Opinions Consolidated: How bad does the Bodden loss hurt us?

[emoney_33]

No. I think you can safely assume that there will be no pass rush this season. What have they done to address this CLEAR issue in the off season? Um....nothing. Now we have no Warren for the year. Yes, it has gotten worse - who thought that would be possible!

So, no pass rush, no proven secondary, a saftey tandem that have a better chance of seeing God than covering a TE with any consistent success. Oh, and a suspect run game - meaning if the Pats score, it will probably be quick giving the defense less rest. Friggin' terrific.

I blame BB and company. Serioulsy - the biggest concern last season was lack of pass rush and they did NOTHING to fix it.

I'm sorry but you have absolutely NO clue what you are talking about.

 

[Deus Irae]

No. I think you can safely assume that there will be no pass rush this season. What have they done to address this CLEAR issue in the off season?

Regarding pass rush only.........

Wright > Green
Warren > Warren
Healthy Mayo/Spikes/Guyton > Injured Mayo/Seau/Guyton
Chung > Sanders


This team has enough problems without people making it out to be worse than it already is.

 

[Pats726]

Amen Brother. And Well said!!

I think many agree..too chicken little...There are many factors involved and bailing out NOW is silly.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

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But I am not optimistic.

How can you not be optimistic? Its the pre-season. The team is undefeated. That's right. Undefeated. Haven't lost a game, haven't given up a single TD, control their own destiny.

If fact it is the one time of the year in which every fan base gets to be optimistic. Even Lions fans. The Bills fans are optimistic like they are every year. The Jets fans are optimistic like they are every year. Oakland fans believe this is the year and that they traded away the 32nd pick of the 2011 draft for Seymour.

Couple of weeks from now, some fan bases optimism will fade. Hopefully we won't be one of them.

But I rooted for the Patriots when the only time you could be optimistic was the pre-season. But during the 1991 pre-season I was optimistic that the NEP would be the first team to from having the first pick overall to winning the superbowl.

I sure as hell ain't going to be pessimistic about the AFCE division champions because they lost a CB.

 

[Deus Irae]

Real talk, bro.

But you know what, my friend? They'll scheme up a pass rush, and they'll scheme up blanket coverage from the secondary. You know why? Because we won 3 Superbowls 6 years ago.

That's correct. The Patriots have won 3 Super Bowls. How many Super Bowls have been won by the team of which you are a fan?

 

[Sicilian]

No. I think you can safely assume that there will be no pass rush this season. What have they done to address this CLEAR issue in the off season? Um....nothing. Now we have no Warren for the year. Yes, it has gotten worse - who thought that would be possible!

So, no pass rush, no proven secondary, a saftey tandem that have a better chance of seeing God than covering a TE with any consistent success. Oh, and a suspect run game - meaning if the Pats score, it will probably be quick giving the defense less rest. Friggin' terrific.

I blame BB and company. Serioulsy - the biggest concern last season was lack of pass rush and they did NOTHING to fix it.

Well, of course we can "safely" assume anything. No one's going to die if we're wrong. But that being said, there are several things I contest with what you said:

1) Warren added very little to the pass rush last year. In year's past he was better, but he was hurt. His loss affects the run D far more than the pass D.

2) We have the following players who should improve from year 1 to year 2: Butler, which will help to cancel out the loss of Bodden (not completely, but it will help), Chung, who had 2 sacks last year as a part time rookie safety, I expect big things from him. Brace, who's showing he has the potential to shore up the run defense, and possibly contribute to the pass rush. Vollmer, who will help the run game.

3) We have a rookie in Spikes who has already shown he can be solid against the run, AND put some pressure on Bradford from the middle (penalty negating it). People don't like to see things sometimes, but the pressure on Bradford wasn't too bad, it was the secondary's inability to cover the quick hits.

4) Mayo is healthier. Again, pass rush comes from more places than just the DE and OLB. Pressure from the middle can be more effective in many cases.

5) Scheme. BB is taking over the defense, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before I say there's no way he can improve.

