Reiss: Lesson can be learned from Jets

[Jangles]

Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

If the Pats stop giving 10-15 yard cushions on third down, I would be most appreciative. I swear, I felt more confident in the Pats' ability (not just this year, BTW) to stop 3rd-and-2 than to stop 3rd-and-15.

I also wonder how much the team will benefit from removing the main malignancy in the locker room (the guy who made the "Humble Pie" shirts two years ago).

I'm glad I'm not alone

I was much more confident with a 3rd and 5 than a 3rd and 15

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Lets be honest. The Jets were down only 5 points when the Colts pulled there starters. The Colts probably would have won with their starters but it certainly not set in stone. As for the Bengals there would have beaten then even if there had played their best team.
There have a great defense, a great running game and their qb has played competently enough.

this sanchez kid now is getting more and more confident.

 

[ALP]

Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

If the Pats stop giving 10-15 yard cushions on third down, I would be most appreciative. I swear, I felt more confident in the Pats' ability (not just this year, BTW) to stop 3rd-and-2 than to stop 3rd-and-15.
I also wonder how much the team will benefit from removing the main malignancy in the locker room (the guy who made the "Humble Pie" shirts two years ago).

totally agree, i would wish for 3rd and 2, so that the opposing offense would run it and get stuffed, rather than 3rd and long, where they would pass and suceed

until the raves playoff game of course, when things were reversed

 

[Deus Irae]

Deus I know this Colts team is overrated, but can't you see this Jets team giving them fits on Sunday? I cry when I watch their defense now (and their offensive line).

Anything's possible when it comes to the playoffs. That being said, I expect that the problems that plagued the Colts in the first matchup (clear lack of interest, pulling starters, etc...) will be non-factors this weekend. I think it's more likely that the Colts annihilate the Jets than it is that the Jets win the game outright. Of course, I thought the Bengals would put up a better fight, and I thought the Eagles would beat the Cowboys, so I'm not exactly on a roll when it comes to picking games this postseason.

 

[PittPatriot]

I think the only lesson to be learned from the Jets is one we already knew - it takes a good team, getting hot at the right moment and having some breaks go your way (such as playing TWO teams resting their players to end your season) to make it far in the playoffs. The Pats just didn't have it this year. Maybe they will next year.

:agree:
Ding-ding-ding!
We have a winner!

 

[ausbacker]

The lesson to be learn from the Jets is make sure you hit in the draft if you move up for players. Sanchez and Greene have made the 2009 draft an immediate success for the Jets.

The brutal reality is is that both players have matured and grown up this playoff season, so much so that Sanchez is making pretty good reads and throws and Greene has covered the loss of Leon Washington.

That 3 pronged running attack of Jones, Washington and Greene is going to provide headaches for many years if they can stick together.

 

[alvinnf]

If the Jets go get a ring, lesson time. If they come up short. What have we learned. Cincinnati is still Cincinnati and Norv Turner is still Norv Turner. Next year when they are all puffed up and ****y ready to walk away with the Super bowl. You know what you'll have then? The Jets!

 

[The_Riddler]

this sanchez kid now is getting more and more confident.

Good things happen when you trade up for top-end talent........

 

[emoney_33]

Good things happen when you trade up for top-end talent........

2 teams laying down for you when you are 7-7 so that you can barely squeak into the playoffs happen when you trade up for talent?

 

[JackBauer]

this sanchez kid now is getting more and more confident.

And your evidence for this is what, exactly? Was it his 12/23 for 100 yards (4.3 YPC), 1 TD and 1 INT (60.1 QB rating) performance against the Chargers?

I suppose, though, that you have a point. It'd be difficult for him to get much worse at this point.

 

[ausbacker]

2 teams laying down for you when you are 7-7 so that you can barely squeak into the playoffs happen when you trade up for talent?

Bull****. The Jets still had to beat them to go 9-7. Stop denigrating the Jets. They are playing in the AFC Championship game and beat 2 quality opponents in the playoffs to get there.

 

[emoney_33]

Bull****. The Jets still had to beat them to go 9-7. Stop denigrating the Jets. They are playing in the AFC Championship game and beat 2 quality opponents in the playoffs to get there.

bull****? How is the fact that both of their last 2 opponents layed down bull****? I didn't say they got lucky in the playoffs, but they sure as hell are lucky to be IN the playoffs. Once in the tournament, anything can happen, but they only EARNED a 7-7 record. They didn't EARN the last 2 wins.

