Better team, 2009 Patriots or 2009 Jets?

[Kontradiction]

Good points but every defense has some bad games, they have a nice test this week

I actually would not be suprised if they beat San Diego. It's not going to be hard to shut down that running game and Jackson will probably draw Revis, which means that he will essentially be taken out of the game. The only remaining question there is will Leonard, Rhodes, and the secondary be able to contain Gates and Co. Personally, I hope not. But I think this is going to be a much tougher game than the Chargers and their fans are expecting.

 

[Mangold74]

The Patriots are still the better team because of Brady. If you switch qb's then the Jets are cleary the better roster. Since Tannenbaum took over 4 years ago the Jets have drafted Ferguson, Mangold, Eric Smith, Brad Smith, Leon Washington, Revis, Harris, Keller, Sanchez and Shonne Green. They signed Pace, Faneca, Woody, Scott, Leonard amongst others. They traded for Jenkins, Braylon, Thomas Jones and Lito Sheppard.

They have a very good roster but they don't have a proven qb or a pass rusher at OLB to consistently demand double teams.

Sanchez is a rookie qb with 16 college starts that had a bizarre first season. He had a handful of awful games (NO, Buffalo, Pats and ATL) and played pretty well in the majority of his other games. He played as well as could be expected considering that his oc put him in horrible situations.

Sanchez has one hole in his game which BB attacked in the 2nd game. He does not like to check down. A full off season for Sanchez with good coaching and plenty of time with with the recievers and he will be a lot better next year.

IMO the pats need to get back to running the ball and get away from the run and shoot offense. At the end of the day, the league is still about time of possession and turnovers.

 

[MassPats38]

We can sit here and make up every excuse to why the Jets defense is overrated but the fact of the matter is they are the team thats built to win in the playoffs. The Ravens are the same way.

Let's not confuse winning and "built to win." The Bengals were hapless in the final weeks of the season after showing a good running attack and defense early on. The Patriots had defensive issues and the Ravens defense took it to the offense, eliminating that chance to win. The reason the Jets have to run is Sanchez will kill them if he throws. The Ravens have a good run blocking O-line and not much of a passing attack. If either team can win next week, then your argument might have some force, but until then let's just call it the right opponent at the right time.

My guess is both teams join the Pats next week in offseason planning.

 

[TheComeback]

The Jets are a better team across the board. The only exception is quarterback... though Tom Brady had a Mark Sanchez-like performance on Sunday. Without Wes Welker, there's no question the Jets are a better team, in my opinion.

If Sanchez protects the ball, the Jets will be very hard to beat. Their defense is young, which is why they have given up a few game-winning drives this year. But for the most part they are as dominant as you're going to get with the rules the way they are. I'd certainly take their defense over the Patriots.

They have one of the best olines in the league, and two excellent running backs. Shonn Greene is perfect for them.

As for them not deserving to be in the playoffs, that's a bunch of BS. Some posters on this forum were bragging about how the Patriots are really better than 10-6 because we lost some close games... well you could say the same thing about the Jets, except that their defense is legitimate and the Patriots' isn't.

They took advantage of the opportunities they were given and they got in. By the way, they're still playing, and the Patriots are sitting at home. You have to face reality at some point. If Sanchez protects the ball they're basically a complete team. I think they'll beat the Chargers this week.

Will they rule the AFC East? I don't think so, but a lot of that depends on the kind of off-season the Patriots have.

 

[Mangold74]

The Jets are a better team across the board. The only exception is quarterback... though Tom Brady had a Mark Sanchez-like performance on Sunday. Without Wes Welker, there's no question the Jets are a better team, in my opinion.

If Sanchez protects the ball, the Jets will be very hard to beat. Their defense is young, which is why they have given up a few game-winning drives this year. But for the most part they are as dominant as you're going to get with the rules the way they are. I'd certainly take their defense over the Patriots.

