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What is "that"?

Brady gave away the LOLphins game in 2004, and bounced back nicely from that. . . .

Brady wasn't 31 at the time with a history of coughing up furballs at the most inopportune time and a questionable work ethic.
 
What is "that"?

Brady gave away the LOLphins game in 2004, and bounced back nicely from that. . . .

Oh you missed my point entirely. Do you know how many games Romo has given away this season in the fourth quarter? Add an INT to that list and he is gone. Dallas media will kill him, his teammates will start to doubt him.... Jerry Jones will definitely say something he should only say behind close doors to the media....
Are you getting me now?
 
That was absolutely the correct call by Dallas. Run the clock and force the Patriots to drive the length of the field. Their defense was rocking all day and the Patriots were having a really rough time moving the ball.

Jerry Jones is a clown for second guessing the correct call.

All you people saying "play to win" are the ones who probably would lose more games by taking unnecessary risks.

Throw the ball and you can have three bad things happen...incomplete which stops the clock, interception, sack or sack+fumble.

I would have ra the ball 3 times and then trusted my 4th rated defense t make the stop like it had been doing al game long.o
 
I would have ra the ball 3 times and then trusted my 4th rated defense t make the stop like it had been doing al game long.o

I guess the real question, then, is why things suddenly started clicking for NE on that last drive (Brady went 8-for-9 on that last drive versus 19-for-32 the rest of the way).
 
I think Garrett made the right call based on how the game unfolded up to that point. His defense had stifled Brady and the offense for the majority of the game and had just forced them to a three and out the series before. Had he became aggressive and turned the ball over, he would be getting killed even worst this morning. He gave his defense, who had been winning the game for him, a chance to close it out.
 
Previous drive: 3-and-out.

Drive before that: Brady hurried into a pick.

2nd-half points: 0.

I give *credit* to Dallas for playing clockball, forcing the Pats to burn timeouts and putting the game on their D to stop Brady one more time like they had the prior two drives. The only critique I have is the lack of originality of the running plays. If I was a Cowboys fan, I would have liked to see an end-around or at least a fake end-around to spread out the D or catch the D off-guard. The way the Pats played the first down was a classic "We're selling out to stop the halfback" with guys run-blitzing like crazy; An end-around there, a QB fake handoff/bootleg or (if having the balls to do it) a screen would have likely ended the game.

Regards,
Chris
 
Jason Garrett is getting a lot of crap for being conservative at the end of the game from everyone including the owner of the Cowboys. I don't necessarily agree with the particular play calls, but I think he actually employed the right strategy on that drive before Brady's game winner. Here are my reasonings:

1.) The Cowboys had the lead and had an opportunity to force the Pats to burn their last two time outs and one first down would have at best given the Pats less than one minute and no timeouts to tie or beat the Cowboys.

Couple of considerations:
- Could the Cowboys reasonably expect to just line up and gain 10 yards on three running plays? Obviously not...so expecting a first down that way is not really on the table.
- What would the time situation be if you run 3 times and punt? About 2:30 with one timeout...which is an eternity when you consider all the Pats needed was a FG.

2.) The Cowboys defense has been giving Brady and the offense fits all day. It wasn't like the Pats were scoring at will yesterday. The way the defense was playing, the safe bet was to play conservatively on offense avoiding the big turnover and letting the defense win the game.

The Cowboys were defending 10 yards and 3 downs up to that point. Adding another down alters the dynamic significantly.

As for the Cowboys giving the offense fits, the Pats had 8 drives before that last one. 5 of them ended with the Pats in FG position...which is all they needed to tie the game.

Another thing to realize is that Dallas got a 52 yard net on the punt exchange...which is more than they reasonably should have expected. So the plan should have assumed limited gains on 3 runs, Pats getting the ball back at their 30 with 2:30 left and 1 timeout (plus 2 min warning), only needing 40 yards for a reasonable FG attempt to tie. With those assumptions, time really isn't a factor. If time isn't a factor, playing to drain time and timeouts isn't a good or even sensible plan.

