Are YOU writing off the Dolphins and Bills in the AFC East?

[DaBruinz]

I cant trust the texans at all.I still have the dolts winning that division.Each year its the same thing,I will believe it when its already doned and they take the division!

With Peyton still on the sidelines due to his neck injury, I think the Texans have an even chance at beating out the Colts. The one thing about Texans, Titans and Jags defenses is that they are hard hitting.

Also, I feel that the Colts secondary is very suspect. Bethea is still there, but they've lost Kelvin Hayden and Bob Sanders. And though Sanders was injured a lot, he brought a lot of leadership to them, even from the sidelines.

I also think that losing Mudd from the offense is going to hurt the Colts.. But, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Deus Irae]

that seems to be the prevailing opinion

but i would love to see the browns do something

They do have an easy schedule. I just don't see them leapfrogging anyone.

 

[DaBruinz]

I think the Dolphins defense will be #1 in the AFC east and top five in the league. With that being said they are relying on a rookie running back, chad henne, and don't have a tight end. Also, their O-line is untested and it could be awful. The defense will keep them in some games but I don't see them better than 8-8.

The Bills? Meh.

Anthony Fasano is their TE.
They also added Marc Columbo to their O-line.
They aren't relying on a rookie RB. They added Reggie Bush.

My issue is that Chad Henne isn't great and Sporano gave Henne a vote of No Confidence 2 years in a row, now.

The Pats did an excellent job last year of tearing apart the Phins secondary. And I don't see the LBers being improved by removing Crowder and adding Burnett.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

I think the Jets have crested for this cycle. They have lost talent on theDL and OL and at Wr, and even at RB. There is no depth behind Sanchez, and are extremely thin everywhere. Sooner or later injuries will hit them, unlike the past few seasons.

I would not at all be surprised to see them recede to around 8-8. I could also see the Dolphins climbing to around 8-8, if things break well for them.

So it is not a two team race.

it is a ONE TEAM race as the Pats have improved over the past two seasons, from 11-5, to 14-2, to 15-1+? So its a ONE Team race, like the Colts always seem to have in their division.

As an objective Jet fan, this is such a laughable post. The only player we lost on the DL was Ellis, who was a below avg DE all year save the game against you guys where he found the fountain of youth with a few sacks. I was always a big Ellis fan, but at this stage of his career he is nothing more than a rotational player, which is how he should be used on your DL.

Again, on the OL, who did we lose? Woody went down late in the season last year and his replacement didn't allow a sack (Hunter) after filling in. He was also very productive in the run game. So, your analysis is wrong here as well.

We have the same RB as last year, so how can you possibly make the point we got worse at RB?

WR is the only area I'll give you, since its almost an entire new group. I'm not counting on Plax to do much, but Holmes and Mason are as good a 1-2 punch as you'll find in the NFL.

Depth behind Sanchez? How many teams have excellent backup QBs. Are you really gonna sit there and tell me you're 100% confident in Bradys backup, be it Hoyer or Mallett. Almost every team has this question mark. We're probably in a better situation then your in, since if Sanchez goes down, Brunell takes over and can just become a good game manager. Your team needs an elite QB to win games, ours doesn't shown by us winning 10/11 games the last two season with Mark putting up well below average regular season numbers.

Even with all that, your post about us being injury free is also hysterical. I wasn't aware these injuries didn't count last year:

-Kris Jenkins missed the entire season
-Revis missed 3 games, and played severely injured in about 3 more
-Jim Leonhard missed the last 6 games of the regular season, plus the entire postseason
-Cotchery missed 2 games
-Holmes missed the first 4 games with a suspension
-Calvin Pace missed 4 games with a broken foot
-Our RT, Damien Woody missed the last 5 games of the year and the entire post season

Come on man. At least use objective analysis to make your points. I'm not gonna sit here and say the Jets are better than the Pats in the regular season, they're not.

Also, you should look up the term regression. Just because your team might have added a few parts doesn't mean a team with 14 wins is gonna jump to 15. You know how many times that's happened in the NFL? I'll give you a chance to answer that question. I think the Pats are good for 12-14 wins for the simple reason a small sample of 16 games is just too small for skill/talent to take over. You realize you had the best TO differential/your RBs never fumbled the ball last year. What are the chances you repeat that?

