I don't usually pile on BOB, but...

[Keyser Söze]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

Did you really need to make another thread? Especially for a topic that could go in about 5 other threads?

 

[JoeShmoe]

I agree with this for the most part, but

2. You absolutely have to be capable or willing to run it AT SOME POINT, or you make a guy like Ryan's job about 110% easier. THAT was his gameplan--no Spy-ever, and let 2-3 Dlinemen futilely chase him around for 15 seconds while all his receivers futilely run around trying to get open against a 9 man secondary. At some point he has to do something with the ball.

Rex has to laughing his ass off that he was able to play a 9 man zone at times, or double cover every single one of Brady's targets in man.

Agree 100%

 

[Brady'sGOAT]

Whats most/odd worrying is how they didnt know that was how the Jets would play, it's what they did against the colts. So if you run 7 DB's and cover the centre of the field, go 5 wide in shotgun, use the draw etc. We should be good enough at that after 07/08 - indeed when we did use it finally in the third quarter we scored

The Jets knew we'd run the 2TE set over and over and were confident of stopping the rub, so just sat back there

Gronk and Hernandez should have been used far more

TE's were invisible other than Crumpler

 

[upstater1]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

It was OK, as long as they scored a TD.

Furthermore, if Brady had thrown to the end zone or away instead of throwing to Welker in the flat right before the 2 minute warning, the Patriots would not have had to do an onsides kick, and they would have gotten the ball back from the Jets with 1:30 seconds left.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

Here's how I felt our chances were as the game went on:

Opening Kickoff- 90%
Brady's Interception- 50%
Folk's Missed Field Goal- 90%
Crumpler's Drop- 50%
Tomlinson's TD- 40%
Chung's Gaffe- 20%
Edwards' TD- 10%
First Drive of Second Half Stuffed- 5%
TD/2 pt conversion- 10%
Holmes' TD- 2%
Seeing them stall on that drive- 1%

So, in essence, according to my statistics, they dropped from a 2% to a 1% chance of winning the game at that point.

Yes, I'm half-kidding. But the drive was a result of all entire mental beatdown of that game and ensuing timidness. They had already lost, and it was obvious. I'm glad they at least got a field goal.

 

[QuinielaBox]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

Here's how I felt our chances were as the game went on:

Opening Kickoff- 90%
Brady's Interception- 50%
Folk's Missed Field Goal- 90%
Crumpler's Drop- 50%
Tomlinson's TD- 40%
Chung's Gaffe- 20%
Edwards' TD- 10%
First Drive of Second Half Stuffed- 5%
TD/2 pt conversion- 10%
Holmes' TD- 2%
Seeing them stall on that drive- 1%

So, in essence, according to my statistics, they dropped from a 2% to a 1% chance of winning the game at that point.

Yes, I'm half-kidding. But the drive was a result of all entire mental beatdown of that game and ensuing timidness. They had already lost, and it was obvious. I'm glad they at least got a field goal.

No I think that is pretty accurate. The game was pretty much lost on the Chung's blunder which led to a 14-3 deficit that not even the J000 can screw up.

Let's see Brady doesn't throw the Red Zone Pick and they get 3 points (Pats 3-0).
J000 gets a three and out - Brady brings em back down the field (Pats 6-0)
J000 gets their 2nd qtr driver (J000 7-6 at the half)
Pats get their 3rd qtr drive and convert 2 pt-er (Pats 14 - 7 at the end of 3 Q's)
J000 comes back with Santonio Holmes (Game tied at 14-14)
Pats go on the GW FG drive (Pats win 17-14 and move on).

Yep - The game changed on the 1st Q Brady pick and the Chung Blunder......

Lack of patience is what killed us yesterday - hopefully we all learned something. Defense gave up two scores so that was not the problem. I think they can get better. The offense is more of a concern with the line play.

 

[Rossmci90]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

That drive to me feels like this. I don't feel like it lost the game, but i feel like it cost the team a realistic chance of getting back in front.

 

[Deus Irae]

On top of that, does anybody still want to make an argument for why we don't need to improve our interior blocking (specifically C and RG)? The Jets were getting pressure up the middle all day and that man was typically being blocked by Koppen or Connolly.

Connolly needs to be a backup. If they want him to be a starter, let him convert to FB and start there.

 

[Mikkins]

Totally agree. O'Brein failed to adjust for the play of the Jets. First they were throwing the timing off by chipping receivers off the line of scrimmage. Thats why you saw Brady throw the ball and it going by the intended receiver who had not even turned around yet. That same thing caused the interception Brady was throwing to where the receiver should have been but was unable to release to get to the spot on time.

OBrien failed to counter the the Jets clogging the middle of the field. He kept the formations tight for the most part. Spread offense would have elevated that pressure giving the wide receivers space to move. These receivers are small and quick designed to exploit miss matches by gaining space and running after the catch. The best situation for Woodhead is to take draws from a spread offense. This was rarely done last night.

Clock management, pace of the game, lack of situational awareness were issues as well. O'Brien was forced to change the system due to the loss of Moss. It was obvious long before Moss was let go that system wasn't working. Back then we were complaining about adjustment not being made. Then they had success after the change was done and all was good because they really never needed to make offensive adjustments at the half. There was no need. Come playoff time O'Brien cant or isnt willing to adjust the offense just like earlier in the season.

Face it O'Brien may not be sole reason they lost yesterday. There is plenty to go around. Dropped balls, Brady maybe not making the correct adjustments he is responsible for and so on but he has been an issue in the past and continues to be a liability now and will be in the future.

There, I vented. I feel better cant wait till next year.

