Rod Woodson and Jamie Dukes laugh at Tom Brady

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Tom Brady's career stats

118 INTs
115 WINS

Doesn't seem that impressive? Do some research and try to find a quarterback that's played 7+ years and is even in the same stratosphere (hint: you won't find him because he doesn't exist and probably will never exist again.)

Dan Marino's prolific passing stats- 5% of all pass attempts are TDs
Tom Brady's meager passing stats- 5.3% of pass attempts are TDs

Tom Brady's pro-bowl talent: Randy Moss (2), Wes Welker (1), Troy Brown (1), Corey Dillon (1). Six total.

Peyton Manning's pro-bowl talent: Marvin Harrison (8), Reggie Wayne (4), Edgerrin James (4),Joseph Addai (1), Marshall Faulk (1), Dallas Clark (1). Nineteen total.

Tom Brady's two seasons with Randy Moss, the only true #1 receiver he's ever played had: 78 TDs, 21 INTs

Tom Brady's Super Bowl stats: 4 games, 1001 yards, 7 TDs ,1 INT
John Elway's Super Bowls stats: 5 games, 1128 yards, 3 TDs, 8 INTs

Tom Brady easily has a better TD:INT ratio than all of the following modern day players:

Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Dan Marino
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Donovan McNabb
(basically everyone except Ken Anderson and a couple of others who didn't put up a lot of TDs)


Yeah, he just doesn't have the stats (rolls eyes)

There's Brady, Manning, and Montana, and then there's everyone else.

 

[Brady2Welker]

NFL Videos: Tom Brady ranked No. 21 of all time



They have the video up, in case anyone wants to see

 

[Raymond]

They can laugh all they want. Brady is still amassing his legacy and rings. Oh and he also has piles and piles of cash that jamierod will never have.

 

[Brady2Welker]

NFL Videos: Tom Brady ranked No. 21 of all time



They have the video up, in case anyone wants to see

Jamie Dukes is an idiot, and refuses to even get on the same debate.


Tom Brady isn't the best pure passer of all time, anyone can see that, but he is probably the greatest QB in terms of leadership, dedication, and other intangibles.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Jamie Dukes is an idiot, and refuses to even get on the same debate.


Tom Brady isn't the best pure passer of all time, anyone can see that, but he is probably the greatest QB in terms of leadership, dedication, and other intangibles.

A lot of the great "pure passers" make tons of mistakes because they fail to embrace the risk-reward of threading the needle. Dan Marino and Brett Favre come to mind as stubborn players. Stats show that a low INT% is a greater correlation to winning than any other indicator. I must say, this is why Manning is so great, and rare. He does not make a lot of mistakes, but you see a lot of incredible passes.

Brady does not take the same risks as a lot of these guys, but his accuracy and arm strength is second to... who? You don't see a ton of incredible "no one else can make that pass" plays. You also rarely, and I mean very rarely, see a "what was he thinking!?" play.

It all boils down to this when I consider Brady versus Manning. Both players have had some very good opportunities to win Super Bowls. Manning has had some very good defenses and lots of talent and great coaching; he's had all the puzzle pieces during about 5-6 seasons in the prime of his career. I'd say Brady is probably about the same in terms of having the tools to win. Brady has three; Manning has one. I don't think anyone can argue that Brady is a better passer, or can change a game like Manning, but I also think it's foolish to argue that Manning's shortcomings are solely due to defense and supporting cast.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Tom Brady's career stats

118 INTs
115 WINS

Doesn't seem that impressive? Do some research and try to find a quarterback that's played 7+ years and is even in the same stratosphere (hint: you won't find him because he doesn't exist and probably will never exist again.)

Dan Marino's prolific passing stats- 5% of all pass attempts are TDs
Tom Brady's meager passing stats- 5.3% of pass attempts are TDs

Tom Brady's pro-bowl talent: Randy Moss (2), Wes Welker (1), Troy Brown (1), Corey Dillon (1). Six total.

Peyton Manning's pro-bowl talent: Marvin Harrison (8), Reggie Wayne (4), Edgerrin James (4),Joseph Addai (1), Marshall Faulk (1), Dallas Clark (1). Nineteen total.

Tom Brady's two seasons with Randy Moss, the only true #1 receiver he's ever played had: 78 TDs, 21 INTs

Tom Brady's Super Bowl stats: 4 games, 1001 yards, 7 TDs ,1 INT
John Elway's Super Bowls stats: 5 games, 1128 yards, 3 TDs, 8 INTs

Tom Brady easily has a better TD:INT ratio than all of the following modern day players:

Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Dan Marino
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Donovan McNabb
(basically everyone except Ken Anderson and a couple of others who didn't put up a lot of TDs)


Yeah, he just doesn't have the stats (rolls eyes)

There's Brady, Manning, and Montana, and then there's everyone else.

nice job on the stats!

however, i wouldn't put manning in the same category. manning imo has had the best receivers of any qb in nfl history - with the exception of perhaps joe montana. think about it, who else has had receivers like reggie wayne, dallas clarke, marvin harrison and now pierre garcon, austin collie, etc. manning pads his stats by throwing to WIDE OPEN receivers. he is not that great of a qb in throwing in traffic.

 

[shmessy]

Brady is only 60% into his career. Maybe they should be holding their judgement for seven years......ooops, of course, they won't be on TV then.

He'll be playing in the NFL long after Woodson and Dukes are out of television.

How 'bout THAT for perspective?

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

A QB that can win the big games is underrated if anything. Haters Hate. Nobody likes a player or organization that has a winning tradition.



Dynasty

Ditto! Well said

 

[Fixit]

Not only does Brady have more rings than Elway, but his stats are so much better it isn't funny.

