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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.As a Bronco's fan I had to create an account to argue with a Saints fan on a Patriots message board.???
There is so much fail in your post. You have clearly have not actually seen the Broncos play but rather base your argument on meaningless stats. YPG on offense and Defense mean nothing. I'm very familiar with yardage champions as Denver has one in it's division. San Diego was 1st in both categories last year yet failed to make the playoffs.
Stating that Fox will not change his style is absolutely ridiculous. The Broncos have changed their whole entire offense since Tebow's insertion into the starting line-up.
Also, saying that Denver's 'D' matches up "horribly" with the pats is another indication that you have no clue what you are talking about. Not a lot of teams match up well against Brady and that offense. Denver is a small handful of teams that can lessen his impact. As you stated the Pats defense is getting better, so is Denver's. Denver can rush the passer. QB's have been gun shy all year and have been forced to make quick decisions.
I have seen a lot of Pats games over the years. Tom Brady is amazing. There is no arguing that. I am with all of you that putting Tom and Tim's name in the same sentence is absolutely ridiculous. Brady always seems to be effective because he is able to sit in a clean pocket. Not taking anything away from the guy, but as all QB's when under pressure he gets frustrated. I think the front 7 of Denvers D will be the main reason the Broncos win this game.
The Broncos are not a bad team as stated in your post. They are a very hot, confident, fighting team. It will be a good game that will be fun to watch.
Broncos 17
Patriots 13
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But I have to say that it is next to impossible to see how the Patriots' defense is getting better. If giving up career days to Dan Orlovsky and Rex Grossman adds up to "improvement," I need a new dictionary.
The Patriots defense is getting worse every week and this Broncos team is better offensively in many, many ways than the Redskins who matched the Patriots score for score until the clock ran out.
I do not share your optimism about this game - at all.
You really didn't have to do anything.. lol, yeah , I guess that seems odd. Short answer is in 2006 Sean Payton modeled the rebuilding of the Saints after the Patriots, and BB's ideas and coaching style. So, we started to watch them from a far and gained respect for what they were doing. 2009 we played them at the Dome, and expected the usual laughter, to be berated, but to our surprise they were they were extremely knowledgeable about football, not even remotely arrogant or condescending , and wanted to hang to talk ball. Even the newspapers wrote about it, and lots of New Orleans fans just kind of fell in love with New England. So, we want to play them in a Super Bowl. Believe it or not, that the short answer,lol.
Your argument about stats is mute, because you have to discount them , you don't have any stats that show your a very good team at all. Believe me I tried to find one.
San Diego reasons for not winning in the playoffs is because of a weak division, and Rivers or the coaching staff has a choke problem, nothing to do with stats at all.
Fox changed because of Tebow, you haven't played a different game plan sense, and believe me you won't. We dealt with him for many years,he's no offensive mastermind.
You will play the same way all year.
You can rush the passer on below average teams and OL's, like the bears, Min, charger, etc.. Not a OL as good as New England, and you haven't played against a QB yet
your saying that Ponder, 2nd string QB Bears, Rivers ( who has been imploding all season), and K-Mark are good QB's? Well they are not.
Denver reminds me a lot of the Lions. Building up wins against weak opponents. Only without the good QB, errr WR's, DL, etc.. otherwise your doing exactly what they did,
and your going to start losing like they did. Thats another stat.
Patriots offense is on par with New Orleans, and we would have a field day torching the Denver's 22nd ranked defense. Patriots average 31pts a game. How many points did you score against the chargers ? lol, because they scored 35pts, Jets 30, KC 34.
No disrespect but you have a low football IQ if you think your holding Patriots offense to 13pts, we can't even do that, and our defense is way better than denver.
I don't think putting Tebows name with Brady in the same sentence ever occurred to anyone, and personally I think it will never occur to anyone threw out tebows career.
Brady is one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL under pressure he has a 60% completion record. Do you actually read anything about football, or did you just get these crazy ideas from Tebows prayer group.
Broncos are not a bad team, no, but they sure are not a very good team, sorry.
SF is a good team, but they can't beat great or elite teams either, and teams are figuring them out late in the season so they are starting to lose.
It will be a fun game, but don't get your hopes up , and don't worry when you lose. Broncos are still building with a new coach (Fox is a good coach BTW), new QB and new ideas. Though I'm not positive Tebow will be there next year. Sorry, just how I see it and all the stats and evidence is on my side, you just have faith.
Thanks for the logic and information.
And, BTW, as my favorite Opposition Poster (hands down!) do you have a view on whether your Saints can get what would be their first and only outdoor playoff victory in franchise history on the Frozen Tundra in January and keep an 18--0 Pack from the SB? I know a lot of us on this board hope so, but I wonder what you think
Well you are clearly the authority on all things football. My football IQ should not be compared to yours because my thoughts are based on faith. Oh yeah, the saints defense is much better than denver's. Good call.
