Official Patriots/Falcons Post Game Thread

[BradyFTW!]

Seymour is versatile enought to play NT.. But he's listed as a DE.. SO for the agrument he's (ngata) a DE.. not a NT.. So my logic is based of fact.. Read my above post with the link from the team website.. He's not their NT.. if you watch a game you will notice it..

Actually, I do think that Seymour would have been one of the better 3-4 NTs out there, but what's the point? At NT, he couldn't leverage his greatest strengths, and it's better to have the best 3-4 DE in the game than a good NT. That said, it's a moot point since Seymour simply didn't play NT; it's all speculation. Ngata, OTOH, has played most of his career naps at NT.

 

[2000army]

Fred Taylor looked great today and is going to make some defensive coaches change there defend pass only game plan.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

read cold hard football facts.. Pats were ranked 17th against the run up the middle.. Against the right (seymour) it was #3...

Wilfork is good.. But Hampton, Williams and Jenkins are as good or better..

those statistics aren't based solely on the NT they are also based on run support provided as well as the scheme and how good the LB Corp.(Especially in Casey hampton's case)

 

[mcsully]

Actually, I do think that Seymour would have been one of the better 3-4 NTs out there, but what's the point? At NT, he couldn't leverage his greatest strengths, and it's better to have the best 3-4 DE in the game than a good NT. That said, it's a moot point since Seymour simply didn't play NT; it's all speculation. Ngata, OTOH, has played most of his career naps at NT.

Its not worth even debating if you all think Ngata is a NT..









I need to remember...

Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you....

 

[Wolfpack]

What was the game situation?

Look it up if you don't know it.

We were basically converting our 3rd and 4th downs with a high rate of success up to that point. Why shouldn't we continue?

Because the defense was playing very well and if you fail on the conversion, you pretty much give Atlanta a touchdown - or a free FG at the very least.

Or are you suggesting we play with our tails between our legs?

Punting from your own 25 is not playing with your tail between your legs. There's a reason you'll never see any coach do it: Because it is a bad idea.

 

[mcsully]

Fred Taylor looked great today and is going to make some defensive coaches change there defend pass only game plan.

I agree.. He looked great out there

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I have no idea what the man was thinking on that one.

I was surprised but BB must have thought they could get a yard easy today the way the Oline was playing against the Dline, and he was right

 

[Patspsycho]

Look it up if you don't know it.
Because the defense was playing very well and if you fail on the conversion, you pretty much give Atlanta a touchdown - or a free FG at the very least.
Punting from your own 25 is not playing with your tail between your legs. There's a reason you'll never see any coach do it: Because it is a bad idea.

1. How was the Atlanta D playing very well when we were dominating time of possession by a 2 to 1 margin?

2. Punting from your 25 is not a stupid idea, but neither is taking a bold gamble every now and then, and one that is a vote of confidence in your offense (and defense as well).

 

[jays52]

Its not worth even debating if you all think Ngata is a NT..









I need to remember...

Don't argue with idiots. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you....

Just to confirm, you are not only declaring Ngata a defensive end, but then calling one of the site's most intelligent members an idiot? Impressive display of huevos mas grandes.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Fair enough. I don't think the Jets are a very good rushing team, since I'm of the opinion that Thomas Jones sucks. But that's just me...

I agree- if I was a Jets fan, that's on thing that I'd be worried about. Late in the Houston game, Jones rang off a long TD, but even Houston shut Jones down for most of the day, and they're awful against the run. NE and Tenn both shut them down. I pretty much see the Jets' running game the same as I see the Pats' run defense- it's still too early to tell. They've made things happen against teams that the jury is still out on, and done poorly against good teams, so where does that leave them?

For the Pats, though, I'm feeling good about Baltimore next week. If our run defense is in order, then I'm confident that we can shut down their offense (which is actually a challenge this year, since they have a very good QB for the first time...ever?). A hot topic coming out of this week will have to be that Baltimore is pretty much the class of the AFC right now, so if we can beat them that will definitely be a hell of a statement game.

BTW, one point that I left out of my original post- I liked the tackling by the Pats today. There really weren't any YAC to be had, especially in the secondary. IMO that's one of the things that's really been missing the last few years, and if the Pats consistently tackle tihs week, 3rd down conversions will be a lot harder to come by against them.

 

[Wolfpack]

1. How was the Atlanta D playing very well when we were dominating time of possession by a 2 to 1 margin?

I meant the Patriots defense was playing very well, which I'm sure you'll agree with since you point out the time of possession. I don't think Atlanta had it in them to put together a 2nd sustained 2nd half drive. Of course, if the conversion failed, they wouldn't have had to.

