Interesting - Ryan meet with Revis | Revis Deal Done

[Rob0729]

Cant really be a wash. They will either stop us like in the first game last year or not like in the second.
I love our chances, because I dont think anyone is stopping this offense this year.

Yeah, that second game, Brady completed over 68% of his passes for 310 yards while Welker had 15 catches for 192 yards. The Pats dinked and dunked all over the Jets.

 

[WelshPat]

I think Revis is the real deal and was the best defensive player in football last year, but I'm pretty happy to face him sooner rather than later. Might take a little while to shake off some rust in the first few weeks.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Revis deal done

Dude, they arent the 85 Bears, TD a game, come on.

OK. Maybe an exaggeration. I'll stand by the point that 17 total points will keep them in most of their games, though.

 

[Garbanza]

Cant really be a wash. They will either stop us like in the first game last year or not like in the second.
I love our chances, because I dont think anyone is stopping this offense this year.

I like the Pats chances in the second game this year, rather than the first. 1) Welker will be more comfortable 2) Hoefully Edelman will be healthy (any idea what is wrong with him?) 3) the two rookie TE's will be more comfortable as well.

 

[Marqui]

So I guess the Jets really are going to win the division...

 

[Gunnails]

I love how the guy played 3 years and Tannenbum is already calling him a HoFer. Any yes, I am a little intrigued how the Jets can throw money at all these probowlers without breaking the bank.

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Leon Washington, T Jones, A Faneca, The Jets lost these guys and more due in at least partly making room for Revis and the dollars he demands.

 

[JetFan19]

Yeah, I'd be a little scared too if Cromartie was my starting CB too. Don't buy all the preseason hype. Cromartie and Wilson haven't even faced an average QB this preseason other than Eli Manning who was without his best receiver in Steve Smith. Otherwise, Cromartie has faced Matt Moore (the Panthers have been without their Steve Smith this preseason and are the only team who haven't scored a TD all preseason), Rex Grossman, and Mark Sanchez. I think I could be pretty successful playing CB against them.

Revis is the real deal, but I don't buy the hype on the other CBs. Wilson may be really good at some point, but Cromartie is still going to be Cromartie. He is going to gamble and he will give up big plays doing so.

No, that is just the homer in you that refuses to acknowledge or give credence to it.

Cromartie has had a great off-season and pre-season, he's back playing in the defensive scheme that suits his talents. The Charger defensive philosophy changed after Marty left, they played more zone than the pressure attacking style they played when Cromartie was playing at a pro bowl level. The change in Cromartie's play was apparent even in pre-season, the Jets system suits him very well, and he was even playing physical football for a change.

The change in scenery, a coaching staff that he respects and a system he likes to play in will probably mean a big improvement and a return to the player many thought he would become

 

[JetFan19]

Not surprising, the Jets caved and gave Revis the guaranteed money he was looking for. Obviously, the Jets are concerned what we all have been seeing all preseason and on Hard Knocks. This is a team with a good defense and a horrible offense. Neither side of the ball may be as good as it was last year. Revis may be their only hope not to be a huge disapointment.

No way to spin it. The Jets are better today than they were yesterday. I may revise my estimates of them being 8-8 to 9-7. They still have Sanchez and the offense to drag down their defense.

Wow you are a homer.

How the hell did the Jets cave? Revis' camp wanted 16 mil a year, they were floating numbers like 120+ million with 40 mil+ guaranteed, Revis wound up taking about 10 million increase to the guaranteed money he already had coming to him over the next 3 years plus another year.

Revis' new deal gives him about 11 a year on average.

A horrible offense?

LMAO, what is with some of you Pat homers who seem to be clueless about the Jets?

 

[Rob0729]

Wow you are a homer.

How the hell did the Jets cave? Revis' camp wanted 16 mil a year, they were floating numbers like 120+ million with 40 mil+ guaranteed, Revis wound up taking about 10 million increase to the guaranteed money he already had coming to him over the next 3 years plus another year.

Revis' new deal gives him about 11 a year on average.

A horrible offense?

LMAO, what is with some of you Pat homers who seem to be clueless about the Jets?

It was always about the guaranteed money. The Jets caved plain and simple. The last Jets offer was an extra $5 million guaranteed and nothing else (as Greg Bishop from the NYT reported). Revis always wanted over $30 million guaranteed and Jets didn't want to guarantee and they spun it to all about being all about the per year guarantee. Revis did cave too, but he got his guaranteed money which is always a win for the player because contracts are all about guaranteed money.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow you are a homer.

How the hell did the Jets cave? Revis' camp wanted 16 mil a year, they were floating numbers like 120+ million with 40 mil+ guaranteed, Revis wound up taking about 10 million increase to the guaranteed money he already had coming to him over the next 3 years plus another year.