The Broncos are not a bad team as stated in your post. They are a very hot, confident, fighting team. It will be a good game that will be fun to watch.
Broncos 17
Patriots 13
I might of been a little offensive, I apologize for that, but you did swing first.
But I do apologize for the off hand football IQ remark, I just have no idea where you are getting this from. Yep were 17th your 22nd.
err I post to much,lol
Last i checked games are won with points not yards.
Thanks PatsFanSince74, you've all been pretty cool to me, even when I don't agree, and I like your post.
We have no Fricken Idea!!!!!!! lol :singing: kidding
We have been trying to look at both teams before the season started and break them down, and we have come up with some difference that we think might give us and edge.
99.9% of the NFL see us as a Dome team, and its impossible that we could beat GB at the Frozen Tundra. So we are immediately discounted, and it shifts to SF, which is kind of silly because when was it ever cold in SF,lol. We think they would get killed. Rogers is too good for most defenses and smith would never keep up with him.
We destroyed Rogers and the players he has now in 2008 51-29, but in the Dome. They never forgave us for that.
We lost to them by a yard this year, but didn't have, Moore,smith, or porter playing. So, rogers torched our CB rookie robinson all day.
Some of the edges we might have is Brees is not effected by weather, like most think, he played out doors and as a boilermaker for most of his Football life. We haven't seen him get worse, we have seen the team get slower and lose footing. GB and NO practice outdoors in opposite extremes. We practice with 120 degrees and 90% humility with high coast winds and they practice a 40 degrees with northern coastal winds. Its the reason we have a Super Dome, opposing teams would die if they had to play in our heat and humidity, and we drink to much ,lol, so fans would dehydrate
But, no one believing we can play outdoors or in the extreme cold is and edge.
They might underestimate us, and not know that NO has the best away game record sense 2008. The Dome is a myth the NFL dreamed up,lol, we lost 2 of our games in 2009 in the Dome. We are just doing well this year.
Saints are a very good away game team.
WR/TE - most say we are even, but we don't see a Moore/Welker type player on GB. Moore has been trailing Welker for 3 years in 70% or above completions. He hardly drops anything as a slot WR.
RB - GB just dosnt have a good run game vs Thomas, Sproles, Ingram, or Ivory. This is a huge advantage in weather.
OL - GB also does not have the best OL VS NO pretty dang good #1-5 OL. This is a huge advantage in weather, and to push our advantage of run game.
Brees and Rodgers - Rodgers is doing better than Brees, but Brees has a better short game than Rogers does. I think I saw a stat on Rodgers over 20 yard passes and I was surprised he had so many, and so many yards after the catch. Rodgers WR/TE are very very very good at making yardage after the catch. But, a lot of 20 yard passes and YAC with be districted by bad weather. Brees has almost 2x more passes than Rogers and is well equipped to dink and dunk for 8 mins for opts.
Gb has lots of pluses, hope you understand Im just showing ours that would give us that edge.
We think if its chilly but clear, its not going to matter, its going to be a shoot out. Because neither defense can stop the others offense. Our only edge is Coaching and running at that point to run down the clock and keep Rodgers of the field, like we did the Colts.
But what most don't know is we want a blizzard . Yes, thats right, a blizzard with snow falling , winds, and cold. Then we think we have a way bigger advantage.
We have Moore a slot WR that catches anything, a way better run game to pound the rock, a OL that can make sure the rock is pounded well, and a QB that is better under pressure ( Brees 67.9% 129 pressures, Rogers 66% , 89 pressures) and the short game.
To answer your questions we can win if we get a blizzard strange as that sounds.
Still LOL @ broncos fans thinking the pats are only scoring 13 pts...they are in for a surprise if thats teh case
I might have been a little offensive, I apologize for that, but you did swing first.
But I do apologize for the off hand football IQ remark, I just have no idea where you are getting this from. Yep were 17th your 22nd.
err I post to much,lol
Last i checked games are won with points not yards.
Last i checked games are won with points not yards.
Yes your right, and our D is ranked better than your D if you go by points. I dont know where anyone gets the idea that the Broncs have a great D, they dont. This is over by half time.
Good points pherien I forgot about GB's lackluster running game in terms of home field advantage. Right on about a blizzard as well, we've seen our offense flourish in the short game during those conditions never mind having a stacked backfield.
finley's had some ugly drops in the few games I've watched but overall he's big treat. Graham has glue fingers and runs a pretty fast 40 time for that size 4.56(had to check that out).
interesting factoid, Jerry Rices 40 time was 4.71 coming out of college.
shows the importance of route running, dayum.
5 of the last 8 games the broncos have held their opponents under 20 points.
5 of the last 8 games the broncos have held their opponents under 20 points.
5 of your last games where against no one important or were any good.