2012 NFL Salary Cap Projections

[resdubwhite]

5 plus a year for goldson a tad high no?

 

[HowardRoark]

I spent hours yesterday correlating a bunch of sites and trying to account for the Patriots reported cap number.

1. Miguel's site was last updated 8/13/2011, hope he is OK.
2. NY Jets cap site didn't have all of our players accounted for and had several players listed below the league minimum salary based on their years of experience (mostly toward the bottom of the roster)
3. Googled just about every player on the roster looking for contract details.

As near as I can figure we have 52 players signed so far. I did list all the players recently signed to futures contracts.

A couple of players (Lousaka Polite and Donald Thomas) I listed at $525,000 instead of their salaries since I think they both qualify for the veteran's exemption.

I'm within a few hundred thousand of the Maimi Sentinel figure.

Also, Profootballtalk just had a story indicating the Patriots can automatically carry forward their unused cap space from this season which they listed as $6.66 million. It is likely that several Patriots earned incentives which will be paid and count towards the 2011 cap reducing the amount we can carry forward.

Give it a look and let me know if you spot anything inaccurate or missing. Not sure I got all the 2012 dead money.

New England Patriots 2012 Salary Cap

Awesome job. Maybe this should be a sticky?

 

[patsfaninpa]

I think that you have your priorities straight. We need to re-sign Welkler, Connolly, Anderson and Slater and sign a WR and a FS. Lloyd and Goldson are solid choice.

I would note that re-signing Branch, White and Warren is also probably in the cards.

Even then, the defense will have lost Carter and Ellis and picked up Goldson. Whether there is improvement may very well depend on Dowling and the 2012 draft.

The offense would have lost Ochocinco and Green-Ellis, and picked up Lloyd. The open question is whether our running game will lose something compared to 2010 and 2011.

Would thing White and Warren come in under one of those vet exceptions or whatever they call it. Not sure about Deion.

 

[HowardRoark]

5 plus a year for goldson a tad high no?

He got paid 1.2 million last year. He might command more now, though.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Would thing White and Warren come in under one of those vet exceptions or whatever they call it. Not sure about Deion.

Key point: the vet exception (in the CBA, the "Minimum Salary Benefit") requires that the player basically be paid the absolute minimum a vet can earn (a small signing bonus is allowed).

FWIW, White did earn the exemption in 2010, but Warren didn't.

 

[resdubwhite]

He got paid 1.2 million last year. He might command more now, though.

BB got stung with Bodden after 09. I don't see him throwing that sort of money on a FA in the secondary that soon again.

 

[Rob0729]

BB got stung with Bodden after 09. I don't see him throwing that sort of money on a FA in the secondary that soon again.

I don't think Leigh Bodden is going to scare him from spending money. If getting burnt on secondary players scared Belichick, he wouldn't have spent high draft picks on McCourty and Dowling after getting burnt by Wheatley, Wilhite, and Butler.

People act like Belichick is a timid person who once he gets burnt on a player, he will never spend high on a player in that position again. Belichick has no fear in that area. If he sees a guy he thinks is a good fit and he think he can get him at the right price, he will spend.

Belichick did try to get Julius Peppers, but the Bears paid stupid money for him. People say that Belichick would never try to get a top free agent after getting burned by Adalius Thomas.

 

[malenurse2010]

People are overestimating Kevin Love's pending cap number. ERFA means he's going to make the minimum of a third year player, which is 615 k. No tender needs to be applied to retain him. Slice a million dollars off everyone's projections please.

 

[mgteich]

That top free agent is Wes Welker.

QUOTE=skinnydog;2961672]If the list linked in the original post is correct, the Pats are in a great position to land a top free agent if they chose. Again, based on this, and if the cap is about 122 million and it takes 5-7 million to sign rookies, a lot of teams will have to work hard just to get under the cap, let alone be a player in free agency.[/QUOTE]

 

[ctpatsfan77]

People are overestimating Kevin Love's pending cap number. ERFA means he's going to make the minimum of a third year player, which is 615 k. No tender needs to be applied to retain him. Slice a million dollars off everyone's projections please.

Kevin Love:

Kyle Love:

 

[fester]

Current Pats
Love - EFRA 2nd Round Tender 1.9m
Matt Slater 1.5m

Nitpicks here --- Love came into the league during the 2010 season, he is an exclusive rights free agent. The Pats have to tender him a sub $500K offer to control his rights. So chop off 1.4 million.

Matt Slater is a valuable special teams player, but I don't think he is 1.5 million valuable, more like 900K to 1.0 million, so these two minor nitpicks free up close to 2 million more dollars in cap room while also keeping two nice pieces of the puzzle under the Patriots control.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Nitpicks here --- Love came into the league during the 2010 season, he is an exclusive rights free agent. The Pats have to tender him a sub $500K offer to control his rights. So chop off 1.4 million.

Key correction: the Pats only need to tender him that amount.

They are not required to stick at the minimum; for example, they gave Woodhead, also an ERFA, a two-year extension in 2010.

 

[broadwayjoe]

Teams can carry over cap space. Since this thread is talking about the Salary Cap I thought I would add this information to this thread.

