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Maybe two and done. Once I realized I was reading the blogs of people who work at Lowe's (because that is a difficult job), I realized what a overwhelming waste of time this all is. I guess I stick to figuring things out for myself.

God bless you and may you never have people like yourselves seeking your head.

Thanks for the input, coach O'Brien.
 
Maybe two and done. Once I realized I was reading the blogs of people who work at Lowe's (because that is a difficult job), I realized what a overwhelming waste of time this all is. I guess I stick to figuring things out for myself.

God bless you and may you never have people like yourselves seeking your head.

I'm 19, full time student and work part time at Lowes

god I'm a failure
 
To think we had Dom Capers here last year and BB chose Pees over him...do we have a vomit smilie?

Capers defense gave up .8 more points per game than the Pats defense this year and the Cards hung 50+ on them yesterday. Yes some of those are on the offense but so were some of the Ravens points yesterday.
 
Maybe two and done. Once I realized I was reading the blogs of people who work at Lowe's (because that is a difficult job), I realized what a overwhelming waste of time this all is. I guess I stick to figuring things out for myself.

God bless you and may you never have people like yourselves seeking your head.

Looks like someone went to McDonald's and had an UNHAPPY Meal! :rolleyes:
 
This coaching staff should be torn up. The team should be blown to bits as one other poster put it.

The whole philosophy of boring, predictable, stare down randy moss then dump off to welker offense and weak passive can't pass rush to save our lives defense has to GO. And I don't care if the homers hate me for saying it. IT'S THE TRUTH.

As for pees or whomever, they've already made a ton of money at this game, they need no sympathy.
 
Capers defense gave up .8 more points per game than the Pats defense this year and the Cards hung 50+ on them yesterday. Yes some of those are on the offense but so were some of the Ravens points yesterday.

I don't care that Capers D gave up not even 1 point more per game. Capers just got there and is working with a bunch of new pieces, plus has show that he is always able to build a solid D after a year or two. Pees' defense has let us down time after time after time, and besides the "Nickle and Dime" I never saw anything even remotely exciting/interesting/proven to be able to win from them since he took over.
 
Has Belichick ever FIRED a Coordinator before or did all of them just leave for other teams?

I can't remember any he dismissed because of lack of success
 
I don't care that Capers D gave up not even 1 point more per game. Capers just got there and is working with a bunch of new pieces, plus has show that he is always able to build a solid D after a year or two. Pees' defense has let us down time after time after time, and besides the "Nickle and Dime" I never saw anything even remotely exciting/interesting/proven to be able to win from them since he took over.

Other than that whole "16-0" thing, right?
 
If you are talking about Belichick in his years with the patriots, no of course no coordinators have been fired because of lack of success. This should not be considered unusual since in the last nine season, we have won at least 9 games every year and have won 7 divisions.

Has Belichick ever FIRED a Coordinator before or did all of them just leave for other teams?

I can't remember any he dismissed because of lack of success
 
Has Belichick ever FIRED a Coordinator before or did all of them just leave for other teams?

I can't remember any he dismissed because of lack of success

While I think you're right, Belichick has been around to see Al Groh demoted, Charlie Weis demoted, etc., so I'm not sure he would be all that averse to it.
 
What you watched yesterday was the complete destruction of the Patriots.

The offense was predictable, the Ravens knew what play were being called by listening to the line calls. Brady looked disinterested, Moss was invisable, the running backs couldn't hit the holes and O line couldn't make many holes. The offensive line played well against the ok teams and baddly against the good teams. They don't run block all that well and against pressure up the middle they don't pass block at all.

The defense was better than the final score said it was, but it still didn't play well enough to win. We witnessed the difference between a finesse defense and a physical defense, and physical won. Is there any doubt that the linebackers for Baltimore are better by far than the linebackers for the Patriots? Belichick hasn't drafted that position well and it is showing. The defensive backfield is bad. The younger players don't show a whole lot of promise and the veterans are just OK.

Special teams have been a problem all year, and yesterday it killed us. It seemed that every time the Pats had a little momentum, a big special teams play sucked the mo right out of them.

We need:
Offense Coordinator - There is a problem here. Because of the scheme we use there aren't a whole lot of people available to fill the position. Obviously O'Brien isn't the answer.

Defensive Coordinator - The talent pool is better in this area. All I ask is aggressive.

Wide recievers - Moss disappeared the second half of the season. Welker/Edleman are pretty good, the rest are really ordinary to below ordinary.

Linebackers - Mayo? What the hell happened to him? The rest can be replaced by any of the other journeyman LB's out there, and that is the problem. It is time to either take advantage of the talent on the team or get new talent. Thomas can't be that bad, it has to be scheme. Burgess was a stud a couple of years ago, is he a bust or a victim of Dean Pees? What the hell are Eric Alexander and Pierre Woods doing on this team? There has to be upgrades to the backup LB position.