 

[ausbacker]

bull****? How is the fact that both of their last 2 opponents layed down bull****? I didn't say they got lucky in the playoffs, but they sure as hell are lucky to be IN the playoffs. Once in the tournament, anything can happen, but they only EARNED a 7-7 record. They didn't EARN the last 2 wins.

Pulling starters, resting players call it what you want. You still have to beat the players that are on the field. There's nothing to suggest that the Jets would have lost had the Colts starters stayed on the field or Cinci played all of theirs the following week. Every win is an earned win. To say any less is an embarrassment to your opinion.

 

[emoney_33]

Pulling starters, resting players call it what you want. You still have to beat the players that are on the field. There's nothing to suggest that the Jets would have lost had the Colts starters stayed on the field or Cinci played all of theirs the following week. Every win is an earned win. To say any less is an embarrassment to your opinion.

So are you saying that beating 2nd stringers and Curtis painter is an accomplishment? Are you really suggesting that is EARNING the victory, when you are playing against 2nd stringers?

There is a lot to suggest that the Jets would have lost, their 7-7 record and the Colts 14-0 record suggest that the Colts were a much better team over the first 14 games of the season. If another team was 13-1 or 14-0, the Colts play to win and the Jets lose.

Every win is NOT an "earned" win in the NFL when you are playing an opponent that is lying down and doesn't care. It's like arguing pre-season victories have meaning. When one team stops competing, competition is over.

 

[SanAngeloState]

bull****? How is the fact that both of their last 2 opponents layed down bull****? I didn't say they got lucky in the playoffs, but they sure as hell are lucky to be IN the playoffs. Once in the tournament, anything can happen, but they only EARNED a 7-7 record. They didn't EARN the last 2 wins.

It's peripheral to the lessons we can learn from them.

Good drafting, an aggressive defense, a strong OL and running game (with solid RBs instead of spindly legged Maroney) yield good results. Even if they got lucky in getting in, once in they are doing very, very well. Much better than we did getting blown out in an embarassing laugher.

 

[ausbacker]

So are you saying that beating 2nd stringers and Curtis painter is an accomplishment? Are you really suggesting that is EARNING the victory, when you are playing against 2nd stringers?

There is a lot to suggest that the Jets would have lost, their 7-7 record and the Colts 14-0 record suggest that the Colts were a much better team over the first 14 games of the season. If another team was 13-1 or 14-0, the Colts play to win and the Jets lose.

Every win is NOT an "earned" win in the NFL when you are playing an opponent that is lying down and doesn't care. It's like arguing pre-season victories have meaning. When one team stops competing, competition is over.

This sort of opinion is ill-informed and denigrates the word competition in my opinion. Painter went out there in the game to lose it for the Colts. Yeah I buy into that.

The reality is the Jets were down 5 points when Manning was pulled, and he wasn't exactly playing out of this world at that point. What happens if he stays in, along with the rest of the starters who knows, what happened when the starters were pulled is history. It's undeniable fact. The Colts were still 5 points up. The Jets had to win against the second stringers. They did. Pulling starters or not, that's an earned win.

To be perfectly honest, I don't know how much credence I'll give any of your opinion anymore because of your competing quote. Just because they are second stringers doesn't mean they aren't competing as individuals and as a team. It makes me wonder if you ever played sport to a high level, or if you just watch it and pass commentary.

 

[emoney_33]

It's peripheral to the lessons we can learn from them.

Good drafting, an aggressive defense, a strong OL and running game (with solid RBs instead of spindly legged Maroney) yield good results. Even if they got lucky in getting in, once in they are doing very, very well. Much better than we did getting blown out in an embarassing laugher.

So you are saying it's good to build your team in such a way that getting into the playoffs requires a lot of luck, but once there you -could- succeed? I fail to grasp that logic. They were a 7-7 team before 2 teams with nothing to play for didn't try. That is not what you strive to be, and if we were ever 7-7 after 14 games this board would call us the biggest bust since the dawn of NFL and compare us to 0-16 teams.

 

[emoney_33]

This sort of opinion is ill-informed and denigrates the word competition in my opinion. Painter went out there in the game to lose it for the Colts. Yeah I buy into that.