They have one of the best olines in the league, and two excellent running backs. Shonn Greene is perfect for them.

As for them not deserving to be in the playoffs, that's a bunch of BS. Some posters on this forum were bragging about how the Patriots are really better than 10-6 because we lost some close games... well you could say the same thing about the Jets, except that their defense is legitimate and the Patriots' isn't.

They took advantage of the opportunities they were given and they got in. By the way, they're still playing, and the Patriots are sitting at home. You have to face reality at some point. If Sanchez protects the ball they're basically a complete team. I think they'll beat the Chargers this week.

Will they rule the AFC East? I don't think so, but a lot of that depends on the kind of off-season the Patriots have.

A big part of the reason the defense had those break downs late in those games was that Sanchez kept the defense in bad situations all day with the picks (Jax and Atl). I don't care what defense you put on the field, if your qb throws 2 or 3 picks and puts your defense in bad situations, eventually it will catch up with you.

 

[JR4]

When i voted I used the 2009 regular season not the Playoffs.
In the regular season the PATs were the better team. Without
Welker the team was just starting to adjust. If the PATs played a
a few more games without Welker I think they could then beat the Jets.

 

[PatsChamp88]

I actually would not be suprised if they beat San Diego. It's not going to be hard to shut down that running game and Jackson will probably draw Revis, which means that he will essentially be taken out of the game. The only remaining question there is will Leonard, Rhodes, and the secondary be able to contain Gates and Co. Personally, I hope not. But I think this is going to be a much tougher game than the Chargers and their fans are expecting.

Yeah San Diego's run game doesn't scare anyone but I think Rivers does, he is one of top QBs in the league that goes unnoticed to a degree. I like San Diego if they use Darren Sproles hes so good in space and especially on screen plays personally I think hes a match up nightmare for the Jets. The problem for San Diego is that if the Jets run game gets going in full strength its not only going to limit Rivers possessions but also keep the Jest defense fresh. However I think we are looking at a close game only if the Jets running game succeeds, guess we'll have to wait and see!

 

[Mangold74]

Yeah San Diego's run game doesn't scare anyone but I think Rivers does, he is one of top QBs in the league that goes unnoticed to a degree. I like San Diego if they use Darren Sproles hes so good in space and especially on screen plays personally I think hes a match up nightmare for the Jets. The problem for San Diego is that if the Jets run game gets going in full strength its not only going to limit Rivers possessions but also keep the Jest defense fresh. However I think we are looking at a close game only if the Jets running game succeeds, guess we'll have to wait and see!

The Pats are probably the only team that really shut down the Jets running game. Wilfork is such a beast in the middle. If Jamal Williams was healthy I would be worried but he's not playing and I doubt the chargers will be able to stop the jets running game.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Defense wins ball games and the 2009 Patriots were FAR from the Jets in terms of overall talent.

Imagine if Jenkins did not get hurt of how good that defense would be even more?.

 

[Dagg]

Its still us.

The Jets made the playoffs at 7-7 with 2 wins handed to them by Indy and Cincy, by all accounts they shouldnt have evn made the playoffs, if Indy plays there starters they dont make the playoffs.

Sanchize is a mess and will be exposed this week. Predicting 2 to 3 picks.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Its still us.

The Jets made the playoffs at 7-7 with 2 wins handed to them by Indy and Cincy, by all accounts they shouldnt have evn made the playoffs, if Indy plays there starters they dont make the playoffs.

Sanchize is a mess and will be exposed this week. Predicting 2 to 3 picks.

Jets win in SD they surpass the Pats in wins and in playoff success.

They are even-steven right now. Barely.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Let's not confuse winning and "built to win." The Bengals were hapless in the final weeks of the season after showing a good running attack and defense early on. The Patriots had defensive issues and the Ravens defense took it to the offense, eliminating that chance to win. The reason the Jets have to run is Sanchez will kill them if he throws. The Ravens have a good run blocking O-line and not much of a passing attack. If either team can win next week, then your argument might have some force, but until then let's just call it the right opponent at the right time.

