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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    I'd agree. I give this article a big Meh.

    With that in mind, I think the 2009 Pats definitely lacked identity. I'd like to see the following for 2010:

    1. On offense, something like what the Saints have - a pass-oriented offense but with good running balance including integration of RBs into the passing game, and too many weapons to cover. A healthy Brandon Tate, a veteran 3rd WR, an all-purpose RB like CJ Spiller, and a RG replacement for Stephen Neal could make this an achievable goal.

    2. On defense, a more attacking style while still being based on the 3-4. Solidifying the ILB position with a FA like Karlos Dansby or a rookie like Rolando McClain, plus a pass rusher or two, could go a long way to make implementing this possible.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    CJ Spiller is my binky, but he may be gone long before our pick.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    If the Pats stop giving 10-15 yard cushions on third down, I would be most appreciative. I swear, I felt more confident in the Pats' ability (not just this year, BTW) to stop 3rd-and-2 than to stop 3rd-and-15.

    I also wonder how much the team will benefit from removing the main malignancy in the locker room (the guy who made the "Humble Pie" shirts two years ago).
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Mike, really with the "identity" angle? There is NOTHING to be said for "identity" aside from fun fan sports talk keyword.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Agreed. I'm sick and tired of the 'bend but don't break' approach. Would like us to be much more aggressive on 3rd down (actually, all downs to be honest).
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    If we had the talent of the jets on defense, we would be more agreesive in our schemes.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    They need to rush the passer much better than they have, and that means drafting and jumping into FA. I think they have to change their business model like everything else things change and evolve.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    yeah i tweeted him about it.Its about better players and better tacklers.If the jets had the pats defense their 3 running plays offense wouldnt work
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    Bend but don't break was fine when it was winning...and it won a lot over an entire decade.

    The mediots used to laud this team for it's ability to be chameleons. I think what it boils down to for the media is they like whatever is winning... Which is the classic kneejerk, frontrunner mentality. Great consistently successful HC's like Bill have the courage of their convictions because that is what got them there. Which fans and mediots believe is laudable when you win but somehow a character flaw when you don't...

    What the JETS have accomplished to date says a lot more about the league and the teams they beat, including two who intentionally laid down for them to even allow them to make the playoffs (they were a .500 team absent that and should have finished the season at .500 or below) and two classically (and one consistently) overhyped, highly talented underachievers.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    If I were BB The only "lesson" I could learn from the Jets is the one about trying to convince the schedule makers to hook you up with 2 teams who have nothing to play for in your last 2 weeks.

    The quote in my sig says it all.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    How many Pats defenders would start for the Jets? I pause after Wilfork.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    It's not scheme, identity, all the intangible BS everyone likes to focus on.

    There's a whole lot of ways to play defense. The problem is none of them work without really good players. That is where the Pats defensive issues have been in recent years. Put really good players out there and the scheme will work fine.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Wilfork, Warren, Adalius, Mayo, Bodden, Merriweather.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Getting Spiller would be great. We'd have to trade up to get a chance to get him though.

    And I don't know if he would fill an area of need as great as OLB, ILB, or a pass rusher is for us.

    That being said, he'd be a great addition to our offense.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Thats the thing, the Jets dont have more talent than us, they just have better coaching. And by Coaching I mean schemes.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Actually that is not true.....The Colts had an undefeated season to play for and the Bengals had the 3rd seed to play for.....But both chose to pass on a 100% try.....They both had something to play for....Don't blame the Jets that they didn't try.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Any reasonable breakdown of the two defenses this year would show a clearly superior Jets squad. The 2009 Patriots would have been able to place only 3 of their players (Wilfork, Warren, Meriweather) in the Jets starting rotation. The other 8 spots, including every linebacker position, would have gone to the Jets*. All the cries of "Coaching! Scheme!" won't change the reality of personnel.


    * Note that I'm referring to those who were available for most of the season. That means post-injury Mayo rather than pre-injury, and it means Jennings would be out of the discussion.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    If Jenkins is back and healthy,does even Wilfork start?...Hmmmm,not so sure of that
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Haha of course you would use post-injury Mayo.

    Mayo, Adalius and Bodden are all starting on that team. Just because Adalius doesn't like being here, doesn't mean he isn't very talented.
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    but, remember...Mike went over to the dark side when he joined ESPN...no doubt this piece will please his new masters...
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    I would say that if Sanchez didn't struggle with interceptions during the middle of the season, the Jets would have won the division.

    If Brett Favre had stayed this year, you have to wonder how many wins they would have had?
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    if ifs and buts were candy and nuts. If Welker didn't get hurt, if Galloway was any good, if Mayo didn't get hurt, if if if
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    If the Patriots offense could have strung together a couple more 10-play drives in the second halves of their losses, they could have gone 14-2.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    lol nope, your telling me that Jim Leohnard is better than Sanders or McGowan, no hes not, hes making plays in a defense that lets loose and puts heat on the qb forcing them to make a quick decision. If the Jets get you in third and long your in deep sh*t because they are going to bring the house forcing you to dump the ball off. Ty Warren and Jerod Mayo could probably start for the Jets as well, he had 24 less tackles than harris and he played less games. Adalius Thomas flurished in the Ravens scheme when Ryan was there so I can see him starting over Thomas. TBC almost certainly starts over Thomas and Bodden starts over lito Sheppard.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    I'm telling you that neither Sanders nor McGowan would be starters. Mayo of 2009 didn't have a prayer of starting for the 2009 Jets. I listed Warren as a starter. Thomas of 2009 wouldn't have had a prayer of starting for the 2009 Jets. TBC wouldn't have started over any member of the Jets, at any position, and Bodden would have been the nickel, if he could handle the position.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    Of course you're right. And it's only a maybe that Wilfork starts over Jenkins (I see you've smartened up and quit responding to that dolt emoney_33).
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    When you can't handle facts, you fallback to the old saying "ignorance is bliss". Now run along troll.
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    He has written traitorous nonsense. I'm surprised he even has a job after this.

    There isn't one thing the Jets are better at than the Pats. We beat them in every facet of the game, at every position, and especially at coaching. Our drafts have been spectacular, theirs abysmal. How dare he imply otherwise.

    Tar? Feathers?

    If they were to win the SuperBowl I would look forward to shoving it in Jets' faces that we are superior to them, after all we soundly trounced them in the latest game.
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    Re: Reiss:Lesson can be learned from Jets

    I'm not sure Mayo starts for them.
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