 

[DaBruinz]

As an objective Jet fan, Sorry, but I don't believe there is such a thing this is such a laughable post. The only player we lost on the DL was Ellis, who was a below avg DE all year save the game against you guys where he found the fountain of youth with a few sacks. I was always a big Ellis fan, but at this stage of his career he is nothing more than a rotational player, which is how he should be used on your DL.

What about what you lost on the rest of your defense? Jason Taylor, Drew Coleman? I was going to mention Gholston, but I think that is addition by subtraction.

Again, on the OL, who did we lose? Woody went down late in the season last year and his replacement didn't allow a sack (Hunter) after filling in. He was also very productive in the run game. So, your analysis is wrong here as well.

How much help did Hunter get? From what I saw, a lot. Will the Jets be able to afford to give him that much help?

We have the same RB as last year, so how can you possibly make the point we got worse at RB?

Cause Tomlinson is a year older

WR is the only area I'll give you, since its almost an entire new group. I'm not counting on Plax to do much, but Holmes and Mason are as good a 1-2 punch as you'll find in the NFL.

Mason from 5 years ago might have made that a good 1-2 punch, but now? Mason is, at best, a short yardage possession receiver. Losing Edwards, Cotchery, and Brad Smith is a huge loss for the Jets. You saying otherwise is just being a homer.

Depth behind Sanchez? How many teams have excellent backup QBs. Are you really gonna sit there and tell me you're 100% confident in Bradys backup, be it Hoyer or Mallett. Almost every team has this question mark. We're probably in a better situation then your in, since if Sanchez goes down, Brunell takes over and can just become a good game manager. Your team needs an elite QB to win games, ours doesn't shown by us winning 10/11 games the last two season with Mark putting up well below average regular season numbers.

You are talking out your ass here. Sorry. The claim that your team would still win 10/11 games without Sanchez is just bogus. Since you forgot, the Pats won 11 games with Matt Cassel as the QB. Hoyer is at least as good as Cassel was at the time.

Even with all that, your post about us being injury free is also hysterical. I wasn't aware these injuries didn't count last year:

-Kris Jenkins missed the entire season
-Revis missed 3 games, and played severely injured in about 3 more
-Jim Leonhard missed the last 6 games of the regular season, plus the entire postseason
-Cotchery missed 2 games
-Holmes missed the first 4 games with a suspension
-Calvin Pace missed 4 games with a broken foot
-Our RT, Damien Woody missed the last 5 games of the year and the entire post season

Calvin Pace missed 4 games with a broken foot? You mean the same 4 games he served his suspension?

Cotchery missing 2 games isn't squat.

Holmes being out for his suspension is not an injury...

Yes, you were without Woody and Leonhard. Those were the only major injuries the Jets suffered last year. As you said earlier, Jenkins missed the entire season. You can't have it both ways.

The Pats lost Mike Wright, Gerard Warren and Myron Prior last year. Add to that, Kevin Faulk, Stephen Neal, and Stephen Gostkowski.

Come on man. At least use objective analysis to make your points. I'm not gonna sit here and say the Jets are better than the Pats in the regular season, they're not.

The Pot calling the kettle black there. You haven't been objective either.

Also, you should look up the term regression. Just because your team might have added a few parts doesn't mean a team with 14 wins is gonna jump to 15. You know how many times that's happened in the NFL? I'll give you a chance to answer that question. I think the Pats are good for 12-14 wins for the simple reason a small sample of 16 games is just too small for skill/talent to take over. You realize you had the best TO differential/your RBs never fumbled the ball last year. What are the chances you repeat that?

What are the chances that a young defense gets even better? I would say good to excellent.

What are the chances that BJGE doesn't fumble? Excellent. Since he's not done so since before High School. BTW, Woodhead fumbled twice last year. Will he do so again? Maybe, maybe not.

But, one of the things about the Turnover differential that you over-look is that Brady only threw 4 interceptions. Compared to Sanchez's 13.

And while Sanchez may have Holmes, Mason, Burress and Keller they don't compare to OchoCinco, Branch, Welker, Gostkowski, and Hernandez.

 

[nyjet17]

Calvin Pace missed 4 games with a broken foot? You mean the same 4 games he served his suspension?

Calvin Pace's suspension was in 2009.

In 2010 he missed those games because of a broken foot.

Look up your facts please.

 

[DaBruinz]

Calvin Pace's suspension was in 2009.

In 2010 he missed those games because of a broken foot.

Look up your facts please.

