Randy Moss is a dog-faker

[The Dynasty]

Brady tries that and gets accused of forcing throws and making bad decisions because Moss doesn't back his play by fighting for tough catches. He did early in 2007 when he was in his prove it phase. That guy disappeared down the stretch and he has never returned. He will still make a play on occasion that leads some of us to believe he could do it more often. But he is firmly wedded to a philosophy of waiting on defenses to be lulled into mistakes where he can catch the ball in the open and not dragged down or hit hard. Maybe he believes the team needs him for the big game and he doesn't want to risk injury. But we're not gonna make the big game unless something changes and he didn't show up the last time although as that game unfolded our OL had as much to do with his limited opportunities as he did. Thing is when you know your opportunities are going to be limited it's imperative you make the most of them. Brady tries to, he cannot do it alone.

I think Moss just needs to step up more when the team needs him the most such as games like yesterday. He makes the big play and the disappears the last 3 quarters. There is no question that he is an elite WR he just needs to do more and take it into a 2nd gear when he needs to and that is what elite WRs do.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

He leads the league in Receiving yards. They can't be taking him out of too many games.

If you check the teams he has played you will see most of those receiving yards came against scrub teams with scrub secondaries.

Once again I am not saying Randy is the player at fault but I think he could be doing a bit more on offense in critical games such as making those over the top catches he has done so well in the past.

I look at a player like Robert Meacham who has been unstoppable lately,yet he does not measure up to the talents of Randy but his efforts have gone over the top lately,Randy needs that same type of fire back.

 

[makoute]

is that you felger?

 

[RhodyPatriot]

See, this is where you use stats to YOUR advantage. You're one of those cherry pickers aren't you? The Patriots as a whole scored 0, 0, 10, 7 and 7 points in 2nd half of their losses. Blaming 1 guy out of 11 on the field at the time seems disingenuous, and you just seem like you have an axe to grind against the guy. Seriously, what is your agenda?

Nobody is blaming one guy for this teams struggles.
What we are doing is critiquing the play of a single player right now and that player is Randy Moss.
Why so sensitive? Is Moss your binky like he is for Brady??
How am I cherry picking stats when I point out this teams significant offensive struggles in the 2nd half of their losses??
It's a real and genuine problem that's costing them wins.
Could care less that Moss lights it up in blowouts against the woeful Bucs or Titans.
Do care that he's a non-factor when it's on the line against good teams.

 

[brady et al fan]

Absolutely. He may reach a point where he gets to be a bit slower and not as quick, but the man is a force. Just need to pick the spots and set up the playcalling a little better so that the element of the unexpected is an advantage.

oh its reached that point already. He's not the burner he was early in his career. He's good, but no longer great, IMO. I've maintained that for most of the year. No way a great receiver should ever be shut down by single coverage (Revis twice this year).

Having said that, I think his second half numbers in our losses can be attributed to lousy pass protection as much as anything else though. Lack of a significant other deep threat also does not help.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Cleaned it up for the weak at heart. The guy is so talented but plays like a total prima donna, barely blocks, gives up if the play is not on his side of the field, etc.

Against the Saints, it was over after Sharper hit him in the first quarter. He was a non factor after that.

As a veteran leader and someone who 'just wants to win' he needs to show up more.

Tell Brady to hit him when he's open. It was all over when Brady stopped looking for anyone other than Welker against NO. Moss was wide open down field, and Brady looked him off.

I don't understand where all of this hate for Moss is coming from. Is is the sad faces on the bench and the beard? Everyone was thinking that it's Moss who Welker and Brady were calling out in the press conference. It's not his fault that he's double and triple covered and Brady throws the ball in his area.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Tell Brady to hit him when he's open. It was all over when Brady stopped looking for anyone other than Welker against NO. Moss was wide open down field, and Brady looked him off.

I don't understand where all of this hate for Moss is coming from. Is is the sad faces on the bench and the beard? Everyone was thinking that it's Moss who Welker and Brady were calling out in the press conference. It's not his fault that he's double and triple covered and Brady throws the ball in his area.