Revis' new deal gives him about 11 a year on average.

A horrible offense?

LMAO, what is with some of you Pat homers who seem to be clueless about the Jets?

1.) Cornerback franchise value for 2010: $9.566 million

2.) Revis average salary value: $11.5 million

3.) Revis guaranteed money: $32 million

4.) Extra years gotten by Jets for $25 million more and an extra $11 million guaranteed: 1

The reality is that Revis just pocketed an extra $25 million dollars for one year, assuming the reports about the contract are true. Good news for Revis, even beyond that: He'll still be young enough to hit another mega payday when the four years are up.

If you don't want to describe that as the Jets caving, feel free to pick a word for it.

 

[Rob0729]

No, that is just the homer in you that refuses to acknowledge or give credence to it.

Cromartie has had a great off-season and pre-season, he's back playing in the defensive scheme that suits his talents. The Charger defensive philosophy changed after Marty left, they played more zone than the pressure attacking style they played when Cromartie was playing at a pro bowl level. The change in Cromartie's play was apparent even in pre-season, the Jets system suits him very well, and he was even playing physical football for a change.

The change in scenery, a coaching staff that he respects and a system he likes to play in will probably mean a big improvement and a return to the player many thought he would become

How do we know if Cromartie is having a great preseason? Who has he played. I heard Mark Canazaro on Sirius NFL Radio say the same thing about him and Wilson. Even in practice, the only real quality QB he has faced this preseason is Eli Manning and the Jets were without 3-4 starters on offense. We will see how he does against TJ Whosyourmamma and Derrick Mason on Monday night and Welker in two weeks. And then you will see if he is really good.

Besides, his career in San Deigo has been overhyped. He got three of his 10 INTs against Manning on his worst game of his career (Manning threw six picks in that game). He had one great half a season and 3 1/2 mediocre seasons. Let's not make it all about scheme.

 

[JetFan19]

It was always about the guaranteed money. The Jets caved plain and simple. The last Jets offer was an extra $5 million guaranteed and nothing else (as Greg Bishop from the NYT reported). Revis always wanted over $30 million guaranteed and Jets didn't want to guarantee and they spun it to all about being all about the per year guarantee. Revis did cave too, but he got his guaranteed money which is always a win for the player because contracts are all about guaranteed money.

You're wrong

It was about being the highest paid player, with the Jets it was about total compensation and a structure that fit within team's structure for this year and long term, it was also about not mortgaging the future and overpaying based on the market.

Both sides caved in, Jets didn't overpay, Revis got a little more money up front.

Jets also never said anything about guaranteed money or what their cap on guaranteed money was, it was about total compensation, and it was about a structure that didn't cripple them now, and for the future.

 

[JetFan19]

How do we know if Cromartie is having a great preseason? Who has he played. I heard Mark Canazaro on Sirius NFL Radio say the same thing about him and Wilson. Even in practice, the only real quality QB he has faced this preseason is Eli Manning and the Jets were without 3-4 starters on offense. We will see how he does against TJ Whosyourmamma and Derrick Mason on Monday night and Welker in two weeks. And then you will see if he is really good.

Besides, his career in San Deigo has been overhyped. He got three of his 10 INTs against Manning on his worst game of his career (Manning threw six picks in that game). He had one great half a season and 3 1/2 mediocre seasons. Let's not make it all about scheme.

So you heard Canizarro? What does he know?

Derrick Mason is 36 years old, Housh just signed and won't know the offense.

You seem to be looking to dig up anything that paints a negative picture for the Jets.

Stop being a homer.

 

[Rob0729]

1.) Cornerback franchise value for 2010: $9.566 million

2.) Revis average salary value: $11.5 million

3.) Revis guaranteed money: $32 million

4.) Extra years gotten by Jets for $25 million more and an extra $11 million guaranteed: 1

The reality is that Revis just pocketed an extra $25 million dollars for one year, assuming the reports about the contract are true. Good news for Revis, even beyond that: He'll still be young enough to hit another mega payday when the four years are up.

If you don't want to describe that as the Jets caving, feel free to pick a word for it.

Give him a break. A lot of Jets fans are lemmings and since Revis' side didn't talk, they all bought the Jets' spin that it was all about getting $15 million a year.

Also, give Mike Florio credit over at PFT, he correctly pointed out it was always more about the guaranteed money which the Jets refused to give and what Revis was looking for.

BTW, they might as well made it $46 million guaranteed because unless the last year has $14 million in base, there is next to now way the Jets can cut Revis even if his play falls off the map.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Cant really be a wash. They will either stop us like in the first game last year or not like in the second.
I love our chances, because I dont think anyone is stopping this offense this year.