Hey SFBs. I was checking my facts by asking a question. I didn't make a statement. I guess I shouldn't expect a Jets fan to understand the difference. Thanks for the answer, but keep your snide garbage to yourself.

 

[Deus Irae]

As an objective Jet fan, this is such a laughable post. The only player we lost on the DL was Ellis, who was a below avg DE all year save the game against you guys where he found the fountain of youth with a few sacks. I was always a big Ellis fan, but at this stage of his career he is nothing more than a rotational player, which is how he should be used on your DL.

Ellis was a starter for the Jets. You can call him a below average DE all you want, but he was better than the Jets alternatives. Until someone shows they can replace him, it's a loss.

Again, on the OL, who did we lose? Woody went down late in the season last year and his replacement didn't allow a sack (Hunter) after filling in. He was also very productive in the run game. So, your analysis is wrong here as well.

Hunter was not as good as Woody. What happens going forward should be interesting, because the Jets now have two weak spots on the O-line instead of one, and that's tougher to scheme protections with, especially because teams will now have the film to look at.

We have the same RB as last year, so how can you possibly make the point we got worse at RB?

Thomlinson will be a year older and was showing signs of decline last year.

WR is the only area I'll give you, since its almost an entire new group. I'm not counting on Plax to do much, but Holmes and Mason are as good a 1-2 punch as you'll find in the NFL.

I can think of multiple teams with a better top pair, with the Eagles (Jackson/Maclin) being one example, several teams that are at the Holmes/Mason level, and a team or two that will be in the conversation if highly drafted rookie picks work out.

Depth behind Sanchez? How many teams have excellent backup QBs. Are you really gonna sit there and tell me you're 100% confident in Bradys backup, be it Hoyer or Mallett. Almost every team has this question mark. We're probably in a better situation then your in, since if Sanchez goes down, Brunell takes over and can just become a good game manager. Your team needs an elite QB to win games, ours doesn't shown by us winning 10/11 games the last two season with Mark putting up well below average regular season numbers.

Brunell is done. I'd take Hoyer over him at this point, absolutely without question.

 

[nyjet17]

Hey SFBs. I was checking my facts by asking a question. I didn't make a statement. I guess I shouldn't expect a Jets fan to understand the difference. Thanks for the answer, but keep your snide garbage to yourself.

Nice try to cover up...it was obvious that question was rhetorical.

It's really not that big of a deal though, I was merely correcting you in the same "snide garbage" format that you have been using.

moving on though...

 

[nyjet17]

Ellis was a starter for the Jets. You can call him a below average DE all you want, but he was better than the Jets alternatives. Until someone shows they can replace him, it's a loss.

That's why Muhammad Wilkerson was drafted. Also, Ropati Pitoitua is healthy this year. He has been replaced pretty easily, outside of his one great performance against the Patriots (albeit, some of it coverage sacks).

Hunter was not as good as Woody. What happens going forward should be interesting, because the Jets now have two weak spots on the O-line instead of one, and that's tougher to scheme protections with, especially because teams will now have the film to look at.

Hunter is not as good as Woody, but he proved to certainly be capable of replacing him. We will be using the same offensive line that we used the end of last season.

Thomlinson will be a year older and was showing signs of decline last year.

McKnight will also be a year older and was showing signs of improvement last year.

I can think of multiple teams with a better top pair, with the Eagles (Jackson/Maclin) being one example, several teams that are at the Holmes/Mason level, and a team or two that will be in the conversation if highly drafted rookie picks work out.

Agree here.

Brunell is done. I'd take Hoyer over him at this point, absolutely without question.

Agreed again.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's why Muhammad Wilkerson was drafted. Also, Ropati Pitoitua is healthy this year. He has been replaced pretty easily, outside of his one great performance against the Patriots (albeit, some of it coverage sacks).

Your argument is a hope. The Jets hope Ellis will be easily replaced. It's similar to the Patriots D-line, where the Patriots hope that bringing in a gazillion D-linemen will lead to improvement. There's nothing wrong with the hope but, if you're striving for a non-biased position as that other Jets' poster was claiming, there's no definitive answer here yet, for either team.

Hunter is not as good as Woody, but he proved to certainly be capable of replacing him. We will be using the same offensive line that we used the end of last season.

