ESPN News update regarding Patriots and Peppers

[patsfan-1982]

the only way i would want peppers is if the pats move. to a one gap. 4-3 and trade wilfork,



giveing peppers, 9 to 10 million a year with out locking up wilfork, first would just pass him off and we would have Branch, all over again trade him and draft Carlos Dunlap, and jerry hughes,


and you have a 4-3 that looks like this peppers, and dunlap, at DE wright and warren at DT mayo, at ILB and guyton, and hughes, at OLB


but if the pats are still going to run the 2 gap 3-4 with peppers at OLB i say no. cause the pats would then have 2 over paid OLB's on the roster peppers will not be happy with seting the edge and covering TE's just as much as he would be rushing the QB.


peppers is a pass rusher and noting more and paying a player that much money to be a one trick pony. is not the patriot way. i don't see it happening .

 

[moosekill]

I'd rather give up a first and third for an unhappy Merriman in SD. Don't think Dumervil is even close worth it, and it's doubtful that Merriman is worth it with the concerns, but if we are going to give up a 1st and 3rd I'd much rather it be for Merriman.

So you would rather give up a 1st a third and pay Merriman, his attitude, his PID use, and his vastly diminished skills, which coincide with his getting caught using PID's than pay Peppers a bit more money. WOW hopefully you will be running the team. I guess if Merriman were free and Peppers cost, say 20 million, HELL lets throw in next years two firsts while we are at it.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

So you would rather give up a 1st a third and pay Merriman, his attitude, his PID use, and his vastly diminished skills, which coincide with his getting caught using PID's than pay Peppers a bit more money. WOW hopefully you will be running the team. I guess if Merriman were free and Peppers cost, say 20 million, HELL lets throw in next years two firsts while we are at it.

No, that is not what I said at all. It had nothing to do with Peppers. Why don't you actually read the quote that I was responding to before criticizing and acting like you know everything.

Someone said they would be interested in giving up a 1st and 3rd for Dumervil. I said if we are going to give up a 1st and 3rd, I'd rather give it up for Merriman, but it's DOUBTFUL either are worth it.

As for your bashing of Merriman:

Merriman is one of the leaders of that SD defense and no one has ever questioned his dedication to football. His "vastly diminished skills", I'm assuming, are a reference to his play in 09, in which he was coming off a bad ACL injury. It takes a while to get back to where you were pre-injury, just ask Brady and Palmer, and even Osi who saw a "diminished skill set" in his first year back. Everyone loves to beat the steroids drum. Check out these stats:

Prior to the suspension:
18.5 sacks in 22 games

After the suspension (but prior to getting hurt):
20 sacks in 20 games

Tried to play hurt in 08-09 then had surgery after one game, came back in 09-10 and only had 4 sacks. Guarantee you will see Merriman have a big bounce back year in 2010-11.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Figure this, what is Thomas due this upcoming season? Factor in him getting cut and the Patriots signing Peppers. I don't think it would exactly be a cap busting deal. I just love the possibilities it would leave the Patriots with in the draft.

bingo......peppers can be had for the price of thomas and springs......

will it happen? who knows.......certainly nobody here

 

[JoeShmoe]

All this 'attitude' thing is junk. He's wanted out of there for a while now, needs a fresh start and just like Moss I reckon if he comes here with guys like Brady you'll see him fit in and play just fine

 

[efin98]

At this point between the Patriots and Peppers Elvis will come back from beyond the grave before Peppers ever puts on a Patriots uniform.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

the best part of that video is you know the fact that he had to mention the pats was killing him.

 

[letekro]

No way is he worth the price tag as a 3-4 conversion project. If we switch to 4-3 I'm all for it.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Well it's no secret that the Patriots are going to get SOMEBODY to rush the passer. One reason I can see the Patriots "NOT" getting Peppers is they no longer can sell FA's on coming to NE to win a Super Bowl. That was a long time ago when they did so the only way they can do it now in my opinion is to PAY THEM.

Peppers goes to Chi Town or Philly. I'd bet Philly because they seem to have a legit chance to get to the Super Bowl.

That's been the pre season media buzz now for....a decade. They made it the proverbial "that was a long time ago" and got beat by some now utterly defunct team. They really looked close this season...not. They can't even get by the Cowboys who can't get by anyone else. LOL It cracks me up how the anti homers here can see nothing but negatives where this team is concerned and nothing but positives everywhere else...

 

[makoute]

This story and rumor just won't die...........it's like the Elvis thing, LMAO!

Plenty Of Interest In Peppers - ESPN Video - ESPN

Or like the Moss rumors...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

No, that is not what I said at all. It had nothing to do with Peppers. Why don't you actually read the quote that I was responding to before criticizing and acting like you know everything.

Someone said they would be interested in giving up a 1st and 3rd for Dumervil. I said if we are going to give up a 1st and 3rd, I'd rather give it up for Merriman, but it's DOUBTFUL either are worth it.

As for your bashing of Merriman:

Merriman is one of the leaders of that SD defense and no one has ever questioned his dedication to football. His "vastly diminished skills", I'm assuming, are a reference to his play in 09, in which he was coming off a bad ACL injury. It takes a while to get back to where you were pre-injury, just ask Brady and Palmer, and even Osi who saw a "diminished skill set" in his first year back. Everyone loves to beat the steroids drum. Check out these stats:

Prior to the suspension:
18.5 sacks in 22 games

After the suspension (but prior to getting hurt):
20 sacks in 20 games

Tried to play hurt in 08-09 then had surgery after one game, came back in 09-10 and only had 4 sacks. Guarantee you will see Merriman have a big bounce back year in 2010-11.

