Gostkowski extended through 2014

[cmasspatsfan]

Until he hits a big game winner he is going to keep missing pressure field goals.

Umm, yeah sound logic

 

[Patsrock]

I agree he is not clutch. it goes back to Belichck not going to him to close it on the superbowl and he has had a mental block ever since. Until he hits a big game winner he is going to keep missing pressure field goals.

Well it was not a close out FG in the Super Bowl.
The Super Bowl kick would have been with 7 mins left in the 3rd qtr to put them up by 3.


Also name me one big time winner he has actually had a chance to kick and missed?

 

[ahmed]

He has the leg for the long kicks but not the accuracy it seems. I know kicks in the high 40s are not easy and a lot of them are missed but he's getting way too much leniency in this thread. I have seen him miss more of those than I am comfortable with and at some point, they will hurt.

He's a very good kicker though.

 

[Simkin]

Re: Gostowski extended through 2014

I dont like this. just let him go and draft another K. gostkowsky is only good in kickoffs, in FG range and % in a above average K, thats all. its unfair that we dont give 3.5 to Vinatieri and yes to gostkowski



Gotkowski is a choker and a momentum breaker in PO . We have a SB loss cause we cant kick between yards 40-50 with him

 

[Simkin]

e press about the blowout, but I still have this image of Gostkowski missing a no-pressure FG during last year's loss in the Superdome from the same spot on the same field towards the same endzone from which Adam won SB XXXVI.

That one of the reasons why Vinatieri is maybe the best kicker than ever played the game and Gostkowsky right now has a OUTSTANDING leg who gets a lot of touchbacks but a bad FG kicker when it matters

 

[PatsFanSince74]

That one of the reasons why Vinatieri is maybe the best kicker than ever played the game and Gostkowsky right now has a OUTSTANDING leg who gets a lot of touchbacks but a bad FG kicker when it matters

Agreed on #4, but I don't think we can say Gostkowski is "bad" when it matters since he hasn't had too many kicks that really matter. I just don't know whether he makes that NO kick when the chips are down, but I do have to say that I have a hard time, based on what we've seen so far, putting him on that cold, snowy field with a blizzard blowing in his face and kicking that 43 yard line drive that dropped like a rock two yards past the goal post to tie Oakland.

 

[captain stone]

I'm happy for him and as far as I can see, he deserves it. But looking ahead, I'll be happy when he starts making most of the two kicks he missed today, because, at some point, we're going to need him to make kicks like that with everything on the line.

It was lost in all the press about the blowout, but I still have this image of Gostkowski missing a no-pressure FG during last year's loss in the Superdome from the same spot on the same field towards the same endzone from which Adam won SB XXXVI.

QFT.

The next clutch kick the Ghost makes will be his first.

And his inability to make kicks of even slight difficulty might indeed be traced to the way Bill treated him in the SB. That was one of many, many ******ed decisions/plays throughout the worst day in franchise history.

 

[vattha]

QFT.

The next clutch kick the Ghost makes will be his first.

And his inability to make kicks of even slight difficulty might indeed be traced to the way Bill treated him in the SB. That was one of many, many ******ed decisions/plays throughout the worst day in franchise history.

uhh are people forgetting the kick gostkowski made against san diego in 06?

 

[convertedpatsfan]

He has the leg for the long kicks but not the accuracy it seems. I know kicks in the high 40s are not easy and a lot of them are missed but he's getting way too much leniency in this thread. I have seen him miss more of those than I am comfortable with and at some point, they will hurt.

He's a very good kicker though.

If that's the case, I'm sure you thought Adam Vinatieri sucked too since they're quite similar. That's not to disrespect what Adam did for us, but I don't understand people complaining about how he misses "so many" long kicks when the guy before did the same thing.

Overall
Gost: 85%
Adam: 82%

40 to 49 yards out
Gost: 68%
Adam: 71%

50+ isn't a fair indicator since it's such a small sample size, but it's worth noting that Adam didn't have a huge leg either.

50+
Gost: 80% (5 attempts)
Adam: 45% (22 attempts), including 33% during the BB era.

The playoffs are a different story, absolutely. Adam stepped it up when the games meant more. Or did he?

Playoffs
Gost: 82%
Adam: 82%

You can definitely say Adam got more attempts, and that may mean more confidence from the coaching staff. I won't argue that at all. But the comparisons to Nick Kaeding are ridiculous. He's 9 for 11 in the playoffs, and here are the two misses:

- 2007/2008 against Jacksonville, missed a 35-yard field goal in the 2nd quarter, tied 14-14.
- 2009/2010 against Baltimore, missed a 44-yard field goal in the 4th quarter down 33-14.

Hardly clutch kicks blown. Again, the comparisons to Kaeding are ridiculous and inaccurate.