Dallas was going to have to turn over the Pats offense (downs or turnover). Even if Romo had thrown 3 incomplete quick passes, the Pats would have been in the same situation with 3:10 and 3 timeouts (plus 2 min). Is that really that big a difference?

It is all about measuring positive vs. negative outcomes in both situations. If you can trust Romo not to throw a pick, the negatives are pretty much identical. The positives for running the ball 3 times are pretty weak (very small chance of getting a 1st down). The positives for throwing 2 or 3 safe/short passes are significant (likely close to 50% chance of getting a first down based on the defense in front of them).

3.) It is these situations where Romo usually spits the bit.

If Romo is that fragile, then get another QB. There are a lot of QBs that could have put up 16 points on the Pats yesterday with that offense. You pay a QB big bucks to win the game on the final drive. The Cowboys were determined not to let Romo lose that game. But in trying to protect Romo, that is exactly what happened.
 
Unless you have zero confidence in your QB and skill position players you cannot do what Garrett did there. And if that is the case, bench the guy.

There was way too much time left and the Pats only needed a FG. No matter what had gone on to that point in the game, there aren't 10 guys (prob not 5) in the history of pro football Garrett wants to see with the ball less than Tom Brady. To run your offense in a way that ensures he gets the ball back with more than 2 minutes left is suicide.
 
He was in "play not to lose" mentality. A more aggressive coach - like a Sean Payton - wouldn't have played it that way.

Payton has Drew Brees, Garrett has Tony Romo at QB. Garrett may want to be aggressive but his QB has a history of making bad decision under pressure. Also the penalty killed any real chance to make a first down so Garrett ran as much time off the clock as he could.
 
When Dallas was at the Goaline and Romo passed it off to Choice instead of looking for one of his several talented WRs,I knew right there that Garrett does NOT trust Romo to get the job done.

That kind of stuff will get the Cowboys nowhere.
 
On the flip side if he had gone for it on 4th and 2 citing that giving the ball to Brady in that situation was not a good idea he also would have been villified.

Bottom line is fans are dumb and don't like losing.
 
Couple of considerations:
- Could the Cowboys reasonably expect to just line up and gain 10 yards on three running plays? Obviously not...so expecting a first down that way is not really on the table.
- What would the time situation be if you run 3 times and punt? About 2:30 with one timeout...which is an eternity when you consider all the Pats needed was a FG.

Except you are not taking into effect that the Cowboys had a false start penalty making it 3rd and 18. I didn't think the pitch was the best call, but the only logical calls in that situation were conservative plays because the chances of converting 3rd and 18 is very low. Running on the first two downs is not a bad choice.



The Cowboys were defending 10 yards and 3 downs up to that point. Adding another down alters the dynamic significantly.

As for the Cowboys giving the offense fits, the Pats had 8 drives before that last one. 5 of them ended with the Pats in FG position...which is all they needed to tie the game.

The Pats had more turnovers than points in the second half at that point. The drives for the Pats up to that pointed ended as follows - punt, fumble, interception, and three and out. You gotta trust your defense.

Another thing to realize is that Dallas got a 52 yard net on the punt exchange...which is more than they reasonably should have expected. So the plan should have assumed limited gains on 3 runs, Pats getting the ball back at their 30 with 2:30 left and 1 timeout (plus 2 min warning), only needing 40 yards for a reasonable FG attempt to tie. With those assumptions, time really isn't a factor. If time isn't a factor, playing to drain time and timeouts isn't a good or even sensible plan.

Again, the fact that in four possessions in the second half, the Cowboys defense held the Pats to zero points, it is reasonable to put the ball back in your defenses' hands. Garrett didn't tell Tyron Smith to committ a false start penalty killing any shot of converting third down. People forget that happened.

