who saw Ngata held in check. From satz (just a few posts up):

"ngata was not himself in that game... gronk blocked and sealed him in the goal line run!!!"

Ok, so he "credits" Ngata not doing much on the fact that he "was not himself".

And Greg Bedard in his post-game comments (see: Patriots 23, Ravens 20: Post-game report - Boston.com)

"The Patriots basically erased Terrell Suggs and Haloti Ngata from the game. That was huge. Matt Light continues to have a great season. Not sure what the Patriots did on Ngata, but that Dan Connolly wasn't owned like Dan Koppen was last year. I'm tipping my cap to Connolly."

And from (Patriots News)

"Over the past two seasons, Connolly has started multiple games at both guard spots and center. He took over for an injured Dan Koppen in the opener this season and filled in admirably. He lost a few games to a groin injury but returned to perform well in the playoffs, particularly against Baltimore's Haloti Ngata."

So again...not exactly sure what you think you saw but so far, you're the only person I know that thinks Ngata was an impact player in that game. And the guy primarily responsible for him - since he typically lines up in the middle - is Connolly. He didn't do it alone, of course (Mankins and Waters were also key), but you're pretty much dead wrong if you think that Connolly didn't have a good game against Ngata.

But if you wish to maintain a contrarian position, it's fine with me.

1.) Ngata reportedly had a thigh injury, and it was the reason given for his missing the Pro Bowl, not that I take that as definitive proof.

2.) When did Gronk become the name for Connolly?

3.) Go watch the damned game, since the guy you're claiming as your "Gotcha!" cite freely admits that he doesn't know what the Patriots did on Ngata.

I'm not saying he was bad, awful, evil or mean. I'm just not going to buy tremendous.

 

[ivanvamp]

1.) Ngata reportedly had a thigh injury, and it was the reason given for his missing the Pro Bowl, not that I take that as definitive proof.

2.) When did Gronk become the name for Connolly?

3.) Go watch the damned game, since the guy you're claiming as your "Gotcha!" cite freely admits that he doesn't know what the Patriots did on Ngata.

I'm not saying he was bad, awful, evil or mean. I'm just not going to buy tremendous.

I'm sure Ngata wasn't at 100%. So what? Connolly did what he was supposed to do: keep Ngata from being a factor in the game. That, to me, is a good job.

You're still the only person I've heard take the position you're taking. Anyone I've read who says anything about the job Connolly did says that he did a good job. Which matches what I saw.

"Tremendous"? Ok, "really good". That better? It's really ok, Deus, to admit that Connolly was good that game. I frankly don't know why you're insisting otherwise. But whatever.

Fine, he wasn't good. You win. Let's move on to the next topic.

 

[mgteich]

Q1: Is Connolly worth starting money to the patriots?
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For me, the answer is a clear "yes". He does not need to be tremendous or a top center for the patriots to be willing to sign him as a starter. As we know, Connolly is also an adequate starter at OG, and can play FB. Connolly may be worth more to the patriots that to other teams. I look to him being re-signed before free agency starts.

Q2: What is Koppen worth to the patriots and other teams?
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If Koppen is healthy, we could obviously use him at backup pay. Belichick may be willing to pay him starting pay to be a backup, especially with the doubts regarding Waters. If Waters comes back, we would have the strongest OL in the nfl. Our game day backups would be Koppen and Vollmer! We'd have guys inactives capable of starting: Cannon, Wendell and McDonald.

I just don't expect this to happen. There should be at least one team willing to bring in Koppen as their starting center on a 3-year contract and pay more than the patriots. I expect Koppen to go. We'd still be in great shape as long as Waters comes back. I also worry about Vollmer's injuries.

Personally, I would want to pay the money for Koppen given the situation with Waters and given Vollmer's injury.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Connolly is also versatile. Great KR.

 

[vyrago]

Koppen has had his pay day, hes not that good anymore Connelly is better. Hes worth back up money now imo, so sigh anara Dan

Took me awhile to figure out you were trying to say sayonara.

 

[IllegalContact]

At this point, if someone else wants to give him more, he'd be a fool not to take it.

 

[TomPatriot]

Personally, I am tired of the family lie dreamt up by some PR/agent many moons ago. If Koppen plays for any team for the NFL 10 year plus vet minimum he will make nearly $1m a year. How many people on this board think that's not good enough for their family after making $25-30 million over the past decade?

 

[mgteich]

Ok, I'll bite. I don't think that Koppen should accept a $1M a year, one year vet minimum contract. I think he'll get considerably more. If he's willing to sign for anywhere near $1M a year (say $5M over 3 years), I would think we'd sign him in a heartbeat.

Personally, I am tired of the family lie dreamt up by some PR/agent many moons ago. If Koppen plays for any team for the NFL 10 year plus vet minimum he will make nearly $1m a year. How many people on this board think that's not good enough for their family after making $25-30 million over the past decade?

 

[Ring 6]

Personally, I am tired of the family lie dreamt up by some PR/agent many moons ago. If Koppen plays for any team for the NFL 10 year plus vet minimum he will make nearly $1m a year. How many people on this board think that's not good enough for their family after making $25-30 million over the past decade?

That is kind of a naive outlook.

Koppen is trying to provide his family the best standard of living he can.

He has earned a high level of income and is saying he wants to try to continue to earn a high level of income in order to continue the standard of living his family has attained.

How is that phony to you?

Do you seriously think someone who made 25 million over the past 10 years and is nearing the end of his high income days won't see his standard of living decline if he takes a large paycut?

Are you really trying to say that he should just accept a standard of living that is lower than he can attain because people on this board would be happy with a fraction of what he has? That is severly naive.

 

[RayClay]

That is kind of a naive outlook.
Koppen is trying to provide his family the best standard of living he can.
He has earned a high level of income and is saying he wants to try to continue to earn a high level of income in order to continue the standard of living his family has attained.
How is that phony to you?
Do you seriously think someone who made 25 million over the past 10 years and is nearing the end of his high income days won't see his standard of living decline if he takes a large paycut?
Are you really trying to say that he should just accept a standard of living that is lower than he can attain because people on this board would be happy with a fraction of what he has? That is severly naive.

Obviously, if he was prudent his family would enjoy a fine standard of living without even touching much of the principal.

I think it's fair to hope someone someday is honest enough to say " I want the money?" It would be refreshing IMO.

Nothing against Koppen, it's just a cliche, but worrying about Ty Law's starving children just about wore me out.

 

[Joker]

this is just business...savvy big time operators step on their d!cks all the time negotiating...I don't expect Koppen to be a T. Boone Pickens...his remarks about his contract mean exactly zero in the arena of NFL contract business..it will all be handled ,as every other freaking over reaction to any contract has been handled...by the agent and any teams concerned. Koppen has given the Pats a decade's worth of hard work and effort...idf he wants to try to break the bank one last time, that's HIS business and he's earned it. If the Pats deem him an expense not worth picking up in lieu of Connolly's performance this season. that's THEIR business.

Personally, I hope they come to terms..for the obvious reasons..tenure, familiarity,hard work ethic etc....