Painter played 0 meaningful snaps for the Colts. Painter has about 1/100th the knowledge and skill of Peyton. You could have gone into the game with all the desire in the world to win but that doesn't mean that it's fair competition. It was a joke, and my opinion does not denigrate the word competition at ALL. The Colts denigrated that word when they layed down like the chicken-**** franchise they are.

The reality is the Jets were down 5 points when Manning was pulled, and he wasn't exactly playing out of this world at that point. What happens if he stays in, along with the rest of the starters who knows, what happened when the starters were pulled is history. It's undeniable fact. The Colts were still 5 points up. The Jets had to win against the second stringers. They did. Pulling starters or not, that's an earned win.

The Jets were down 5 points. Manning has out-of-this world 4th quarter numbers this season. The Jets offense sucks. Peyton is infinitely better than Painter. For you to even suggest that 2nd stringers offer the same level of competition and chances is a joke.

To be perfectly honest, I don't know how much credence I'll give any of your opinion anymore because of your competing quote. Just because they are second stringers doesn't mean they aren't competing as individuals and as a team. It makes me wonder if you ever played sport to a high level, or if you just watch it and pass commentary.

It doesn't matter if they personally are competing, they are 2nd stringers lacking talent and game conditioning and cohesion of the starting unit. Do you expect the Patriots to compete with anyone with their 2nd stringers? I can't for the life of me understand how you fail to grasp that Peyton Manning is 100x better than Curtis Painter. I played sports, and as a competitor it isn't fun playing against easy opponents. I don't even enjoy competition when my opponent is no match, regardless of how hard they TRY.

The Colts 2nd stringers do NOT qualify as a bonafide NFL team, and I don't care how badly they want to win.

 

[aluminum seats]

This sort of opinion is ill-informed and denigrates the word competition in my opinion. Painter went out there in the game to lose it for the Colts. Yeah I buy into that.

The reality is the Jets were down 5 points when Manning was pulled, and he wasn't exactly playing out of this world at that point. What happens if he stays in, along with the rest of the starters who knows, what happened when the starters were pulled is history. It's undeniable fact. The Colts were still 5 points up. The Jets had to win against the second stringers. They did. Pulling starters or not, that's an earned win.

To be perfectly honest, I don't know how much credence I'll give any of your opinion anymore because of your competing quote. Just because they are second stringers doesn't mean they aren't competing as individuals and as a team. It makes me wonder if you ever played sport to a high level, or if you just watch it and pass commentary.

I'm in New York, and even the Jets fans here would laugh at you. They were given the wins. Snap out of it.

 

[ausbacker]

Painter played 0 meaningful snaps for the Colts. Painter has about 1/100th the knowledge and skill of Peyton. You could have gone into the game with all the desire in the world to win but that doesn't mean that it's fair competition. It was a joke, and my opinion does not denigrate the word competition at ALL. The Colts denigrated that word when they layed down like the chicken-**** franchise they are.

The Jets were down 5 points. Manning has out-of-this world 4th quarter numbers this season. The Jets offense sucks. Peyton is infinitely better than Painter. For you to even suggest that 2nd stringers offer the same level of competition and chances is a joke.

It doesn't matter if they personally are competing, they are 2nd stringers lacking talent and game conditioning and cohesion of the starting unit. Do you expect the Patriots to compete with anyone with their 2nd stringers? I can't for the life of me understand how you fail to grasp that Peyton Manning is 100x better than Curtis Painter. I played sports, and as a competitor it isn't fun playing against easy opponents. I don't even enjoy competition when my opponent is no match, regardless of how hard they TRY.

The Colts 2nd stringers do NOT qualify as a bonafide NFL team, and I don't care how badly they want to win.

All you are illustrating is your dislike for the Jets, which is coming through like a wildfire, so much so that's it's blinded your want to acknowledge their accomplishments this season.

Sprout all the justifications you like as I'm yet to meet a sportsman or woman who goes out there with the mentality they aren't going to win or succeed. Manning is infinitely better than Painter, that's not the object of the discussion. The object of the discussion is that the Jets still had to beat the Colts who were in front at the time. They did and even allowing for the drop off in talent by playing second stringers, you still refuse to acknowledge that the Jets had to earn the win.