Also, they Pats had plenty of time in part because the Cowboys stupidly allowed the Pats to work the sidelines and pick up big yards. The Pats got three plays off before the half because the first two plays allowed the receiver to run out of bounds.


Dallas was going to have to turn over the Pats offense (downs or turnover). Even if Romo had thrown 3 incomplete quick passes, the Pats would have been in the same situation with 3:10 and 3 timeouts (plus 2 min). Is that really that big a difference?

If the Cowboys had played better defense, there would have been a huge difference between 3:10 with 3 time outs and 2:31 and only one. The problem is the Cowboys played a softer zone type coverage and allowed the Pats to pick up big chunks of yards and work the sidelines. If the Cowboys only allowed the Pats to get modest 5 yard gains and only complete passes over the center of the field those 40 or so extra seconds and time outs would have been huge.

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It is all about measuring positive vs. negative outcomes in both situations. If you can trust Romo not to throw a pick, the negatives are pretty much identical. The positives for running the ball 3 times are pretty weak (very small chance of getting a 1st down). The positives for throwing 2 or 3 safe/short passes are significant (likely close to 50% chance of getting a first down based on the defense in front of them).

Belichick probably would have done the same thing in that situation if Brady was struggling. You go with what is working. The Cowboys' defense was shutting down the Patriots offense or at least keeping them from scoring points. It was like Belichick going for it on 4th and 2. You try to win with what is working.

If Romo is that fragile, then get another QB. There are a lot of QBs that could have put up 16 points on the Pats yesterday with that offense. You pay a QB big bucks to win the game on the final drive. The Cowboys were determined not to let Romo lose that game. But in trying to protect Romo, that is exactly what happened.

It is week six in the season. How does that work? Romo is an above average QB who is prone to make the big mistakes. At this point, the Cowboys gotta go and work around what they have. They can't go to the QB store and buy the next Tom Brady at this point.
 
Jones signed Romo.
Romo can't be trusted in any pressure situation.
Garrett is smart enough to know that Romo can't be trusted in any pressure situation.
Jones is an ego-maniacal jerk who will never admit that he is wrong.
The Cowboys D was playing very well and had just held Brady to a 3 and out.

Only an idiot like Jones would let Romo control the team's fate in that situation.
 
I thought he was very conservative.The cowboys are not going anywhere with Romo.You have to challenge the defense there.I know the dallas defense was doing a good job but u cant give TB that many opportunities.
 
its a case of them not trusting Romo....and theres no reason why he should trust romo on that...the guy seems to choke in 4th quarter situations.

the defense had held a patriots offense that averages 30pts a game to 13points....you let the defense try to stop them. Brady was just more clutch..that last 2 minute drive was beautiful

would you trust Romo who basically gave away 2 of the Cowboys losses on 3rd or 4th down and long??
 
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He stayed aggressive against the Jets and Romo killed the team. He let Romo be Romo against the Lions and watched a 24 point lead get pissed away. Why would anyone complain that he didn't let Romo air it out again?
 
He stayed aggressive against the Jets and Romo killed the team. He let Romo be Romo against the Lions and watched a 24 point lead get pissed away. Why would anyone complain that he didn't let Romo air it out again?

Because Cowboy fans take their lead from the entitled owner/#1 cheerleader of "America's Team" who still believes that is still what they are and ergo they should win. After all that's what he's built them to do...including personally plucking Romo out of obscurity. In Dallas at the end of the day it's always the HC's fault, even though Jerry handpicks them, too.
 


Jerry warming up the finger of blame before the game.
 
He was in "play not to lose" mentality. A more aggressive coach - like a Sean Payton - wouldn't have played it that way.


But Sean Payton hasn't watched his QB blow big leads all year with his bone head decision making.
 
Couple of considerations:
- Could the Cowboys reasonably expect to just line up and gain 10 yards on three running plays? Obviously not...so expecting a first down that way is not really on the table.

why obviously not? I'll grant you that it may not have been likely, but it was certainly possible.
 
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