AFC East QBs: Who will be the best of Sanchez, Henne, Edwards?

[TheComeback]

Personally, I think it robs him of being able to get into a rhythm in many cases which will hinder his comfort level and confidence. It also robs him of situational experience. Being a successful NFL QB is being able to get into a rhythm and commanding long successful drives also knowing what to do in every situation. Taking him off the field in key situations will rob him of that experience.

Definitely disagree. An NFL quarterback needs to be ready to make plays whether he's in a "rhythm" or not. You want a guy with a short memory who can come in and make plays even when the game isn't going the way he wants it to.

Originally Posted by IcyPatriot View Post
Parcells is no idiot ... if Henne was that good the team would not have drafted Pat White and would not be spending so much time in the wildcat.

No, Parcells isn't an idiot. That would probably explain why he drafted Henne, and also why Henne is the starting QB, not Pat White.

 

[upstater1]

No, Parcells isn't an idiot. That would probably explain why he drafted Henne, and also why Henne is the starting QB, not Pat White.

I thought they should have taken Matt Ryan and not Jake Long.

Henne was never the best decision maker in college. He came out as the best QB in the land and through 4 years, Wolverines fans complained about him.

 

[FinNasty23]

I thought they should have taken Matt Ryan and not Jake Long.

Henne was never the best decision maker in college. He came out as the best QB in the land and through 4 years, Wolverines fans complained about him.

With hindsight being 20/20... ya, we prob should have taken Ryan.

However, walking away with an All-Pro LT is one hell of a consolation prize, lol...

I'll take Long all day. Hell of a lot better than ending up with a guy like Gholston, lol!

 

[Rob0729]

Definitely disagree. An NFL quarterback needs to be ready to make plays whether he's in a "rhythm" or not. You want a guy with a short memory who can come in and make plays even when the game isn't going the way he wants it to.

Sorry, the NFL is a game of momentums. You build momement and you capitalize on it. Henne isn't going to get used to it if he is taken out for two to three plays every drive. Overcoming bad plays and/or bad drives is an important part of being a successful QB, but it isn't the only part and it isn't the most important part.

JaMarcus Russell has a short memory. You ask him after every game even when he turns the ball over three times and gets pulled and he talks about how he had a good game. Playing crappy doesn't seem to affect Russell. Unfortunately, a short memory alone has done nothing to make him anything more than a crappy QB and first round bust. Ryan Leaf had a short memory too.

 

[BradyFTW!]

With hindsight being 20/20... ya, we prob should have taken Ryan.

However, walking away with an All-Pro LT is one hell of a consolation prize, lol...

I'll take Long all day. Hell of a lot better than ending up with a guy like Gholston, lol!

Yeah, if you're going to miss a chance to take a franchise QB, you might as well take a franchise LT- it's the next best thing. I was a little surprised at how ineffective Long seemed on Sunday, but to be fair I doubt he was expecting to go against Wilfork all day, so he probably wasn't very well prepared.

What it really comes down to, though, is that next time that scenario presents itself- Franchise LT available, no clear #1 pick, a QB who may or may not be legit (even by 1st round QB standards) I'll never have a problem with taking the LT. It's a justifiable pick, low risk/reward in comparison to the QB.

 

[FinNasty23]

Yeah, if you're going to miss a chance to take a franchise QB, you might as well take a franchise LT- it's the next best thing. I was a little surprised at how ineffective Long seemed on Sunday, but to be fair I doubt he was expecting to go against Wilfork all day, so he probably wasn't very well prepared.

What it really comes down to, though, is that next time that scenario presents itself- Franchise LT available, no clear #1 pick, a QB who may or may not be legit (even by 1st round QB standards) I'll never have a problem with taking the LT. It's a justifiable pick, low risk/reward in comparison to the QB.

Exactly. If the $$$ wasnt so crazy being paid to rookies, you could justify rolling the dice a little bit on a QB. But with the $$$ currently being paid w/o a rookie cap, its hard to justify making a rookie one of the highest paid QBs if they dont seem like an absolute lock to be a stud QB.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I was an Edwards fan as a rookie, untill I saw him play enough games to realize that he'd already reached his peak and was on his way out as an NFL starter. Stick a fork in him.

Sanchez is very early in his career. Seems fairly well centered even though young. His bigest problem is the intense pressure and scrutiny in NYC. Depending on what he's made of, this could really affect his development negatively or delay it untill he's with his 2nd team. Too early to tell.

Henne rolls out well but seems to lack instinctual pocket presence. Henne's development IS being ******ed by the use of the Wildmeowser. No young QB will get a rational chance to develop at a fast rate given the coitus interruptus of Ronnie Brown & Co. Decision making is key and it's not really possible to evaluate him based on what we've seen.

 

[Garbanza]

Sanchez - (as soon as he learns to play in the cold ) He has a better team talent than both Henne and Edwards. He's pretty accurate. Has good command out there - especially considering the lack of experience he has.

 

[Synovia]

I was a little surprised at how ineffective Long seemed on Sunday, but to be fair I doubt he was expecting to go against Wilfork all day, so he probably wasn't very well prepared. .

