Would you trade Maroney to Washington?

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Not really that notable considering he only played 3 games in 2008.

Fact remains he's still at 4.2 YPC over his career.

Fact is if BB had more faith in giving Maroney the rock more often all these years that YPC would drop well under 4.0

IIRC of all running backs on this team in 2009,Maroney had the worst YPC average than any of the others except BJGE

I think Maroney probably is a real nice guy in life and is probably nice to have as a teammate who does not cause any locker room problems,but lets face it,As a RB he blows donkey di(k - I don't hate Maroney as a person as I matter of fact I like his attitude as a player but I think he is more of a CFL or other alternate league back than an NFL RB let alone be a starting one.

Most teams probably would have cut or traded Maroney 2 years ago,I think BB likes the kid and continues to give him chances every year,I wonder if his time has some up once/if we draft Ryan Mathews in the first or early second round.

Bottom line is in Patsfans in regards to Maroney there are different sorts of opinions,there are guys who....

1) Really think Maroney is a solid back
2) Think Maroney has some learning to do but will become better with age
3) Some that don't hate Maroney but think he is a waste as a starting RB

Everyone in here is probably in those 3 catagories in opinions about him

 

[patsinthesnow]

Fact is if BB had more faith in giving Maroney the rock more often all these years that YPC would drop well under 4.0

IIRC of all running backs on this team in 2009,Maroney had the worst YPC average than any of the others except BJGE

I think Maroney probably is a real nice guy in life and is probably nice to have as a teammate who does not cause any locker room problems,but lets face it,As a RB he blows donkey di(k - I don't hate Maroney as a person as I matter of fact I like his attitude as a player but I think he is more of a CFL or other alternate league back than an NFL RB let alone be a starting one.

Most teams probably would have cut or traded Maroney 2 years ago,I think BB likes the kid and continues to give him chances every year,I wonder if his time has some up once/if we draft Ryan Mathews in the first or early second round.

Bottom line is in Patsfans in regards to Maroney there are different sorts of opinions,there are guys who....

1) Really think Maroney is a solid back
2) Think Maroney has some learning to do but will become better with age
3) Some that don't hate Maroney but think he is a waste as a starting RB

Pencil me in at #3. All I want is a 1,000+ yard back.

 

[emoney_33]

Specifically he said they would all produce as well or better than Maroney if given the same amount of playing time.

And BTW Maroney hasn't averaged over 4 yards per carry since the 2007 season. [His ypc were 3.3 in 2008 and 3.9 in 2009]. In football terms, that's ancient history. Add on top of that his recently developed fumbilitis in 2009 and his subsequent benchings by BB and he doesn't look all that good for 2010 compared to the fresher NFL RB draft prospects who look quite good this year.

Laurence Maroney NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Did you just throw up his 2008 YPC ? As well as insinuate that 3.9 isn't virtually 4.0? He broke his shoulder in game 2 of 2008 (5.1 YPC in game 1) and ended up on IR, 2008 can be thrown completely out of any YPC argument.

Really, come on VJC... would you have thrown ladanian tomlinson away after 2004?

 

[emoney_33]

Based on my list is that you can expect similar production to Maroney with a top 5 runningback. (rounds 1-3).

Maroney hasn't broken 1,000 yards in his first four years with the league. I consider that average or even below average.

It really doesn't matter what you consider though. BB has given no indication that he wants a single running back getting enough carries to eclipse 1,000 yards. Ever since the 2005 breakdown of Corey Dillon, he doesn't seem to want to put all his eggs in one RB's basket. That has nothing to do with whether Maroney is capable or not. The patriots have chosen to give it to Maroney <200 times per season so bringing up the crappy total-yardage argument is meaningless.

 

[JackBauer]

Fact is if BB had more faith in giving Maroney the rock more often all these years that YPC would drop well under 4.0

Are you aware of the definition of the word "fact"?

Because what you stated is most certainly not one.

I think Maroney probably is a real nice guy in life and is probably nice to have as a teammate who does not cause any locker room problems,but lets face it,As a RB he blows donkey di(k - I don't hate Maroney as a person as I matter of fact I like his attitude as a player but I think he is more of a CFL or other alternate league back than an NFL RB let alone be a starting one.