And that line now has film that can be used against it, with Slauson and Hunter both be needing help, putting additional pressure on the rest of the line. Sanchez' escapability will negate some of the problems against poor pass rushing teams, but a good one will be able to exploit those matchups unless both players improve significantly. That'll be similar to the Patriots situation at RG, although the Patriots should be better able to scheme help for that one position than the Jets having to do it for two spots.

McKnight will also be a year older and was showing signs of improvement last year.

You might be right, although I was just putting forth a scenario to show one way to justify the other poster's claim in response to the "how could you possibly?" question. I'm not a big fan of either Greene or McKnight, but maybe they'll show me something this year.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

What about what you lost on the rest of your defense? Jason Taylor, Drew Coleman? I was going to mention Gholston, but I think that is addition by subtraction.



How much help did Hunter get? From what I saw, a lot. Will the Jets be able to afford to give him that much help?



Cause Tomlinson is a year older



Mason from 5 years ago might have made that a good 1-2 punch, but now? Mason is, at best, a short yardage possession receiver. Losing Edwards, Cotchery, and Brad Smith is a huge loss for the Jets. You saying otherwise is just being a homer.




You are talking out your ass here. Sorry. The claim that your team would still win 10/11 games without Sanchez is just bogus. Since you forgot, the Pats won 11 games with Matt Cassel as the QB. Hoyer is at least as good as Cassel was at the time.




Calvin Pace missed 4 games with a broken foot? You mean the same 4 games he served his suspension?

Cotchery missing 2 games isn't squat.

Holmes being out for his suspension is not an injury...

Yes, you were without Woody and Leonhard. Those were the only major injuries the Jets suffered last year. As you said earlier, Jenkins missed the entire season. You can't have it both ways.

The Pats lost Mike Wright, Gerard Warren and Myron Prior last year. Add to that, Kevin Faulk, Stephen Neal, and Stephen Gostkowski.



The Pot calling the kettle black there. You haven't been objective either.



What are the chances that a young defense gets even better? I would say good to excellent.

What are the chances that BJGE doesn't fumble? Excellent. Since he's not done so since before High School. BTW, Woodhead fumbled twice last year. Will he do so again? Maybe, maybe not.

But, one of the things about the Turnover differential that you over-look is that Brady only threw 4 interceptions. Compared to Sanchez's 13.

And while Sanchez may have Holmes, Mason, Burress and Keller they don't compare to OchoCinco, Branch, Welker, Gostkowski, and Hernandez.

-Turner received minimal help along the offensive line. Callahan and Rex both mentioned, they trusted him at RT, so I don't know what you were watching or where you saw this
-LT is a year older, but now Greene has the reins on offense and will carry the main load. Greene is a MUCH better back at LT at this point in his career. You can make the case our backs will be more productive than last year
-I wasn't aware catching 800+ yards every season with a 13.1 clip per catch last year means you're a short term receiver. Please. Plus, I admitted our receiving corps are slightly worse than last year, so you're misrepresenting my argument. Also, Smith did jack**** receiving. He will be missed as a wildcat/kick returner, not a receiver, so check your facts.
-This is laughable. Since Hoyer has never started a 16 game season, you CANNOT possibly make the case that Hoyer would be as efficient as Cassel. I can absolutely make this claim. Sanchez won 10/11 games with WELL BELOW QB stats. If Brunell comes in and puts up those same stats (look at his career numbers and tell me he can't), or better, we get better QB play, so you're wrong here as well.
-Wrong again. Pace missed 4 games with the broken foot last year, the suspension was the year before
-Thank you Capt. obvious. I put that in to show that our #1 receiver missed a quarter of the season. Not an injury, but still missed time.
-Jenkins was a top 5-7 NT in the league. Losing him for the entire season is absolutely a huge blow. How can you say otherwise?
-Why do you keep mentioning the Pats injuries and other Pats comparisons. This wasn't the crux of my argument at all. These are all straw men arguments and are all irrelevant. I was simply pointing out that the poster said the Jets have been practically injury free which is laughable.
-The turnover differential had nothing to do with Brady, or the Jets. Again, another strawmen used by you. It was to show the chances of you repeating the best turnover differential in the history of the NFL, is almost slim to none.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

Ellis was a starter for the Jets. You can call him a below average DE all you want, but he was better than the Jets alternatives. Until someone shows they can replace him, it's a loss.



Hunter was not as good as Woody. What happens going forward should be interesting, because the Jets now have two weak spots on the O-line instead of one, and that's tougher to scheme protections with, especially because teams will now have the film to look at.