You're surprised a good LT had trouble with the best NT in the game? Half the time Wilfork is making a good Center and good Guard look foolish. Wilfork really is that good.

The surprising thing (and kind of neat) is that the middle of the dolphins line really couldn't do much against the back up NTs (wright and pryor and whoever else rotated in there).

 

[FinNasty23]

I was an Edwards fan as a rookie, untill I saw him play enough games to realize that he'd already reached his peak and was on his way out as an NFL starter. Stick a fork in him.

Sanchez is very early in his career. Seems fairly well centered even though young. His bigest problem is the intense pressure and scrutiny in NYC. Depending on what he's made of, this could really affect his development negatively or delay it untill he's with his 2nd team. Too early to tell.

Henne rolls out well but seems to lack instinctual pocket presence. Henne's development IS being ******ed by the use of the Wildmeowser. No young QB will get a rational chance to develop at a fast rate given the coitus interruptus of Ronnie Brown & Co. Decision making is key and it's not really possible to evaluate him based on what we've seen.

I really dont understand this thinking. Say we stop running the Wildcat. On plays where we would have normally run the Wildcat, all Henne would be doing on those plays is handing the ball off. What decision making is he having to do in those situations? What is he missing? I dont see what he is missing on the field on plays that he would just be handing off?

Instead, during those plays that he would just be handing off anyway, he is now meeting with the coaches on the sideline reviewing what he is seeing out there, and what the defense is throwing at him...

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Can you name a team with a worse WR corps than Miami? It'd be tough. We have one of, if not the worst, WR corps in the league...

If only Miami had a guy who could consistently get open and catch the ball, and pick up YAC. . . .

 

[FinNasty23]

If only Miami had a guy who could consistently get open and catch the ball, and pick up YAC. . . .

Crazy concept, right? lol

 

[Kontradiction]

If your argument made the best sense, the Dolphins should have drafted a receiver in round 2, instead of drafting another QB, don't you think?

I don't think there is any way on God's green Earth that White would ever start for the Dolphins, even if Henne did suck it up at some point. As has been mentioned, White was drafted for one reason and one reason only: the Wildcat package. If you've watched Pat White in college, you would know that Parcells would never let him start as a quarterback for his team.

 

[Rob0729]

If only Miami had a guy who could consistently get open and catch the ball, and pick up YAC. . . .

LOL! You know that if they had a guy like that, there is no way they would ever let him get away. Not even if they could get say a 2nd and a 7th in return.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think there is any way on God's green Earth that White would ever start for the Dolphins, even if Henne did suck it up at some point. As has been mentioned, White was drafted for one reason and one reason only: the Wildcat package. If you've watched Pat White in college, you would know that Parcells would never let him start as a quarterback for his team.

I'm not sure how you feel this impacts my point, so I don't want to go in the wrong direction with my answer. Could you please clarify?

 

[Kontradiction]

I'm not sure how you feel this impacts my point, so I don't want to go in the wrong direction with my answer. Could you please clarify?

I assumed that you were saying they drafted White because they weren't too comfortable with Henne...

 

[TruthSeeker]

Sorry, the NFL is a game of momentums. You build momement and you capitalize on it.

I've never been much of a believer in momentum.

Statistics that I read years ago (but have no link to for this post) show that teams with the momentum tend to do about the same as teams that have lost the momentum.

So much for the NFL being a game of "momentums".

 

[TruthSeeker]

I really dont understand this thinking. Say we stop running the Wildcat. On plays where we would have normally run the Wildcat, all Henne would be doing on those plays is handing the ball off. What decision making is he having to do in those situations? What is he missing? I dont see what he is missing on the field on plays that he would just be handing off?

Instead, during those plays that he would just be handing off anyway, he is now meeting with the coaches on the sideline reviewing what he is seeing out there, and what the defense is throwing at him...

I agree. Whether it's a QB in football or a pitcher in baseball, the goal is to perform when you're out there. (It really bugs me that some pitchers feel that they have to pitch the 9th instead of the 7th or 8th innings. Just go out there, throw strikes and get people out!) Who cares what's happening when you're not out there?

That being said, there is a downside to constantly changing the "QB" who is the perceived leader of the offside, but I think that it's minimal for specialty plays like the wildcat formation.

 

[Deus Irae]

I assumed that you were saying they drafted White because they weren't too comfortable with Henne...

Ahhh..... got it. That wasn't where I was going. The poster I was responding to was saying that the Dolphins "run the Wildcat because they have no playmakers at receiver." My point was that you don't upgrade your receivers by drafting a wildcat QB in the second round.

 

[FinNasty23]

Ahhh..... got it. That wasn't where I was going. The poster I was responding to was saying that the Dolphins "run the Wildcat because they have no playmakers at receiver." My point was that you don't upgrade your receivers by drafting a wildcat QB in the second round.

There really werent any WRs worth taking with the Pat White pick. Only 1 WR was taken in the 2nd round after Pat White.

The Fins did try to upgrade their receivers by spending a 3rd and a 4th round pick on WRs this year...