OT: Peyton is best of the decade because he was so classy after 14-1

[muslimman]

Abandoning your pregnant girlfriend. Class act and model father.

You're pathetic... this is a football forum you moron.

 

[Patspsycho]

Abandoning your pregnant girlfriend. Class act and model father.

Can you show me any proof that this is precisely what happened?

 

[PatsFan24]

Lobbying after not being touched is pretty sad on Brady's part. Manning has a far inferior offensive line than Brady and takes more punishment than Brady. At times Brady literally has like 5 or 6 seconds to throw the ball. Very few QB's have that luxury. Ray Lewis is one of the most feared hitters in football so his opinion on QB toughness and character should be held in high regard. I have never heard him call out Manning like he did Brady even though the colts have beaten the Ravens a lot as of late. I'm not bashing Brady as he's a great QB but let's look at things objectively here.

What a joke. Lewis was not even dogging Brady, he was upset about the way the game was called.

 

[PatsFan24]

Abandoning your pregnant girlfriend. Class act and model father.

you troll.....will not have a chance to post this rubbish much longer.

 

[Patspsycho]

you troll.....will not have a chance to post this rubbish much longer.

I'm hoping to have a little more fun with him before he gets smoked.

 

[RWayne911]

Very little else? Brady has a much better TD:INT ratio, basically the same TD%, and plays in much tougher weather conditions. The defenses aren't that far apart if you look at the numbers over the last ten years, and Brady's winning % is much higher. All this, and Brady has played all but two years of his career with receivers that are not elite; Manning has always had 1-2 pro bowl caliber receivers/tight ends. Despite the smoke and mirrors and herky jerks of Manning, Brady's smooth, methodical demeanor has basically earned him the same QB rating despite all of those above factors in Manning's favor.

PLUS Brady is clearly, plainly, and strikingly better when the stakes are highest. Manning's lone Super Bowl run: 3 TDs, 7 INTs. The second worst playoff/SB rating in history for winning QB.

Manning (this decade) - 42,159 yards, 314 TDs, 137 interceptions, 65.9 completion percentage, 7.8 YPA, 98.2 QB Rating

Brady (this decade) - 30,658 yards, 225 TDs, 98 interceptions, 63.3 completion percentage, 7.3 YPA, 93.5 QB Rating

Playoffs -
Manning (this decade) - 3,981 yards, 22 TDs, 17 interceptions, 63 completion percentage, 7.6 YPA, 86.6 QB Rating

Brady (this decade) - 3,954 yards, 26 TDs, 12 interceptions, 62.5 completion percentage, 6.6 YPA, 88.0 QB Rating

Combined (regular season & playoffs this decade) -
Manning - 46,140 yards, 336 TDs, 154 interceptions, 65 completion percentage, 7.7 YPA, 96.3 QB Rating

Brady - 34,612 yards, 251 TDs, 110 interceptions, 63 completion percentage, 7.2 YPA, 92.8 QB Rating


Let the flame war begin...

 

[jmt57]

Lobbying after not being touched is pretty sad on Brady's part. Manning has a far inferior offensive line than Brady and takes more punishment than Brady. At times Brady literally has like 5 or 6 seconds to throw the ball. Very few QB's have that luxury. Ray Lewis is one of the most feared hitters in football so his opinion on QB toughness and character should be held in high regard. I have never heard him call out Manning like he did Brady even though the colts have beaten the Ravens a lot as of late. I'm not bashing Brady as he's a great QB but let's look at things objectively here.

Okay Ray, if you want to look at things objectively then lets look at every play from every game of the entire season. Count every time any player lobbied for a flag. Tally them all up and let's see what players, teams and positions ask for a flag the most. I'm confident in saying the answers to those questions are not Brady, the Pats, or quarterbacks.

As for Ray Lewis and his reputation, I'm not even going to bother going there. But to say "Manning has a far inferior offensive line", well that just exposes your lack of knowlege of the NFL. Manning gets hit far less often than almost any other NFL quarterback thanks in large part to his line. All I can guess is that you're assuming that a mediocre team rushing game equates to poor pass protection by the offensive line. The ability of an offensive line to run block has nothing to do with their pass protection abilities.