Thomlinson will be a year older and was showing signs of decline last year.



I can think of multiple teams with a better top pair, with the Eagles (Jackson/Maclin) being one example, several teams that are at the Holmes/Mason level, and a team or two that will be in the conversation if highly drafted rookie picks work out.



Brunell is done. I'd take Hoyer over him at this point, absolutely without question.

-What two weak spots? They don't have any. You and the other poster, made your case for Hunter, but he did a fantastic job in 8+ games for Woody last year. What is the other player you're talking about, Slauson? Also had a great year. We have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL for a reason. All 5 players are solid, not just Mangold and brick.
-LT is old and did show signs of decline. I won't argue that. Thats why the Jets appropriately shifted him to be the 3rd down back this year
-There are multiple teams with better 1+2. That doesn't mean our 1+2 suck. Its still top 10-12 in the league.
-Again, I would take Hoyer over Brunell as well. It doesn't mean Brunell sucks. Brunell is average at best at this point. My point is with an elite o-line, good RB tandems, and good WR corp, he can afford to come in and just be a game manager; not turn the ball over, make the short completions, and our offense would jsut be as efficient (our offense is usually ranked between 15-22nd anyway, so again, Brunell coming in, it wouldn't regress that much, if at all).

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

This is good banter though. I do love conversing with fans of other teams. And to the original post, I've written off the Bills, but I do think the Fins can be somewhat good because of their defense. They were atrocious at home last year and still finished 8-8 I think.

 

[Deus Irae]

-What two weak spots? They don't have any. You and the other poster, made your case for Hunter, but he did a fantastic job in 8+ games for Woody last year. What is the other player you're talking about, Slauson? Also had a great year. We have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL for a reason. All 5 players are solid, not just Mangold and brick.

I'm sorry. If you can't admit that Slauson and Hunter were weaknesses, you've got no business claiming to be objective or unbiased. Some things are just obvious. Moving forward this year, it's possible that they'll both be improved enough that it won't be a fair characterization, just as it's possible that the same will be true for Connolly at RG for the Patriots. Until it's seen, though, you can't just make the claim if you're trying to be objective/unbiased.

-LT is old and did show signs of decline. I won't argue that. Thats why the Jets appropriately shifted him to be the 3rd down back this year

LdT's decline is a clear way for the Jets running game to decline. I'm not saying that it will, just that it may. It was an easy, and obvious, way to answer the question you posed: "We have the same RB as last year, so how can you possibly make the point we got worse at RB?" If LdT declines, and Greene doesn't improve, the Jets running game could be worse at RB.

-There are multiple teams with better 1+2. That doesn't mean our 1+2 suck. Its still top 10-12 in the league.

I didn't say your 1+2 sucked. I responded to your claim "Holmes and Mason are as good a 1-2 punch as you'll find in the NFL.". That's simply not true. If you're going to claim you're not biased, you can't be making such statements and expect not to be called on them.

-Again, I would take Hoyer over Brunell as well. It doesn't mean Brunell sucks. Brunell is average at best at this point. My point is with an elite o-line, good RB tandems, and good WR corp, he can afford to come in and just be a game manager; not turn the ball over, make the short completions, and our offense would jsut be as efficient (our offense is usually ranked between 15-22nd anyway, so again, Brunell coming in, it wouldn't regress that much, if at all).

Brunell was declining even in Washington. I almost want to agree with you that Brunell coming in for Sanchez wouldn't be much of a drop, but that's because Sanchez is a bottom tier QB to date, not because Brunell's still good. Unfortunately, that would be me needling you, which probably isn't a fair thing to do at this point. As poor a starting QB as Sanchez has been to this point, he's still miles ahead of Brunell, who's probably a 3rd string QB at this point.

 

[JetsfaninPeace]

I'm sorry. If you can't admit that Slauson and Hunter were weaknesses, you've got no business claiming to be objective or unbiased. Some things are just obvious. Moving forward this year, it's possible that they'll both be improved enough that it won't be a fair characterization, just as it's possible that the same will be true for Connolly at RG for the Patriots. Until it's seen, though, you can't just make the claim if you're trying to be objective/unbiased.



LdT's decline is a clear way for the Jets running game to decline. I'm not saying that it will, just that it may. It was an easy, and obvious, way to answer the question you posed: "We have the same RB as last year, so how can you possibly make the point we got worse at RB?" If LdT declines, and Greene doesn't improve, the Jets running game could be worse at RB.