I didn't even include Cunnigham because we haven't see him, but he's another wildcard.

So, in short, nothing is guaranteed, but to say they did nothing and it's a foregone conclusion that the pass rush won't improve, is pessimism to an extreme degree.

 

[Deus Irae]

How can you not be optimistic? Its the pre-season. The team is undefeated. That's right. Undefeated. Haven't lost a game, haven't given up a single TD, control their own destiny.

If fact it is the one time of the year in which every fan base gets to be optimistic. Even Lions fans. The Bills fans are optimistic like they are every year. The Jets fans are optimistic like they are every year. Oakland fans believe this is the year and that they traded away the 32nd pick of the 2011 draft for Seymour.

Couple of weeks from now, some fan bases optimism will fade. Hopefully we won't be one of them.

But I rooted for the Patriots when the only time you could be optimistic was the pre-season. But during the 1991 pre-season I was optimistic that the NEP would be the first team to from having the first pick overall to winning the superbowl.

I sure as hell ain't going to be pessimistic about the AFCE division champions because they lost a CB.

Dude......

SuperPatsFan is not a Patriots fan. He's a troll who's a fan of another team. The name's just part of the game.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I blame BB and company. Serioulsy - the biggest concern last season was lack of pass rush and they did NOTHING to fix it.

So true. Kraft should fire BB on the spot. It is becoming painfully obvious that Belichick has no effing clue about how to run a professional football team. Art Modell was right to fire BB and Kraft is a moron for keeping him. It is pretty damn clear that the ONLY reason the for the Patriots success was Scott Pioli was holding his hand to avoid letting him make dumb mistakes.

I ask this of the Belichick apologists....what the heck has he won without the assistance of Parcells or Pioli?

 

[SuperPatsFan]

Now, is this a "Homers Only" board?

Because I love the Patriots as much as anyone. I got punched in the kidney by a Jets fan and started peeing blue and red.

But I'm also going to express my honest opinion when I see trouble ahead for my team.

 

[Rob0729]

Solid #2? He was a top notch above average #1 CB last year who played VERY well in our system. This loss is big, but not insurmountable. The offense will need to carry more weight early on to offset the loss and allow the young CBs to grow together and hopefully they are playing well enough as a team by the end of the year.

First, Bodden played RCB. By definition that is the a number 2 CB because he typically faces the opposing team's second or third best receiver most of the time because the primary receiver typically lines up to the right side of the QB.

Second, he was solid. I haven't gone through all the RCBs in the league and determined who is better.

 

[emoney_33]

First, Bodden played RCB. By definition that is the a number 2 CB because he typically faces the opposing team's second or third best receiver most of the time because the primary receiver typically lines up to the right side of the QB.

Second, he was solid. I haven't gone through all the RCBs in the league and determined who is better.

Meh you can't just assume that because he played RCB he faced inferior competition and then extrapolate his performance into what it would have been had he played against other opponents. There is no definition that the RCB is "#2 CB". He was our best CB, he played very well, and his numbers were about top 15 in the league. There weren't 16 better CBs in the league last year and it doesn't matter whether they played right or left.

Asomugha played RCB, and he's the best CB in the league.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Rush wasn't the issue in the first two games, and it wasn't in the last game when Bodden was on the field. Over reliance on soft zone was the issue. I'm assuming it was a test of sorts...based on the pre game assumption it would be a safe time to test...only it wasn't.

Rush not the issue; it's coverage - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[JackBauer]

No. I think you can safely assume that there will be no pass rush this season. What have they done to address this CLEAR issue in the off season? Um....nothing. Now we have no Warren for the year. Yes, it has gotten worse - who thought that would be possible!

So, no pass rush, no proven secondary, a saftey tandem that have a better chance of seeing God than covering a TE with any consistent success. Oh, and a suspect run game - meaning if the Pats score, it will probably be quick giving the defense less rest. Friggin' terrific.