 

[Fencer]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

I would have liked to see each play being run at least a few seconds faster. I don't know why QBs feel they always have to let the play clock run down unless they're in full hurry-up mode.

 

[UofApatsfan]

TE's were invisible other than Crumpler

Yeah um Gronk led the team in receiving yards so not sure where that came from. It's a lot harder to get the tight ends involved when you start Woodhead and don't try to establish any running game with BJGE early on that might open up play action and get favorable matchups for the tight ends.

 

[Mikkins]

P.S.
And another thing......

The tempo of the play was way to slow. Having 9 men in the backfield on defense means there are nine people who need to sort out who they are covering or what they are responsible for. Standing at the line of scrimmage waiting till the last second to snap the ball gives them time to do it. (This was a major problem earlier in the season. Brady standing in the shot gun pointing out the Mike while the defense giving the defense time to settle down and think of what their job is that play.) They should have played hurry up offense once they saw that this was the Jets game plan to stop substitutions and create confusion on the other side of the ball.

IMHO

 

[UofApatsfan]

Connolly needs to be a backup.

So does Koppen. He was terrible in the regular season prior to Mankins coming back and has been terrible in the last 3 playoff games.

 

[Kontradiction]

Connolly needs to be a backup. If they want him to be a starter, let him convert to FB and start there.

Of course he needs to be the back-up. Anybody that thought he should be the starter from the get-go just got a reminder of why he shouldn't have been. I'm hoping to see Pouncey or someone else lining up at RG for the New England Patriots next season. I'm also hoping to see someone else lining up at C for us as well. Having an actual fullback would be a welcome sight, I agree.

Offseason wish list for the O-Line...

1. Re-sign Mankins.
2. Sign Light.
3. Draft Pouncey.
4. Draft a C.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yeah um Gronk led the team in receiving yards so not sure where that came from. It's a lot harder to get the tight ends involved when you start Woodhead and don't try to establish any running game with BJGE early on that might open up play action and get favorable matchups for the tight ends.

This is one of the biggest problems I had with O'Brien yesterday, and it was a problem I had in Week 2 when we lost to the Jets. You have a defense that's playing man coverage. They are dropping a safety down into the box early and often. You HAVE to burn up the seam with the TE's (specifically Gronk) at all costs. The running game wasn't working with Woodhead yesterday until the fourth quarter. Why we kept trying it, I'll never know.

 

[ATippett56]

Offseason wish list for the O-Line...

1. Re-sign Mankins.
2. Sign Light.
3. Draft Pouncey.
4. Draft a C.

Pouncey or Wisniewski should be available with the first pick in the second round of the 2011 NFL Draft, according to NFL Draft Scout.

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[UofApatsfan]

Of course he needs to be the back-up. Anybody that thought he should be the starter from the get-go just got a reminder of why he shouldn't have been. I'm hoping to see Pouncey or someone else lining up at RG for the New England Patriots next season. I'm also hoping to see someone else lining up at C for us as well. Having an actual fullback would be a welcome sight, I agree.

Offseason wish list for the O-Line...

1. Re-sign Mankins.
2. Sign Light.
3. Draft Pouncey.
4. Draft a C.

ESPN has Pouncey listed at C and I thought he was a guard.....since you're the Florida fan I'll ask you is he capable of making a transition to center and being as good as his brother? I completely agree that they need to an early pick on a Connolly or Koppen replacement, but if Pouncey is gonna play guard he might not be worth a first rounder. At this point though it might be best to just draft both Pouncey and Wisnieski and stick whichever one is the worse C at RG.

 

[RHbT76]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

I have 2 problems with that drive

1. A complete lack of urgency. I understand the idea behind running the ball in that situation (though when you look at how easily they moved the ball through the air after that I wonder if it was necessary) but it seemed like we were running the playclock down on every play.

2. The 3rd-13 / 4-13 end of the drive. We were down by ten and spent 7:45 getting to the Jets 34, why not kick a freaking FG here instead of going for it on 4th and 13? Just another bizarre decision by the patriots.

DRIVE TOTALS: NYJ 21, NE 11, 14 plays, 48 yards, 7:45 elapsed

 

[drew4008]

Re: How do you feel about The 4th quarter 7 minute drive

Doesn't really matter. Somehow, from the moment Alge missed that TD, our offense collapsed. I'm not saying it was his fault, I'm just saying that seemed to be the moment.

We drove down there before the Brady INT, which was just terrible by him... look at the replay, not even close. And then we drove down again fairly easily and had to settle for a FG. But after that it was just drive after drive of nothing-ness. And THIS is where the game was lost.

We had all these chances, and kept having to punt without getting anything going. I just didn't get it. We should've had at least 17 points going into halftime, if not 21. And that ruined us for the second half, and the D got even more tired.

 

[Kontradiction]

ESPN has Pouncey listed at C and I thought he was a guard.....since you're the Florida fan I'll ask you is he capable of making a transition to center and being as good as his brother? I completely agree that they need to an early pick on a Connolly or Koppen replacement, but if Pouncey is gonna play guard he might not be worth a first rounder. At this point though it might be best to just draft both Pouncey and Wisnieski and stick whichever one is the worse C at RG.

Pouncey moved to center after his brother left Florida and was drafted by the Steelers. Trust me when I say that you do NOT want Pouncey at center. A big part of Florida's offensive issues this year were the snaps from center to QB. A lot of times the snap was high (even snapping it over Brantley's head a lot of times) and it threw off the timing of the offense. Pouncey is a natural RG and the only reason he's listed at center is because that was the position he played (poorly) this year. Put him at RG and our running game instantly improves on the right side.