I have no idea how to fix these holes immediately, but getting new coordinators would be a good start, I think. Once we have them in place let them decide who is a good fit and who needs to be removed. One thing about this is that it should be an active offseason. If it isn't we amy not make the playoffs next year.


Frame. This. Post.

This is as good a synopsis of what's wrong with the Patsies as I've read in a while.

Getting new pro & college evaluators would be a good start, too...perhaps even a better start, because the talent base is deteriorating and is not even close to being adequately replenished.
 
The offensive system obviously needs some changes. The announcers stated several times how comfortable Ray Lewis was with this offense and how a lot of times he knew what plays were coming based on the formations. This is completely the OC's fault.
 
Last I checked, that season ended with a defensive letdown. Or did you miss Super Bowl 42?

No, I didn't miss it. However, only the ignorant blame that loss on the defense. The 17 points scored by the Giants were the fewest points scored by a Super Bowl winner since 1975.

As a matter of fact, the defense surrendered an average of 17.1 ppg throughout the course of the year, and it allowed 17 points in the Super Bowl.

The problem in the Super Bowl was the offense. The offense, which averaged 36.8 ppg for the season, and hadn't scored fewer than 20 points in the previous 18 games, was held to just 14 points.
 
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More stats, more stats. I saw what stats said at the end of the 07 season, and I saw who was holding the Lombardi, and it didn't match up.

If you prefer Dean Pees, that is fine. I don't, and wish Capers would have been the man Belichick chose to run the D. But you cannot call me a blind BB homer when I am actively disagreeing with him about our DC. Just like I do not think you are a knee jerk bandwagon fan just because you were upset with the Seymour trade or the way the late players were punished.
 
More stats, more stats. I saw what stats said at the end of the 07 season, and I saw who was holding the Lombardi, and it didn't match up.

If you prefer Dean Pees, that is fine. I don't, and wish Capers would have been the man Belichick chose to run the D. But you cannot call me a blind BB homer when I am actively disagreeing with him about our DC. Just like I do not think you are a knee jerk bandwagon fan just because you were upset with the Seymour trade or the way the late players were punished.

I wasn't calling you a blind homer. I know full well your opinion of such people is similar to mine, actually. Your argument about Pees is simply wrong, and the evidence is there to back up my position on that. There's nothing wrong with preferring Capers, although I wouldn't personally fall on that side of the ledger. My issue is that you completely disparage everything Pees has accomplished while dealing with the aging of the defense and the replacing of Pro Bowl level talent with guys like Green, Guyton, etc....
 
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I wasn't calling you a blind homer. I know full well your opinion of such people is similar to mine, actually. Your argument about Pees is simply wrong, and the evidence is there to back up my position on that. There's nothing wrong with preferring Capers, although I wouldn't personally fall on that side of the ledger. My issue is that you completely disparage everything Pees has accomplished while dealing with the aging of the defense and the replacing of Pro Bowl level talent with guys like Green, Guyton, etc....

Fair enough. I think that would lead us to more of a player discussion instead of a DC discussion, though.
 
Fair enough. I think that would lead us to more of a player discussion instead of a DC discussion, though.

Well, the problem with evaluating coordinators on this team is that Belichick is a hands on coach who micromanages both sides of the ball. He's the one responsible for all that we see, as he noted today in his WEEI interview. We saw the development of McDaniels rise to the point where Belichick seemed to ignore the offense on game day, while focusing on the defense, but how much of that was confidence in McDaniels and how much was lack of confidence in Pees is something we really don't know. Now, if Pees gets the axe this offseason, that will be telling. Whether it will be telling about Pees or Belichick, I leave up to you.
 
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Well, the problem with evaluating coordinators on this team is that Belichick is a hands on coach who micromanages both sides of the ball. He's the one responsible for all that we see, as he noted today in his WEEI interview. We saw the development of McDaniels rise to the point where Belichick seemed to ignore the offense on game day, while focusing on the defense, but how much of that was confidence in McDaniels and how much was lack of confidence in Pees is something we really don't know. Now, if Pees gets the axe this offseason, that will be telling. Whether it will be telling about Pees or Belichick, I leave up to you.

If it were up to you, would you do any of the following:

1) Fire Pees, hire a replacement DC (I realize this is a bit difficult since "replacement" could run the gamut between much improved and much worse, but in theory...)

2) Hire an OC, relegate O'Brien to QB coach.

3) Fire any of the assistant coaches, and replace them.
 
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All of it. Fire them all.

"Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!".

"Mr. Kraft, TEAR DOWN THIS COACHING STAFF."

The pats fans are being held hostage to incompetent coaches and washed up players.

Firing all the assistant coaches of the NEP won't solve the problem. The problem goes much deeper than that. Kraft must sell the team and the new owner must fire BB. It is pretty clear Kraft is not only the worst owner in all of the NFL but in all of professional sports. And BB should never have gotten another job in the NFL after he was fired in Cleveland.

(This may very well be the dumbest thread ever on patsfans.com)
 
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