I blame BB and company. Serioulsy - the biggest concern last season was lack of pass rush and they did NOTHING to fix it.

Cripes, could you be any more hysterical?

You're assuming that the schemes will be the same, that young players won't develop, and, as Deus pointed out, that certain replacement players won't offer more of a pass rush than their predecessors did.

I have absolutely no idea how this defense is going to be, but all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth really is going overboard. Why don't you and SuperPatsfan go sit in the corner and throw yourselves a pity party, and spare the rest of us.

 

[JackBauer]

Dude......

SuperPatsFan is not a Patriots fan. He's a troll who's a fan of another team. The name's just part of the game.

Really? What was it that gave him away?

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Cripes, could you be any more hysterical?

He is absolutely right. BB sucks as a coach and should be fired.

 

[JackBauer]

He is absolutely right. BB sucks as a coach and should be fired.

I think he is actually a she.

 

[RyanP421]

I expect the Pats D against the run to be top 5 in the league. I expect our running game to be bottom 7 in the league. I expect our throwing offense to be top 5, and our D against the pass to be in the 5 worst.

A lot of 42-37 games, and a stack of defensive draft picks next year to go with the elite WR we are going to draft.

And no SB ring at the end of the year.

We are going to run a lot of 4-1-6, 5-1-5, 6-5 defenses with Chung in the box looking to blitz a lot, and zone type defenses with guys like Guyton dropping in coverage.

BB may have to trade some nice draft chips for a DE/OLB/CB. He'll be bringing in lots of camp cuts (as usual), maybe they can deal Child-kins for someone.

WTF are you talking about? The Pats have one of the higher ranked rushing attacks every year, but people seem to be uneducated in their opinion of the Patriots running game. Just because they use 4 guys to do it doesn't mean it doesn't work...


And a lot of 42-37 games? What? Yeeaaaah, those kind of games are frequent in the NFL today

I wish there were some sort of test you had to take in order to register for this board because the amount of trash and idiotic posts on here is growing and growing every day to the point where it's just beyond ridiculous.

 

[Rob0729]

Meh you can't just assume that because he played RCB he faced inferior competition and then extrapolate his performance into what it would have been had he played against other opponents. There is no definition that the RCB is "#2 CB". He was our best CB, he played very well, and his numbers were about top 15 in the league. There weren't 16 better CBs in the league last year and it doesn't matter whether they played right or left.

Asomugha played RCB, and he's the best CB in the league.

Fact of the matter is the best receiver usually lines up on the right side of the QB so that it makes them easier to be the QB's first or second look. They don't always line up to the QB's right, but more often than not they do.

He was the Pats' best CB last year, but that doesn't mean he was facing the toughest competition. Hey I really like Bodden, but I have always considered the RCB the #2 CB.
Asomugha is technically a #2 CB on his team, but he is totally shutdown. He doesn't usually face the #1 WR. It is just that he shuts down his side of the field.

We are arguing semantics here. Whether he is a #1 or #2, he was solid.

 

[Kontradiction]

Now, is this a "Homers Only" board?

Because I love the Patriots as much as anyone. I got punched in the kidney by a Jets fan and started peeing blue and red.

But I'm also going to express my honest opinion when I see trouble ahead for my team.

Other trolls should take note. THIS is how you troll a forum...

As for the loss of Bodden, eh. It's bad. I don't think there's anybody around here who can try to spin it into a good thing. The only good thing I can think of is, outside of two teams in the NFC North, the Colts, the Chargers, and the Steelers, we really don't play that many teams with elite level quarterbacks. The first true test the secondary will have through the air comes in Week 6. Hopefully, Butler, McCourty, Wheatley, Wilhite, and whomever else they pick up, will be ready by then.

 

[BigMike]

They're gonna burn, plain and simple.

They're gonna burn.

But you know what they say...about Fire and Steel.

2010 will be a Wild Ride.

And at the end of the day, I believe it will have this in common with 2000: Prelude to a Dynasty.

You might be right here I just hope it's not a prelude to a lockout