I didn't say your 1+2 sucked. I responded to your claim "Holmes and Mason are as good a 1-2 punch as you'll find in the NFL.". That's simply not true. If you're going to claim you're not biased, you can't be making such statements and expect not to be called on them.



Brunell was declining even in Washington. I almost want to agree with you that Brunell coming in for Sanchez wouldn't be much of a drop, but that's because Sanchez is a bottom tier QB to date, not because Brunell's still good. Unfortunately, that would be me needling you, which probably isn't a fair thing to do at this point. As poor a starting QB as Sanchez has been to this point, he's still miles ahead of Brunell, who's probably a 3rd string QB at this point.

--LOL this is laughable again. You point out that they suck, but by what means? Show me a stat that says they allow a tremendous amount of sacks? We have a top 5 running game every year, we're known for having the best offensive line in the NFL, yet you want to sit here and proclaim 2/5 of our line have no business being NFL starters. I'm not even talking about this year, I'm talking about last year. Both were well above average at what they were doing. Hysterical you can say otherwise without offering any proof.
--Ok, I can agree with this. You didn't mention anything about Greene originally though. But I agree, if Greene shows no improvement (not fumbling, remaining durable) then ya our RB as a whole will decline. Greenes already a good back though, he just hasn't been given the opportunity to start, except the playoffs, where he's excelled.
--They are a great 1+2 though, I agree I probably should have phrased it better. Find me a list of 1+2 that can each put up 800+ on their own. I doubt it goes more than 10 deep, putting our 1+2 at worst, well above average.
--Right, I stated that. Sanchez has put up below avg regular season numbers. So Brunell coming in, wouldn't lead to much of a drop off. Unlike the Pats, where you would get a significant dropoff if you went from to Hoyer. I don't see how thats even debatable. That whole quote started cause the OP stated the Jets have no depth at QB, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I was strictly going off numbers, not potential. Sanchez has a ton of potential, Brunell at this point has like negative potential. I'm hoping this is the year where Sanchez becomes the player we envisioned when we drafted him.

Your posts there were all fine and sound, except the OL which just makes little sense to me. I should have phrased what I said a tad bit better. I like this board though. Very active.

 

[BradyFTW!]

--LOL this is laughable again. You point out that they suck, but by what means? Show me a stat that says they allow a tremendous amount of sacks? We have a top 5 running game every year, we're known for having the best offensive line in the NFL, yet you want to sit here and proclaim 2/5 of our line have no business being NFL starters. I'm not even talking about this year, I'm talking about last year. Both were well above average at what they were doing. Hysterical you can say otherwise without offering any proof.

By who, other Jets fans? Two years ago, with Faneca and Woody there, that might have been the case. Now it just isn't, and saying that your line is "known as the best in the NFL" isn't going to change that. If you want to bring statistics into it, I can show you plenty of statistics that indicate that the Pats' line is better, for however much or little that's worth.

It's not much different than the Pats' line, really. We could definitely stand to upgrade at RG and C, but that doesn't stop the pass protection from being statistically at the top of the league every year. Every team has plenty of spots that it can and should be looking to upgrade.

As for the original poll, I won't worry about Miami as long as Henne is the QB. The Bills worry me a little more, since Fitzpatrick showed the ability to run a pretty effective offense last year, but I still don't feel at all threatened by them.

 

[Deus Irae]

--LOL this is laughable again. You point out that they suck, but by what means? Show me a stat that says they allow a tremendous amount of sacks? We have a top 5 running game every year, we're known for having the best offensive line in the NFL, yet you want to sit here and proclaim 2/5 of our line have no business being NFL starters. I'm not even talking about this year, I'm talking about last year. Both were well above average at what they were doing. Hysterical you can say otherwise without offering any proof.

First, claiming that both were well above average is just not accurate.

Second, I didn't say that they sucked. I said that they were weaknesses. They were, just as Connolly was.

Third, stats can be misleading, and you didn't provide any to defend your position either, since "top 5 running game" doesn't mean that individual players are awesome. The Patriots allowed the 4th fewest sacks in the NFL last year, and were 10th in rushing average. That doesn't necessarily mean that the offensive linemen were all awesome. Sometimes it means that a team was able to scheme to make up for deficiencies, or that the QB was good enough to make up for problems, or that there was a lot of luck involved, etc... The Colts allowed the fewest sacks last season, yet their line's been an issue for years, and their first two draft picks this season were a pair of offensive tackles.