 

[ray mercer]

Okay Ray, if you want to look at things objectively then lets look at every play from every game of the entire season. Count every time any player lobbied for a flag. Tally them all up and let's see what players, teams and positions ask for a flag the most. I'm confident in saying the answers to those questions are not Brady, the Pats, or quarterbacks.

As for Ray Lewis and his reputation, I'm not even going to bother going there. But to say "Manning has a far inferior offensive line", well that just exposes your lack of knowlege of the NFL. Manning gets hit far less often than almost any other NFL quarterback thanks in large part to his line. All I can guess is that you're assuming that a mediocre team rushing game equates to poor pass protection by the offensive line. The ability of an offensive line to run block has nothing to do with their pass protection abilities.

Manning gets hit less because he gets rid of the ball faster than anyone by far. Watching some of the Patriots games from 07 Brady literally has like 5 or 6 seconds to throw the ball. You can't tell me that you guys don't have a great offensive line

 

[jmt57]

Manning gets hit less because he gets rid of the ball faster than anyone by far. Watching some of the Patriots games from 07 Brady literally has like 5 or 6 seconds to throw the ball. You can't tell me that you guys don't have a great offensive line

Way to move those goal posts Ray ... regardless, I'd still say the Colts offensive line is just as good if not better than the Pats offensive line in regards to pass protection. Manning's a great quarterback, but don't make it out to be like Jeff Saturday and crew are the equivalent of Sister Mary and the Blind.

 

[ray mercer]

Way to move those goal posts Ray ... regardless, I'd still say the Colts offensive line is just as good if not better than the Pats offensive line in regards to pass protection. Manning's a great quarterback, but don't make it out to be like Jeff Saturday and crew are the equivalent of Sister Mary and the Blind.

Mathis and Freeney are two of the best rushers in the league and they trouble getting to Brady. Brady is protected better than Manning. These aren't the Tarik Glenn days.

 

[TheComeback]

Mathis and Freeney are two of the best rushers in the league and they trouble getting to Brady. Brady is protected better than Manning. These aren't the Tarik Glenn days.

Did you watch the 2007 Super Bowl at all? Our oline isn't nearly as great as you're making it out to be. Brady gets hit way more than Peyton does. \

Oh yeah, because your vaunted Freeney and Mathis couldn't get to brady means our oline is the best in the league? Give me a break. We stopped those guys because we can double team Freeney and Mathis. The Colts have no one in the middle of their dline worth worrying about.

Now get the hell off our board.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

whoever wrote that is an idiot.

 

[Patspsycho]

Mathis and Freeney are two of the best rushers in the league and they trouble getting to Brady. Brady is protected better than Manning. These aren't the Tarik Glenn days.

Manning is way better protected than Brady is.. how about that assistant trainer disappearing after Manning dropped his pants on her? Not one word, not a sexual discrimination suit, nothing.. Talk about protection.

 

[Brady2Welker]

It's true that in our most recent engagement with the colts we were able to have our rookie tackle Vollmer fairly effectively stop Freeney, it had a lot to do with chip blocks by either receivers or tight ends.

Because teams like the Jets fail to realize that Dwight Freeney is there and let him rush twice off the edge without being blocked to light up "The Sanchize" isn't because it's the Colt's godly pass rush being shut down by our surperior offensive line, it has to do with the coaching staff and game planning centering a good portion of their attention around shutting down the pash rush.

Similarly, you can see the same type of performance in the recent SNF game of Cardinals vs Vikings, when the premier pass rusher of the season, Jared Allen, rarely got to Warner despite the fact that the Cardinals tackles this year have been less than spectacular, granted the reason they could get away with this is because the lackluster play of their secondary, so they could afford to run some sort of 1RB 1TE 3WR formation.