I will forever love Adam for all that he did for us. And if you want to argue that he's better than Ghost, that's fine too. But you can't say one is a legend while the other sucks since they're actually quite similar players.

 

[Patsrock]

Please stop comparing Gost to AV in careers, that is very unfair to Gost. Gost has been more consistent in his first 4 years than AV was.


Here are the first 4 years

FGM/FGA
AV-80.1% 109/136
SG-85.1% 103/121

40-49

AV-65.1% 28/43
SG 67.8% 19/28

50+
AV-71.4% 5/7
SG-80.0% 4/5

Playoffs
AV-62.5% 5/8
SG-81.1% 9/11

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Please stop comparing Gost to AV in careers, that is very unfair to Gost. Gost has been more consistent in his first 4 years than AV was.


Here are the first 4 years

FGM/FGA
AV-80.1% 109/136
SG-85.1% 103/121

40-49

AV-65.1% 28/43
SG 67.8% 19/28

50+
AV-71.4% 5/7
SG-80.0% 4/5

Playoffs
AV-62.5% 5/8
SG-81.1% 9/11

Agreed. It just never ceases to amaze me how irrational some people get about certain things.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

I can see all the stats in the world, but I don't trust Gost to make a big kick. It feels like a total coin flip on anything over 35 yards. AV for a long time was pretty automatic, especially when they really needed the points. Gostowski has the big leg, but he misses too many for my liking. Yesterday's 47 yarder was a good example - in perfect conditions at home, everything going our way, he should make that.

 

[Patsrock]

I can see all the stats in the world, but I don't trust Gost to make a big kick. It feels like a total coin flip on anything over 35 yards. AV for a long time was pretty automatic, especially when they really needed the points. Gostowski has the big leg, but he misses too many for my liking. Yesterday's 47 yarder was a good example - in perfect conditions at home, everything going our way, he should make that.

AV was the same for me until 2001. I never trusted AV until that Oakland game. I am just saying please stop comparing SG 4 years to AV 15 years it is not a fair comparison.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

AV was the same for me until 2001. I never trusted AV until that Oakland game. I am just saying please stop comparing SG 4 years to AV 15 years it is not a fair comparison.

I'm not saying to cut him or even disagreeing with the extension. His kickoffs are amazing. He just has to improve his FG accuracy, and I think he has the potential to do that. I just hope he hurries up - he's a vet now and we're depending on him.

 

[Patsrock]

I'm not saying to cut him or even disagreeing with the extension. His kickoffs are amazing. He just has to improve his FG accuracy, and I think he has the potential to do that. I just hope he hurries up - he's a vet now and we're depending on him.

Overall he is 5th active and 6th all time in accuracy. If you mean from 40+ yeah he does need to improve but most guys are in the 68 to 74% range.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

How many 'big' kicks has Ghost missed for us? He was 8 for 8 in the 2006 playoffs. Two huge kicks, 1 at the end of the SD game and 1 towards the end of the Colts game which would have been a GW if we held on. Those were bigtime clutch kicks that alot of kickers may have missed and would have hurt us bigtime. He's been very good in the playoffs overall.

Let's not act like Vinatieri never faltered in the playoffs. Missed a gimme early on in SB38 and had another blocked in that game. Also missed one he should've made in the Mile high debacle of 2005 which was a huge miss at that point in the game could have cut the lead to one score. No kicker is automatic, in today's game Ghost is as good as it gets at the position and deserves the contract. He had a poor game where his performance did not hurt us and he will rebound, that's all there is to it.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Agreed. It just never ceases to amaze me how irrational some people get about certain things.

Being frequently amazed is actually a good thing. I guarantee you that you have plenty more amazement coming.

 

[Synovia]

I'm not saying to cut him or even disagreeing with the extension. His kickoffs are amazing. He just has to improve his FG accuracy, and I think he has the potential to do that. I just hope he hurries up - he's a vet now and we're depending on him.

He's significantly more accurate than AV ever was.

 

[Synovia]

It was lost in all the press about the blowout, but I still have this image of Gostkowski missing a no-pressure FG during last year's loss in the Superdome from the same spot on the same field towards the same endzone from which Adam won SB XXXVI.

Yeah, and I still have these flashbacks of Vinatieri missing a pair of chipshots in Superbowl 38.

 

[Patsrock]

Yeah, and I still have these flashbacks of Vinatieri missing a pair of chipshots in Superbowl 38.

I also see AV miss a 32 yrd chip shot in 1999 vs KC that would have put the Pats 5-0. At the time I was mad, but in hindsight glad he missed the kick. But back to SB 38, everyone remembers his gw kick, but always forget the 2 misses he had earlier in that game.