"Wash" may be the wrong word. I would agree that the offense should definitely be improved compared to last year, but the Jets D is definitely something to be concerned about.

 

[Rob0729]

You're wrong

It was about being the highest paid player, with the Jets it was about total compensation and a structure that fit within team's structure for this year and long term, it was also about not mortgaging the future and overpaying based on the market.

Both sides caved in, Jets didn't overpay, Revis got a little more money up front.

Jets also never said anything about guaranteed money or what their cap on guaranteed money was, it was about total compensation, and it was about a structure that didn't cripple them now, and for the future.

So you have better sources than the JEts reporter for the NY Times? Good to know. Sorry, I will believe Bishop who said that the Jets were only going to guarantee him $5 million in 2010 over you any time.

And of course it is about guaranteed money. The Jets could pay Revis $20 million a year for the next 20 years and if he gets no additional guaranteed money, it is a huge win by the Jets. The NFL is all about guaranteed contracts. The rest is BS. Making $15 million a year means nothing if nothing is guaranteed. That is why many people think guys like Ferguson and Mangold are morons, because they can have an injury tomorrow and get nothing (Mangold only gets his guaranteed money for injuries if he never plays again).

 

[fair catch fryar]

So you heard Canizarro? What does he know?

Derrick Mason is 36 years old, Housh just signed and won't know the offense.

You seem to be looking to dig up anything that paints a negative picture for the Jets.

Stop being a homer.

Pot meet kettle. So he's a Pats fan on a Pats messageboard and I guess that would qualify as a homer. Your a Jets homer on a Pats messageboard, what does that make you?

Painting the Jets in a negative picture is like shooting fish in a barrel. Jeez.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Revis deal done

OK. Maybe an exaggeration. I'll stand by the point that 17 total points will keep them in most of their games, though.

If they scored 17 points every game last year they would have been 8-5-1 instead of 7-7.
The Patriots would have been 8-7-1 if they scored 17 in every game.
Not sure what the relevance is.
They are a terrible offense, and a defense that good last year but has made a number of changes, none of which are certainly improvements.

 

[Ring 6]

I like the Pats chances in the second game this year, rather than the first. 1) Welker will be more comfortable 2) Hoefully Edelman will be healthy (any idea what is wrong with him?) 3) the two rookie TE's will be more comfortable as well.

I think we will start the season entirely dominant on offense.
I love Edelman but we have enough weapons to be fine without him.
I think Welker is fine. We went from IR to PUP to now saying yeah he's recovered but will he be 100%. I'm done doubting him.

 

[JetFan19]

So you have better sources than the JEts reporter for the NY Times? Good to know. Sorry, I will believe Bishop who said that the Jets were only going to guarantee him $5 million in 2010 over you any time.

And of course it is about guaranteed money. The Jets could pay Revis $20 million a year for the next 20 years and if he gets no additional guaranteed money, it is a huge win by the Jets. The NFL is all about guaranteed contracts. The rest is BS. Making $15 million a year means nothing if nothing is guaranteed. That is why many people think guys like Ferguson and Mangold are morons, because they can have an injury tomorrow and get nothing (Mangold only gets his guaranteed money for injuries if he never plays again).

You are suggesting that the Jets were the one to cave, it's been talked about everywhere, and the general consensus that is quite the other way around.

Even one of the biggest Jets haters admits as much:

Revis camp finally abandoned the quest for Nnamdi money
Posted by Mike Florio on September 6, 2010 7:08 AM ET
Ross Tucker of Sirius NFL Radio launched his new daily early-morning show on Monday, and in a very weak moment he decided that it would be a good idea to have me on.

So we talked about the Darrelle Revis deal and other Jets-related issues, and during the conversation Ross mentioned the reality that, in the end, Revis gave up on his attempt to match or beat the deal given to Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha.

Asomugha's deal has an average of $15.1 million; Revis' deal works out to $11.5 million, far short of the Asomugha average.

So what gives? Though some will say that the Jets persuaded the Revis camp that the Asomugha deal represents yet another crazy move by the Raiders, the more likely reality is that Revis and his agents finally conceded that being the best defensive player in the league and the highest-paid defensive player in the league are two different things. Asomugha had finished his rookie deal and he had completed a season under the franchise tag before inking a three-year deal based on the money he would have made if the Raiders had kept applying the franchise tag.

Revis had three years remaining on his rookie deal, and thus at least three years to go until hitting the open market. So Revis finally abandoned the goal of matching Asomugha's annual average.

As previously explained, the real issue was guaranteed money. Assuming that the Jets gave Revis true and complete guarantees (and not Ferguson/Mangold incomplete guarantees), Revis can now take $32 million to the bank -- and he could try to get millions more when the new deal expires, and when Revis is still on the right side of 30.