My guess is both teams join the Pats next week in offseason planning.

Fair enough, I don't think the Jets will win this week but The Ravens will. Its well known that teams that can run the ball and play defense win in the playoffs. Both teams can control the clock so you have to come out guns blazing and take an early lead.

 

[Mr. Pollard]

Top to bottom their roster is head and shoulders above the patriots right now.

Once that rookie qb gets up to speed in the coming years they are going to
be a handful, they have so much young elite talent across that roster, it's crazy.

They are just scratching the surface this year. BB needs to hit on soe big time picks this and next year to catch up

 

[chevss454]

Top to bottom their roster is head and shoulders above the patriots right now.

Once that rookie qb gets up to speed in the coming years they are going to
be a handful, they have so much young elite talent across that roster, it's crazy.

They are just scratching the surface this year. BB needs to hit on soe big time picks this and next year to catch up

Exactly what I am thinking, chowda.

BTW, whatifsports..com is gives the Jets 15.9% chance to win the SB and gives the Colts 6.6% chance.
Team WC Win % DIV Win % CC Win % SB Win %
New York Jets 68.0% 43.8% 29.0% 15.9%
New Orleans Saints - 59.5% 27.6% 14.6%
Minnesota Vikings - 50.3% 27.1% 14.0%
Dallas Cowboys 63.0% 36.3% 24.4% 13.7%
Baltimore Ravens 59.1% 36.3% 18.1% 9.7%
San Diego Chargers - 43.5% 19.0% 7.0%
Indianapolis Colts - 39.0% 17.0% 6.6%
Philadelphia Eagles 37.0% 19.1% 9.4% 6.2%
Green Bay Packers 65.2% 26.6% 10.0% 4.2%
New England Patriots 40.9% 20.9% 8.7% 3.8%
Cincinnati Bengals 32.0% 16.7% 8.3% 3.7%
Arizona Cardinals 34.8% 8.2% 1.6% 0.6%

Go figure

 

[Disco Volante]

As for them not deserving to be in the playoffs, that's a bunch of BS.

Are you seriously implying that the undefeated Colts would have lost to the Jets had Peyton Manning and half of the starters (with a 15-10 home lead) not been pulled in the 3rd quarter?

Are you then also saying the Bengals, who RESTED their best offensive player and multiple starters in week 17 gave the Jets a legitimate football game?

There is absolutley no excuse for believing that, none. The Jets were 7-7 this regular season in legitimate football games where the other team wanted to win.

 

[vyrago]

I posted this in another thread, but it really belongs here, is anywhere.
According to Bob Ryan on Globe 10.0, the Jets are going to win the AFC East next year.

What's with this Jets fear? The Bungles, esp. Palmer played like the haven't-won-a-playoff-game-in-19-years team they are. Palmer couldn't throw it in the ocean.

Maybe someone in the Cinn FO forgot to rescind the lie down for the Jets order from the week before.

I expect the Chargers to beat them soundly, but should they beat the Chargers, the Colts won't let them through the gate again.

 

[mayoclinic]

First 3 games of the season, the Jets were a better team.

The past 2 games (including the wild card week), the Jets have been the better team.

From games 4-15 the Pats were a much better team.

 

[Mr. Pollard]

Who cares about Palmer or anyone else for that matter the Jets are playing with a rookie qb who only played 16 games in college.

Look at their roster, they're loaded and they have a head coach whose is a "true genius" on the defensive side of the ball. Hate to say it but Sanchez is going to be a stud, once he's up to speed they'll be lethal.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

the jets are only capable of one decent year at a time.......they will be turds next year

 

[WhiZa]

top 22 players, I would take the Jets. OC and DC go to the Jets. HC, system, and overall depth would go to the Pats. So since we're talking about team, I think the Pats win overall.