Point: if a team builds a game plan around shutting down an effective pass rush, they can stop it. Whether it's the offensive line or not is debatable. I personally think it has to do with our coaching staff not being completely ******ed and addressing the situation. Granted, I think our offensive line is performing quite well when Kaczur isn't letting people on through, we dont have the most elite line in the league. Good, but not the best.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Why is the media so obsessed with shining up every move the great white dope makes?
Manning showed how classy he was by standing near the sidelines with helmet and pout on whenever the Colt offense was on the field.
How classy!!

 

[patriotscpfc]

Did you watch the 2007 Super Bowl at all? Our oline isn't nearly as great as you're making it out to be. Brady gets hit way more than Peyton does. \

Oh yeah, because your vaunted Freeney and Mathis couldn't get to brady means our oline is the best in the league? Give me a break. We stopped those guys because we can double team Freeney and Mathis. The Colts have no one in the middle of their dline worth worrying about.

Now get the hell off our board.

Freeney has faults that can be exploited with the right coach and scheme.

Mathis always manages to find a way around Kaczur every year. He won't be doing that with Seabass next year.

 

[chevss454]

Maybe you Manning lickers should read this:
Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Brady vs. Manning: Complete & Unabridged, Vol. II

 

[Jetssuck]

Manning gets hit less because he gets rid of the ball faster than anyone by far. Watching some of the Patriots games from 07 Brady literally has like 5 or 6 seconds to throw the ball. You can't tell me that you guys don't have a great offensive line

Manning's oline has been superior to Brady his whole career. You don't have the third best sacked % of all time, like Manning has, by having a week oline.

 

[L Bizzle]

Maybe you Manning lickers should read this:
Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Brady vs. Manning: Complete & Unabridged, Vol. II

Why would we read a article written in 2004?

 

[Mountain_Commando]

Soooo....this is a discussion about class, eh? And Manning's ballwasher has this to say:

Abandoning your pregnant girlfriend. Class act and model father.

Since we're going digging into closets, lets take a look at your hero's past shall we?

In 1996 Manning moons his female trainer, Jamie Ann Naughrigh, in Tennessee. Is sued, settles out of court, and the woman is literally driven out of town. 4 years later, everyone has forgotten about it, except Manning himself.

In his 2000 book called Manning:A Father, His Sons, and a Football Legacy, "for some unknown and extremely ill-advised reason (our hero couldn't be the vindictive type, could he?), Peyton Manning decided to revive the mooning story, calling his action "crude, maybe, but harmless," while saying the female trainer should have "shrugged (it) off." He also said the woman "had a vulgar mouth.""

The female trainer, Jamie Ann Naughright, who by then was teaching at Florida Southern College with a doctorate in health education, was minding her own business when word got out that Manning had called her vulgar and dredged up what he did to her.

Soon, copies of the book were all over campus, Naughright says, and the resulting notoriety led to a demotion at work.

Then came the lawsuit. (How could there not be a lawsuit?) And the court documents. And the explicit details about the 1996 training room incident from Naughright's attorney that, if correct, show that Manning's definition of a mooning and your definition of a mooning are two entirely different things.

Naughright's attorney says his client, doing her job, was crouching behind Manning to determine why he was having pain in one of his feet when "entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright's head and face." Court documents add graphic body-part details, which we shall omit because you certainly can get the picture.

All right, you say, but this is Peyton Manning, the Boy Scout, and it's just another one of those he-said, she-said stories, right? Well, not exactly. Add another "he" to the equation — on her side. The court record includes a letter to Manning from former Tennessee cross country runner Malcolm Saxon, who Manning said was the intended target of the so-called mooning.

"Bro, you have tons of class," Saxon's letter says, "but you have shown no mercy or grace to this lady who was on her knees seeing if you had a stress fracture. ... You might as well maintain some dignity and admit to what happened. ... Your celebrity doesn't mean you can treat folks that way."

Lawsuit is settled out of court of an undisclosed sum of money, AGAIN.

USATODAY.com - Do you really know your sports hero?
Lawsuit settled; terms confidential - NFL - ESPN


Now stfu about class and talk football, or else get the hell off our board.