 

[alvinnf]

Opinions differ, that's why they are opinions....... Rod is obviously still mad at Neal Odonell. I am sure he would'nt have rather had Tom during nut cuttin time. I know one CB who would'nt want Tom that day, Larry Brown.....

 

[shmessy]

Tom Brady's career stats

118 INTs
115 WINS

Doesn't seem that impressive? Do some research and try to find a quarterback that's played 7+ years and is even in the same stratosphere (hint: you won't find him because he doesn't exist and probably will never exist again.)

Dan Marino's prolific passing stats- 5% of all pass attempts are TDs
Tom Brady's meager passing stats- 5.3% of pass attempts are TDs

Tom Brady's pro-bowl talent: Randy Moss (2), Wes Welker (1), Troy Brown (1), Corey Dillon (1). Six total.

Peyton Manning's pro-bowl talent: Marvin Harrison (8), Reggie Wayne (4), Edgerrin James (4),Joseph Addai (1), Marshall Faulk (1), Dallas Clark (1). Nineteen total.

Tom Brady's two seasons with Randy Moss, the only true #1 receiver he's ever played had: 78 TDs, 21 INTs

Tom Brady's Super Bowl stats: 4 games, 1001 yards, 7 TDs ,1 INT
John Elway's Super Bowls stats: 5 games, 1128 yards, 3 TDs, 8 INTs

Tom Brady easily has a better TD:INT ratio than all of the following modern day players:

Peyton Manning
Brett Favre
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Dan Marino
Ben Roethlisberger
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Donovan McNabb
(basically everyone except Ken Anderson and a couple of others who didn't put up a lot of TDs)


Yeah, he just doesn't have the stats (rolls eyes)

There's Brady, Manning, and Montana, and then there's everyone else.

....and, of course, there is always 101-31 (and counting).

 

[RodThePat]

John Elway gets a lot of love because he "carried the Broncos on his back to 5 SuperBowls". What I find funny is how much he stunk in every single one of those games, and that it took Terrell Davis having two ridiculous seasons for him to finally get a ring. I won't even mention stats in Elway's case because those are overwhelmingly on Brady's side.

As far as Marino goes, the whole "never had a good defense or running game" spiel is just a myth. Truth is the guy could amass yards and touchdowns, but still was very turnover prone and couldn't crank it up in big games.

People talk of Brady as if he isn't in the same stratosphere as those guys as far as stats go, but that is simply untrue. He is as prolific a passer as anyone has ever been, and his abillity to avoid mistakes is second to none. He hasn't thrown for the same amount of TDs and yards, but that is simply because he's played fewer games. For example, Elway played for 16 seasons, Brady is in his eighth right now.

 

[upstater1]

Brady's stats are better than Elway's because Elway couldn't hit the broadside of the barn for many games. That guy had less touch than any QB I've ever seen. He use to drill balls into the turf on a simple out pattern. Incredibly inaccurate passer.

He was a leader though, and he had excellent running skills.

When he lost something off his fastball, he finally became a good passer. I have to admit that he threw the ball really really well during the seasons that he won those super bowls, but prior to that the guy was not very good.

 

[RodThePat]

Brady's stats are better than Elway's because Elway couldn't hit the broadside of the barn for many games. That guy had less touch than any QB I've ever seen. He use to drill balls into the turf on a simple out pattern. Incredibly inaccurate passer.

He was a leader though, and he had excellent running skills.

When he lost something off his fastball, he finally became a good passer. I have to admit that he threw the ball really really well during the seasons that he won those super bowls, but prior to that the guy was not very good.

Elway was one of the most hyped quarterback prospects ever, coming out of college. Couple that with some career defining moments, like "The Drive" and his big arm and gutsy style of play and it's easy to see why people love him. He just wasn't as good a quarterback as people say.

 

[upstater1]

Rod Woodson played 1 game against Tom Brady in 2002. That year, Tom Brady played with a separated shoulder.

Brady went 18-30 for 182 yards and the Patriots won by a TD.

So, based on that performance, Woodson makes his ridiculous statement.

 

[bradydaman29]

Another good stat I like about Brady is his overtime wins/losses. They flashed it during the Ravens game, I think it's like 8 and 1 now or something ridiculous. Not sure where you guys get that great stat info you provide, but I'd like to see how the "real good" qbs measure up in overtime. My guess, it's Brady, then Montana - the two that I would pick if I had to score in the final minutes of a game.

 

[pats63]

those 2 are just idiots....they pissed that Brady has done more in a short time then them....as for elway or marino weren't there pick in 1st round....Tom "rings" Brady was what????6th round....and don't for Giessle...that the real reason

 

[PittPatriot]

Elway was one of the most hyped quarterback prospects ever, coming out of college. Couple that with some career defining moments, like "The Drive" and his big arm and gutsy style of play and it's easy to see why people love him. He just wasn't as good a quarterback as people say.

It is the same phenomenon with Favre...people who love Favre for the cowboy attitude and gunslinger style will always love him.

When you add it all up, I find my self thinking the "top tier" of GOATs in no specific order is Montana, Peyton, and TB.
Marino and Elway (to me) are a slight step down.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I'm guessing they slept through 2007 where he had the single greatest season for a QB ever.

Or 2006 where he almost took a team with Reche Caldwell as the leading reciever to the super bowl.

 

[pdangle]

I agree, those two are tools. But what I fail to see in all these QB discussions are decade/era adjustments. I don't even know who it helps or hurts. But if pass% is now 57% and was only 53% then, then that must be adjusted for if making direct comparisons. This is why rings is an easy way to judge. Actually a cop-out. As far as I know you can only really compare players within their own era's. Once you do that, you get a good baseline to begin the discussions.