Its also a failure on Belichick's part to not get a strong 3rd WR in this years draft or FA

Aiken is O.K. but not exactly awe inspiring

IMO The Joey Galloway pickup was a joke the minute he was signed,BB needs to stop signing these 35+ old rejected players from other teams anymore,its getting foolish,we need talent and youth and Kenny Britt was my hope for our next WR from the last draft and he looks pretty good as a Titan.

 

[TrueBeliever]

Someone told me they heard on BSPN Radio there is some sort of tiff between Brady and Moss...? Apparently Tom felt Randy could have done more to prevent one of the picks yesterday. Anyone else heard about this, or is it just more hot air from The Worldwide Leader in Sportz?

 

[emoney_33]

Moss is not the only reason why this team is having problems but he certainly has been a non factor in the games against the better teams.

I still think Moss has seen better days - Our main weapon these days is Welker but then again how good would Welker be without Moss out there?..no one knows because Welker has NEVER played a game in NE without being opposite Randy.

Not having a direct easily quantifiable contribution is NOT the same as being a "non factor". Even when Randy catches 0 passes, the rest of the team is playing 10 on 9. That is a big factor whether the other 10 players and coaches can exploit the 10 on 9 advantage is another thing.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

If you check the teams he has played you will see most of those receiving yards came against scrub teams with scrub secondaries.

Once again I am not saying Randy is the player at fault but I think he could be doing a bit more on offense in critical games such as making those over the top catches he has done so well in the past.

I look at a player like Robert Meacham who has been unstoppable lately,yet he does not measure up to the talents of Randy but his efforts have gone over the top lately,Randy needs that same type of fire back.

The only duds I can think of are Denver, NY, and NO. I'm gonna give him a pass on NO and NYJ where we were flat out beat. Unless he was supposed to try harder to break up Brady's INT to McKenzie or Sharper.

He blew up against the Tenn, Miami, Indy, Miami again, and was missed wide open numerous times against ATL, BUFF, and BAL. I don't remember what happened in the Tampa beating.

I'm not sure that we should discount blowouts because without certain contributions, blowouts are not blowouts.

 

[farn]

There are problems on this team. RFM is not one of them.

I'll take his TD if you don't want it. And when he's on - it's 10 vs 9 for us. I like those odds (though for some reason, we don'T seem to like capitalizing on it... grr).

 

[MrNathanDrake]

Sorry, you dont become one of the best Wide outs of all time by being a "dog-faker"

 

[RobertWeathers]

Someone told me they heard on BSPN Radio there is some sort of tiff between Brady and Moss...? Apparently Tom felt Randy could have done more to prevent one of the picks yesterday. Anyone else heard about this, or is it just more hot air from The Worldwide Leader in Sportz?

It may be BS, but with how inept offensively they were in the 2nd 1/2, I wouldn't be suprised if the frustration and heat of the moment go to the both of them and that they had some words, but nothing beyond that-I hope.

Anyone that has played sports knows that after a tough loss, you say dumb things....It happens.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

There are problems on this team. RFM is not one of them.

So when Brady brings the team to the line, the ball is hiked to him and he immediately notices the Dolphins D has one on one on Moss but Brady can't break off the play being called and exploit that one on one coverage with Moss because 10 year vet Moss is haphazardly jogging down the sidelines due to his failure to read the coverage and burn it down the field ..............
Yup, Randy Moss is not a problem on this offense.

 

[condon84]

Absolutely. He may reach a point where he gets to be a bit slower and not as quick, but the man is a force. Just need to pick the spots and set up the playcalling a little better so that the element of the unexpected is an advantage.

Yup.