And you expect to be taken seriously?

 

[emoney_33]

So, in Maroney's defense he obviously hasn't "busted". However being the 2nd runningback taken, I wouldcall him dissapointing.

disappointment based on pre-determined expectations is a meaningless debate. That has absolutely 0 to do with whether to keep or trade Maroney and for what value. Maroney is not a "first round pick", he's an NFL RB with 4 years in the league making < $1M and running consistently around 4.0 YPC with a good success rate and low failure rate (as evidenced by the more advanced breakdowns of RBs success rate on footballoutsiders)

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Pencil me in at #3. All I want is a 1,000+ yard back.

I agree,I do get tired of hearing that this team is not a 1 main guy RB and is a RB by committee approach,Well that RB by committee approach has gotten Brady nearly killed the past few years

This team lacks a RB that other teams fear or highly respect and because of that,DEs tee off on Brady with little worry about one of our backs breaking off a long run if one if a full out blitz is called and Brady hands it off.

Get a SOLID 24 carry RB on this team and Brady instantly has more weapons and it does not have to be a weapon that catches the ball.

Its time for a change to a big time RB and enough of these mediocre running corps,its not working anymore - I think the draft could be a start to getting that done.

If BB ripped apart the current RB group along with the right side of the OL, it would not surprise me a bit.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Are you aware of the definition of the word "fact"?


And you expect to be taken seriously?

Instead of making fun of the guy, he is making points.

NFL Stats: by Player Position

Maroney is in the bottom 1/3 of the league for starting runningbacks. Since
.500 is considered average, someone can make the case for not liking the guy and calling him mediocre.

 

[emoney_33]

I agree,I do get tired of hearing that this team is not a 1 main guy RB and is a RB by committee approach,Well that RB by committee approach has gotten Brady nearly killed the past few years

This team lacks a RB that other teams fear or highly respect and because of that,DEs tee off on Brady with little worry about one of our backs breaking off a long run if one if a full out blitz is called and Brady hands it off.

This is probably the biggest load of crap I have read regarding this situation, with no factual backing and just desire to trash Maroney.

Get a SOLID 24 carry RB on this team and Brady instantly has more weapons and it does not have to be a weapon that catches the ball.

WTF does it matter if 1 guy carries 24 times or 2 guys carry 24 times? If the total output of running the ball is 4+ YPC then defenses have to account for it, period.

 

[Deus Irae]

Fact is if BB had more faith in giving Maroney the rock more often all these years that YPC would drop well under 4.0

That's not a fact. It's an opinion.

IIRC of all running backs on this team in 2009,Maroney had the worst YPC average than any of the others except BJGE

Using just YPC, the Patriots should make Kevin Faulk the every down back and use the other RB slots for other positions.

I think Maroney probably is a real nice guy in life and is probably nice to have as a teammate who does not cause any locker room problems,but lets face it,As a RB he blows donkey di(k - I don't hate Maroney as a person as I matter of fact I like his attitude as a player but I think he is more of a CFL or other alternate league back than an NFL RB let alone be a starting one.

No, you love to hate on Maroney. This has been going on for years. Every year it's a different excuse. When he had good YPC, the beef was that he couldn't stay healthy. This season, he was fairly healthy, so now the complaint is his YPC, even though more and more people were finally noticing the struggles of the o-line in run blocking and noticing the relative predictability of the team when Maroney was in the game. Even though it became a running joke during the game threads as the other running backs got stuffed at or behind the line, you've continued to sing the same anti-Maroney tune.

Most teams probably would have cut or traded Maroney 2 years ago,I think BB likes the kid and continues to give him chances every year,I wonder if his time has some up once/if we draft Ryan Mathews in the first or early second round.

There's not a single team in the league that would have been stupid enough to cut Maroney to this point in his NFL career.

 

[JackBauer]

Instead of making fun of the guy, he is making points.