2. Punting from your 25 is not a stupid idea, but neither is taking a bold gamble every now and then, and one that is a vote of confidence in your offense (and defense as well).

How does that show faith in the defense? If the score is 36-30 and nobody can stop anybody, then I agree with the call. But with the Patriots defense stopping Atlanta from going on any long drives, I don't.

You like to talk about showing faith in the offense, but by going for it on 4th-and-1 he's saying he has no faith in the defense to stop the Falcons following a punt.

 

[farn]

I was really surprised at the 4th down in our own territory play as well... worked, but PHIEW... good thing it did !

 

[Patspsycho]

You like to talk about showing faith in the offense, but by going for it on 4th-and-1 he's saying he has no faith in the defense to stop the Falcons following a punt.

Correction: he's telling the D he has faith in them to hold the Falcons to a FG if we don't convert on the 4th.

And I am sure you will agree that it was a ballsy move that kept Atlanta off-balance.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I was really surprised at the 4th down in our own territory play as well... worked, but PHIEW... good thing it did !

Considering how thoroughly the Pats owned the LOS on that play, I became okay with the call in hindsight . At the time, though, I definitely wasn't too happy.

 

[farn]

Considering how thoroughly the Pats owned the LOS on that play, I became okay with the call in hindsight . At the time, though, I definitely wasn't too happy.

I was neither happy, nor unhappy... just stunned. I've seen on our 40 - their 40... but WOW. Winning solves all problems I guess.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

Fred Taylor is the 2009 Corey Dillon imoh he just has to get chances which is a problem Corey never faced. Even though maroney ran well before he was injured today you can see the difference between the two easily. Fred Taylor looms really good and I expect him to carry the ball alot against Baltimore atleast 25-30 carries.

 

[Wolfpack]

Correction: he's telling the D he has faith in them to hold the Falcons to a FG if we don't convert on the 4th.

I have to call bullcrap on this one. Nobody has ever said "They're going for it on 4th down - which shows great confidence in the defense!" You show confidence in the defense by giving the ball to the other team because you're not afraid of what the other team can do with it.

And I am sure you will agree that it was a ballsy move that kept Atlanta off-balance.

No, I don't think it was a ballsy move. I think it was a stupid move. There's a difference. Just because it worked doesn't mean it was smart, and if it hadn't worked I am sure you'd be pretty quiet instead of saying how smart it was.

EDIT: And I guarantee you we don't see him do it ever again (unless, of course, it's a situation where they are losing the game late).

 

[JackBauer]

I agree- if I was a Jets fan, that's on thing that I'd be worried about. Late in the Houston game, Jones rang off a long TD, but even Houston shut Jones down for most of the day, and they're awful against the run. NE and Tenn both shut them down. I pretty much see the Jets' running game the same as I see the Pats' run defense- it's still too early to tell. They've made things happen against teams that the jury is still out on, and done poorly against good teams, so where does that leave them?

For the Pats, though, I'm feeling good about Baltimore next week. If our run defense is in order, then I'm confident that we can shut down their offense (which is actually a challenge this year, since they have a very good QB for the first time...ever?). A hot topic coming out of this week will have to be that Baltimore is pretty much the class of the AFC right now, so if we can beat them that will definitely be a hell of a statement game.

BTW, one point that I left out of my original post- I liked the tackling by the Pats today. There really weren't any YAC to be had, especially in the secondary. IMO that's one of the things that's really been missing the last few years, and if the Pats consistently tackle tihs week, 3rd down conversions will be a lot harder to come by against them.

Indeed. Bodden packs quite a whallop for a CB. Sanders, while somewhat limited athletically, can be counted on to wrap guys up and prevent big gains. Meriweather is also usually a solid tackler (Cotchery 45 yarder notwithstanding).

With a LB corps of Mayo, Guyton, and AD, this defense should really begin to hit its stride.

 

[patsox23]

Re: Post-Game Notes on Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. Noted Individual Performa

is anyone else noticing that Dean Pees is on the sidelines going nuts whenever the Pats actually make a 3rd down stop? I saw this at least 3 different times in the game, he runs out like a madmen and starts high-fiving his players.

Wow, no, I haven't but that is disconcerting. Better to go with the dour Belichick model than the Pete Carroll, Wade Phillips, **** McPherson style of "hugs all around." I HATE to hear that.

 

[Wolfpack]

Re: Post-Game Notes on Offense, Defense, and Special Teams. Noted Individual Performa

Wow, no, I haven't but that is disconcerting. Better to go with the dour Belichick model than the Pete Carroll, Wade Phillips, **** McPherson style of "hugs all around." I HATE to hear that.

Agreed. That stuff is great in college - and 2 of the 3 guys you just listed are indeed pretty darn good college coaches - but it just doesn't work in the pros.