The effects of steroid use don't just wear off overnight or while you're serving a short suspension. Although once they do the injuries tend to mount and the production tends to wane. If they get blood testing for HgH in the new CBA Merriman will likely give new meaning to the term lights out. He's a guy who juiced his way into the league, ergo he will be most likely to be one of the ones using PED's to have remained there in persuit of a second big deal. Not to mention he's one of those just asking for trouble off the field players Robert and Myra find so endearing...

 

[makoute]

No, that is not what I said at all. It had nothing to do with Peppers. Why don't you actually read the quote that I was responding to before criticizing and acting like you know everything.

Someone said they would be interested in giving up a 1st and 3rd for Dumervil. I said if we are going to give up a 1st and 3rd, I'd rather give it up for Merriman, but it's DOUBTFUL either are worth it.

As for your bashing of Merriman:

Merriman is one of the leaders of that SD defense and no one has ever questioned his dedication to football. His "vastly diminished skills", I'm assuming, are a reference to his play in 09, in which he was coming off a bad ACL injury. It takes a while to get back to where you were pre-injury, just ask Brady and Palmer, and even Osi who saw a "diminished skill set" in his first year back. Everyone loves to beat the steroids drum. Check out these stats:

Prior to the suspension:
18.5 sacks in 22 games

After the suspension (but prior to getting hurt):
20 sacks in 20 games

Tried to play hurt in 08-09 then had surgery after one game, came back in 09-10 and only had 4 sacks. Guarantee you will see Merriman have a big bounce back year in 2010-11.

I feel this will be the case too.

 

[Sicilian]

That's been the pre season media buzz now for....a decade. They made it the proverbial "that was a long time ago" and got beat by some now utterly defunct team. They really looked close this season...not. They can't even get by the Cowboys who can't get by anyone else. LOL It cracks me up how the anti homers here can see nothing but negatives where this team is concerned and nothing but positives everywhere else...

Not to mention that sometimes these players have egos. Though he may never say it, would it surprise anyone if this was going on in Peppers' head:

"They were a 10-6 division winner last year with a QB coming off major knee surgery, and are two years removed from a nearly perfect season. Their biggest issue is pass rush, which I provide. I bet with me they're a 13 or 14 win team."

And I love how we're no longer an "attractive place to win a Super Bowl" because we haven't won one in five whole years (and you could argue 2007, not because we should have won, but because we were so close it was HISTORICAL). When was Philly's last Super Bowl win? Chicago's?

 

[Kontradiction]

Unless the Carolina beat writer I heard who said that Peppers' desire for money over all else is very overrated and he isn't really nearly as motivated by money as some think, I am beginning to think that it is very doubtful that he is coming here. I might be willing to go the Elvis Dumerville route and give up the first and third for him or see if McDaniels would take something else in trade. Granted the Pats would have to get a third to do it.

Dumervil struggles even more than Peppers against the run. He's a dangerous pass rusher, but I wouldn't give up a first and a third for his pass rush abilities alone.

 

[JackBauer]

I'd rather give up a first and third for an unhappy Merriman in SD. Don't think Dumervil is even close worth it, and it's doubtful that Merriman is worth it with the concerns, but if we are going to give up a 1st and 3rd I'd much rather it be for Merriman.

What's with your affinity for overrated Chargers

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Unless the Carolina beat writer I heard who said that Peppers' desire for money over all else is very overrated and he isn't really nearly as motivated by money as some think, I am beginning to think that it is very doubtful that he is coming here. I might be willing to go the Elvis Dumerville route and give up the first and third for him or see if McDaniels would take something else in trade. Granted the Pats would have to get a third to do it.

Which phantom 2010 3rd round pick will the Pats give up for a guy who is one trick pony(no pun intended) ?

Dummerville will get crushed trying to set the edge in our system, unless he bulks up another 20-30lbs

 

[DonBlackmon55]

I'd rather give up a first and third for an unhappy Merriman in SD. Don't think Dumervil is even close worth it, and it's doubtful that Merriman is worth it with the concerns, but if we are going to give up a 1st and 3rd I'd much rather it be for Merriman.

Glad you don't run the Pats, cuz whack jobs like you would run that organization right back into the days Ray Agnew and Chris Singleton.

A 1st and 3rd for Merriroid...Heck why not just trade them all 4 picks in first 2 rounds for Merriroid. :bricks:

 

[Kontradiction]

Which phantom 2010 3rd round pick will the Pats give up for a guy who is one trick pony(no pun intended) ?

Dummerville will get crushed trying to set the edge in our system, unless he bulks up another 20-30lbs

When you say "our system", you are aware that Denver played in essentially the same type of system, right?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

When you say "our system", you are aware that Denver played in essentially the same type of system, right?

Um, wrong.

 

[Rob0729]

Which phantom 2010 3rd round pick will the Pats give up for a guy who is one trick pony(no pun intended) ?

Dummerville will get crushed trying to set the edge in our system, unless he bulks up another 20-30lbs

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Go back and read my post and get your answer. Love people people who think they are clever by acting like they are smarter than other people only to look foolish because they don't read. I acknowledged in my original post that the Pats would have to acquire a third round pick to get Dumerville.

BTW, word is that the Broncos may be willing to deal Dumerville for less than a first and a third. Actually, the Broncos haven't even tendered Dumerville yet and it could be less than a first and a third.

Personally, I would rather have Peppers, but he might get too expensive. I would rather overpay for Peppers than get Dumerville for draft picks, but at some point Peppers will be too expensive.