NFL Stats: by Player Position

Maroney is in the bottom 1/3 of the league for starting runningbacks. Since
.500 is considered average, someone can make the case for not liking the guy and calling him mediocre.

He is? Could have fooled me.

emoney already debunked your "total yards" argument. Fact is, having a marquee RB is not the be-all end-all, as both the Super Bowl teams this season confirmed.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Btw, having a 4 runningback by committee is not a good idea. Having two would be perfect.

The only way I think Maroney can work is scrapping, Morris and Taylor. Then, drafting one of Toby Gerhart, LeGarrette Blount, or Ben Tate.

A runningback duo of two young guys, (Maroney and a powerback), would work.

 

[emoney_33]

Instead of making fun of the guy, he is making points.

NFL Stats: by Player Position

Maroney is in the bottom 1/3 of the league for starting runningbacks. Since
.500 is considered average, someone can make the case for not liking the guy and calling him mediocre.

Jack is making points, the other guy constantly exaggerates and throws around his flawed ideas as fact.

You personally aren't arguing the entire situation factually, you are hand picking whatever stat(s) fit your pre-determined notion that Maroney is below average.

Fact is he consistently runs for 4+ YPC, broke his shoulder in 2008, came back and had another solid year in 2009. He's cheap, he doesn't have a high trade value and like Jack has said he's more valuable to us than to other clubs.

 

[Deus Irae]

I agree,I do get tired of hearing that this team is not a 1 main guy RB and is a RB by committee approach,Well that RB by committee approach has gotten Brady nearly killed the past few years

This team lacks a RB that other teams fear or highly respect and because of that,DEs tee off on Brady with little worry about one of our backs breaking off a long run if one if a full out blitz is called and Brady hands it off.

RBBC has nothing to do with "Brady nearly killed" and, by nothing, I mean absolutely nothing at all.

Get a SOLID 24 carry RB on this team and Brady instantly has more weapons and it does not have to be a weapon that catches the ball.

There's not a single running back in the NFL who was a 24 carry RB last season. Only 4 running backs in the entire league averaged more than 20 carries: Benson, Johnson, Jackson and Jones.

Its time for a change to a big time RB and enough of these mediocre running corps,its not working anymore - I think the draft could be a start to getting that done.

If BB ripped apart the current RB group along with the right side of the OL, it would not surprise me a bit.

Please feel free to explain how the "mediocre running corps" is not working anymore.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Did you just throw up his 2008 YPC ? As well as insinuate that 3.9 isn't virtually 4.0? He broke his shoulder in game 2 of 2008 (5.1 YPC in game 1) and ended up on IR, 2008 can be thrown completely out of any YPC argument.

Virtually a 4.0? As far as I know the game we are talking about is football. 1st downs are not awarded for gaining 9 yards instead of 10. Because 9 is virtually 10 anyways right? Maroney's fundamental defense over the year's has been his touted YPC. Now that it doesn't apply anymore, we want it to 'virtually' apply since he 'almost' got there? You can say 'almost' all you want, you still won't get the 1st down, even if you're only short by the nose of the football.

Really, come on VJC... would you have thrown ladanian tomlinson away after 2004?

I find it hilarious that you have the audacity to compare a medicore RB like Maroney who has never cracked 1,000 yards in his career (even Barlow managed that once) with a guy who is likely going to be a 1st ballot hall of famer who rushed for over 1,000 yards in 8 STRAIGHT seasons.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TomlLa00.htm

Ok so LT is a douche who thinks he is 'classy' when it is evident than he's not. But Maroney isn't even worthy to carry his jockstrap no less be compared in the same sentence with him.

Fact is he consistently runs for 4+ YPC, broke his shoulder in 2008, came back and had another solid year in 2009. He's cheap, he doesn't have a high trade value and like Jack has said he's more valuable to us than to other clubs.

If by solid, you mean that he had the LOWEST YPC out of any Patriots RB not named BJGE and developed Fumbilitis that caused him to be benched by BB in crucial games, then we have very DIFFERENT definitions of solid. When Morris and Taylor went down, Maroney was given the keys and his performance was mediocre at best. His fumbles often happened at the worst time, near the goal line. It's not a wonder why BB decided to bench him subsequently. Wonder if the lesson took? If you listened to his interviews, he appeared unapologetic, never once said he'd work on improving his ball security. How is anyone supposed to take that as a positive?