Weekend rewind: Teams can carry over cap space | ProFootballTalk

And here’s one detail I didn’t notice when we listed the five teams with the most cap space and the five teams with the least. From John McClain of the Houston Chronicle, each of the five highest-spending teams in 2011 (Steelers, Falcons, Giants, Texans, Lions) made the playoffs, and only one of the five lowest-spending teams (Jaguars, Broncos, Buccaneers, Chiefs, Seahawks) qualified for the postseason.

Remaining 2011 cap space, by team | ProFootballTalk

Bears: $7.74 million.
Cardinals: $7.04 million.
Patriots: $6.66 million.
Ravens: $6.18 million.
Packers: $5.48 million.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Team by team breakdowns being commenced by Football Outsiders beginning with AFCE.

JETS seem to be in a pickle. Tanny will work around it as is his forte, but at the cost of postponing the inevitable. They can create about $15M in cap space, but after accounting for draftees and RFA tenders that will only leave them with about $10M in cap space and that won't go far on a team with a lot of ground to regain. For the record, this is what happens to teams that have several players with cap hits in excess of $7-8M. That's what dragged the Colts down too.

Miami has some issues, too.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Under the Cap: AFC East Cap Overview

 

[mgteich]

So our cap must be adjusted by carryforwards from 2011 and incentives earned in 2011. Does anyone have a "total" cap including incentives earned?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So our cap must be adjusted by carryforwards from 2011 and incentives earned in 2011. Does anyone have a "total" cap including incentives earned?

The team and the league. Eventually adjustments will appear as salary changes on the NFLPA site.

This is info Miguel seldom even has in advance because we seldom see the fine print in contracts. Eventually AdamJT13 usually has access to the adjusted cap information and passes it on, but that's often mid March when his whomever his inside contact is gets a hold of it.

 

[DaBruinz]

I spent hours yesterday correlating a bunch of sites and trying to account for the Patriots reported cap number.

1. Miguel's site was last updated 8/13/2011, hope he is OK.
2. NY Jets cap site didn't have all of our players accounted for and had several players listed below the league minimum salary based on their years of experience (mostly toward the bottom of the roster)
3. Googled just about every player on the roster looking for contract details.

As near as I can figure we have 52 players signed so far. I did list all the players recently signed to futures contracts.

A couple of players (Lousaka Polite and Donald Thomas) I listed at $525,000 instead of their salaries since I think they both qualify for the veteran's exemption.

I'm within a few hundred thousand of the Maimi Sentinel figure.

Also, Profootballtalk just had a story indicating the Patriots can automatically carry forward their unused cap space from this season which they listed as $6.66 million. It is likely that several Patriots earned incentives which will be paid and count towards the 2011 cap reducing the amount we can carry forward.

Give it a look and let me know if you spot anything inaccurate or missing. Not sure I got all the 2012 dead money.

New England Patriots 2012 Salary Cap

Just an FYI:
The Pats signed Markell Carter to a futures contract, yet I don't see him listed.

 

[DaBruinz]

Current Pats
Welker 3/24 8m per. R.Moss got 3/27 off of his epic season. Seems fair to me
Love - EFRA 2nd Round Tender 1.9m
Connolly 2.5m 2 years 5m

ERFAs fall under a different tendering system than regular RFAs. There is no "round" tender.

According to Article 8, Section 2 of the CBA, the Pats are only required to do the following:

Any Veteran with less than three Accrued Seasons whose contract has expired may negotiate or sign a Player Contract only with his Prior Club, if before the first day of the League Year after the expiration of his contract, his Prior Club tenders the player a one year Player Contract with a Paragraph 5 Salary of at least the Minimum Active/Inactive List Salary applicable to that player

I think that they will sign Love to a longer deal closer to the money you mentioned, though.

 

[jsull87]

Very interesting that by restructuring brady's contract and aportioning some of his 2012 salary into a signing bonus we could free up almost 9 million next year. Couple that with the 20 million of cap space and the estimated 6 million that can be carried over from this year. Leaves us with "potentially" about 35 million dollars to sign our FA (Anderson, Branch, Carter, Connoly, BJGE, Ihedigbo, Koppen, Slater and The big one Wes Welker). Sign rookies and then have Money left for taking a splash at the big FA we want in #1 WR and Mario Williams.

Take away the Franchised number for Wes of 9.5 (or you can look at a contract of 7-8 mil) and then around 5-6 for rookies. Thats leaves about 20 million potentially left for the FA signings. If you assume the pats want a buffer like usual of say 5-6 mill. That leaves us with potentially14-15 million for free agents not names Wes Welker.

When i look at it like that it's going to be interesting to see if we have enough money in the bank to take a shot at Mario Williams AND crowd favorite Brandol Lloyd

 

[Spiral]

Team by team breakdowns being commenced by Football Outsiders beginning with AFCE.

JETS seem to be in a pickle. Tanny will work around it as is his forte, but at the cost of postponing the inevitable. They can create about $15M in cap space, but after accounting for draftees and RFA tenders that will only leave them with about $10M in cap space and that won't go far on a team with a lot of ground to regain. For the record, this is what happens to teams that have several players with cap hits in excess of $7-8M. That's what dragged the Colts down too.

Miami has some issues, too.

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Under the Cap: AFC East Cap Overview

Jets fans rejoice. At least you finished ahead of us in something.