--They are a great 1+2 though, I agree I probably should have phrased it better. Find me a list of 1+2 that can each put up 800+ on their own. I doubt it goes more than 10 deep, putting our 1+2 at worst, well above average.

I'm not going to go hunting down statistical lists. Again, they don't tell the whole story. I like the Mason signing, and I think they needed to bring Holmes back. I'm just not buying them as some Uber duo. They might be #1 in the division, and they might be #3, depending upon how you're looking at top pairs. Johnson/Welker and Marshall/Bess might well be better duos.

--Right, I stated that. Sanchez has put up below avg regular season numbers. So Brunell coming in, wouldn't lead to much of a drop off. Unlike the Pats, where you would get a significant dropoff if you went from to Hoyer. I don't see how thats even debatable. That whole quote started cause the OP stated the Jets have no depth at QB, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I was strictly going off numbers, not potential. Sanchez has a ton of potential, Brunell at this point has like negative potential. I'm hoping this is the year where Sanchez becomes the player we envisioned when we drafted him.

I just don't think Brunell has anything left at all, and I think we've seen that in his appearances post-Skins. It's not that there's not a huge drop from Brady to Hoyer, it's that there's also a huge drop from Sanchez to Brunell, and the Jets need a QB that can at least keep the wolves at bay so that the running game can have success, while the Patriots have enough weapons that a #2 guy should be able to play for a game or two before opponents can really close him down.

Your posts there were all fine and sound, except the OL which just makes little sense to me. I should have phrased what I said a tad bit better. I like this board though. Very active.

Welcome to the board. Just be prepared for some here who give Jets fans no welcome at all, and don't let that get to you.

 

[TheSolderKing]

Baltimore will be


we have Pitts#



my rank of AFC


PATS 1
Ravens 2
Pittsburgh 3
JETS 4
Colts 5




the JETS are of no consequence to me b/c they lack firepower to defeat us in the present. Sanchez has 2nd worst completion percentage and Jimmy Clausen had worst. The Jets claim they will "AIR IT OUT". I really hope you guys do and you will learn that your QB ain't as hot shi t as you think he is. You are 0-2 in the biggest games of your life and with this new REVAMPED team I know you are in serious trouble Just imagine if we get a Haynesworth that is fairly comparable to the 1 in Tennessee. He doesn't have to be that Tennessee guy. If w get even close to 1/2 that guy watch the hell out. Vince and Albert right next to each other?
Our offensive line looks to be a Juggernaut an the best we have had dating back to 2001.

 

[BradyFTW!]

--They are a great 1+2 though, I agree I probably should have phrased it better. Find me a list of 1+2 that can each put up 800+ on their own. I doubt it goes more than 10 deep, putting our 1+2 at worst, well above average.

The following teams essentially meet your criteria and have a 1-2 punch at WR that is better than, or at least on par with, the Jets':

Green Bay (Greg Jennings, Donald Driver)
Houston (Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter)
Baltimore (Anquan Boldin, Lee Evans)
Kansas City (Dwayne Bowe, Steve Breaston)
Miami (Brandon Marshall, Davone Bess)
New England (Chad Ochocinco, Wes Welker)
New Orleans (Marques Colston, Lance Moore)
Giants (Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham)
Philadelphia (Desean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin)
Pittsburgh (Mike Wallace, Hines Ward)
Detroit (Calvin Johnson, Nate Burleson)
Denver (Brandon Lloyd, Eddie Royal)
San Diego (Vincent Jackson, Malcolm Floyd)

The following teams have a 1+2 combo that will meet that criteria this year, and are currently better than the Jets' 1+2:

Atlanta (Roddy White, Julio Jones)
San Francisco (Braylon Edwards, Michael Crabtree)
Dallas (Miles Austin, Dez Bryant)

The following teams meet your 800 yard criteria, although I don't think they're as good as the Jets' 1-2:
Chicago (Johnny Knox, Roy Williams)
Indy (Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon)
Minnesota (Percy Harvin, Bernard Berrian)
Washington (Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong)
St. Louis, assuming they re-sign Clayton (Mark Clayton, Mike Sims-Walker)

The bottom line is that the Jets have pretty much a league-average 1+2 at WR.