 

[emoney_33]

Btw, having a 4 runningback by committee is not a good idea. Having two would be perfect.

Two guys split the main duties and Faulk handles 3rd downs and other specific situations his skills are best suited for. Whether it be Dillon/Maroney, Maroney/Morris or Maroney/Taylor that is how it has been.

A runningback duo of two young guys, (Maroney and a powerback), would work.

I agree we should draft a running back. I don't want to rely on the oft-injured aging legs of Morris/Taylor. Adding a RB in the draft to split with Maroney would be a good thing.

Just don't expect them to draft a guy and give them 20+ carries a game.

 

[JackBauer]

Btw, having a 4 runningback by committee is not a good idea. Having two would be perfect.

The only way I think Maroney can work is scrapping, Morris and Taylor. Then, drafting one of Toby Gerhart, LeGarrette Blount, or Ben Tate.

A runningback duo of two young guys, (Maroney and a powerback), would work.

And I wouldn't be opposed to this. In fact, this is the very strategy I favor looking forward to the draft. I wouldn't mind keeping either Taylor or Morris (probably Taylor), but not both as they're fairly redundant.

 

[patsinthesnow]

And I wouldn't be opposed to this. In fact, this is the very strategy I favor looking forward to the draft. I wouldn't mind keeping either Taylor or Morris (probably Taylor), but not both as they're fairly redundant.

Yay, me, jack, and emoney are on the same page.

So this is what you guys would want, right?

Option A:

Maroney: 10-15 carries
Rookie: 8-12 carries
Faulk: his usual role

Option B:

Rookie: 10-15 carries
Maroney: 8-12 carries
Faulk: usual role

I'd prefer B, but as long as one of them happen.

 

[emoney_33]

Virtually a 4.0? As far as I know the game we are talking about is football. 1st downs are not awarded for gaining 9 yards instead of 10. Because 9 is virtually 10 anyways right?

What on earth are you talking about? This makes no sense to the discussion. You want to continuously argue the point that Maroney didn't get 4.0 YPC last year, but that is disingenous at best considering he ran for 3.9 YPC.

Maroney's fundamental defense over the year's has been his touted YPC, now that it doesn't apply anymore, we want it to 'virtually' apply since he 'almost' got there? You can say 'almost' all you want, you still won't get the 1st down, even if you're only short by the nose of the football.

There is no "virtually" getting there or some universal defense about a strict set in stone exact YPC number. Fact is 3.9, 4.0 and 4.1 YPC are all in the same damn boat which is right around 4.0 YPC. Maroney's defenders have continuously proven over and over and over that he does well (not great, not the best) and YPC is one part of that. 3.9 YPC is STILL good production, and your entire point is now going off the premise that for one year he barely missed this magical 4.0 number?

I find it hilarious that you have the audacity to compare a medicore RB like Maroney who has never cracked 1,000 yards in his career (even Barlow managed that once) with a guy who is likely going to be a 1st ballot hall of famer who rushed for over 1,000 yards in 8 STRAIGHT seasons.

Your argument was that Maroney didn't get 4.0 YPC this year so we must trade him. I'm not comparing Maroney to LdT, I'm comparing your ridiculous fluff standards that you are applying to Maroney. But just like the determined detractors to go off on ridiculous tangents rather than follow a logical debate.

Ok so LT is a douche who thinks he is 'classy' when it is evident than he's not. But Maroney isn't even worthy to carry his jockstrap no less be compared in the same sentence with him.

Again with the sensationalism as if I compared the two runningbacks skills, value or output. If you want to go off on tangents to derail the points of the discussion, then just simply leave the discussion instead.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Are you aware of the definition of the word "fact"?

Because what you stated is most certainly not one.



And you expect to be taken seriously?

On my list above you fit on the #1 catagory of opinons regarding Maroney,I have no problems with those that do,I just disagree