Especially now that teams may commit two guys on Moss AND Welker, the OC should be able to design plays that take advantage of this. I don't want to hear about the other guys not being able to get separation. Charlie Weiss was able to do it with Branch and Givens as starting WRs, and Graham as our TE. Branch may be a decent WR and showed good quickness, but Givens didn't have the quickness or long speed yet Charlie was able to design plays to get him open, and even get Graham involved, whose forte is blocking and who is inferior to Watson as far as a receiver. Now that we have the most dominant WR and the best slot receiver and both getting double teamed, we can't take advantage of that with other receivers or RBs? BS. Our OC is either ******ed or is sleeping behind the wheel.

Can't fault Randy for our offensive woes.

 

[farn]

So when Brady brings the team to the line, the ball is hiked to him and he immediately notices the Dolphins D has one on one on Moss but Brady can't break off the play being called and exploit that one on one coverage with Moss because 10 year vet Moss is haphazardly jogging down the sidelines due to his failure to read the coverage and burn it down the field ..............
Yup, Randy Moss is not a problem on this offense.

Not a problem - the problem will arise when he's no longer here. Then we'll see how much difference me makes.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Though I completely disagree with the OP about Moss being a faker, not just any faker but a Dog Faker That's extreme and though I honestly don't know what to think about Randy, I don't have any "extreme"opinion about his play this year and last. Last year(?) it was a case of alligator arms iirc.

I think people either think something's up with Randy or there isn't. One thing's for sure; the '07 Moss/ Brady magic just isn't happening anymore.

Sometimes he plays as though he's afraid to get hurt but sometimes he'll make a HUGE play; he's hard to figure out.

When he first came here people weren't afraid to call him out, not the fans and not the team. He was treated like any other player in the locker room, he had to earn his stripes just like everyone else did, and the fans kept tabs on him as well.

Now he can do no wrong. Maybe he's hurt or maybe there's an old injury he's guarding we don't know but if he's somehow limited then the OC/Brady/BB/ et al better figure out a plan B and stop throwing to him unless he's wide open. Those automatic first downs and TD's are gone and Randy struggles in double coverage much more than he used to for whatever reason.

I think 18 wins followed by a SB against a nasty defense took a toll on all of them, it had to have and last year wasn't easy either especially given the short offseason. Not enough time to rest really then to have Brady go down on top of that required a lot of adjustments from the offense, including Randy.

That said I have no issue with fans calling him out; Randy hasn't been here long enough for me to enshrine him quite yet. Tedy, Rodney, Troy, TFB and so many players like them are enshrined not just because of the SB wins but because of their consistent commitment to giving 110% no matter what.

I'm not sure Randy does that each and everytime and if he's playing injured then he can probably get in line. If he's capable of putting it out there then he'd better start doing that before it's too little too late.

 

[12to81]

Cleaned it up for the weak at heart. The guy is so talented but plays like a total prima donna, barely blocks, gives up if the play is not on his side of the field, etc.

Against the Saints, it was over after Sharper hit him in the first quarter. He was a non factor after that.

As a veteran leader and someone who 'just wants to win' he needs to show up more.

Don't question whether or not he shows up or wants to win.
It's been said that he is very competitive and wants nothing more than to get a superbowl.
To say that he doesn't show up is just idiotic, now those stats don't lie.
Teams roll covered Moss and Welker and for the most part have shut them down, we need to start throwing it to the 3rd receiver so teams are forced to leave Moss open or Welker open, thus making our offense click again.

 

[patriots pam]

Not a problem - the problem will arise when he's no longer here. Then we'll see how much difference me makes.

Yeah, opposing Ds not having to at least account for Moss and then being able to really pile it on Wes. Can you imagine the jubilation throughout the league? I know he's a tough little SOB, but the man can only take so much abuse before he snaps in two. Makes me cry just thinking about it!

 

[SeymourTrophies]

So when Brady brings the team to the line, the ball is hiked to him and he immediately notices the Dolphins D has one on one on Moss but Brady can't break off the play being called and exploit that one on one coverage with Moss because 10 year vet Moss is haphazardly jogging down the sidelines due to his failure to read the coverage and burn it down the field ..............
Yup, Randy Moss is not a problem on this offense.

The issue on that play was that Randy knew Tom wasn't going to throw to him because he wasn't double or triple teamed.