Patriots release Kevin O'Connell

[Box_O_Rocks]

who would you rather, Kolb, or Feely?

Of the two - Feeley.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Of the two - Feeley.

Honestly, ive never watched Kolb that much, but ive always liked Feely. But what do i know? I liked Pennington last year before he went to the Fins, and everybody told me i was nuts.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

you're right on about Gannon......didn't the pats want to make him a wr or h-back or some such nonsense?

safety...I think.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Honestly, ive never watched Kolb that much, but ive always liked Feely. But what do i know?

Kolb played his entire high school and college career for the same coach running some funky offense that puts up points against college players, but doesn't do anything to develop a Quarterback's NFL skillset.

I liked Pennington last year before he went to the Fins, and everybody told me i was nuts.

What makes you think the two items are mutually exclusive?

 

[SladeRider]

I've only really seen Kolb play in one regular season game and he was terrible in it. He threw a pick returned for a TD and he just didn't look like he was ready, but considering this was against Baltimore last season and his pick was against Ed Reed, he might be given alittle leeway. But still, I'm not sure about having a quarterback that has the longest interception returned for a TD on the roster.

I'd much rather have Feely because he has experience and BB knows what he's about.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Kolb played his entire high school and college career for the same coach running some funky offense that puts up points against college players, but doesn't do anything to develop a Quarterback's NFL skillset.

What makes you think the two items are mutually exclusive?

funny hah ha ha.

ok, what about this plan?
1. put Hoyer on the PS.
2. have walters as # 2
3. have Edelman as emergency #3
if something happens to one of them, then Hoyer could be signed to the 53, or BB could just pick someone up off the scrap heap. Like, Huard for instance.

Im not sure we really need to sign another vet at this time. Your thoughts Sir Box?

 

[Mike the Brit]

Honestly, ive never watched Kolb that much, but ive always liked Feely. But what do i know? I liked Pennington last year before he went to the Fins, and everybody told me i was nuts.

Ditto to both ... but what do we know? Feely was certainly not the answer in Miami, but he played his socks off against the Pats in 07.

(By the way, I'm convinced that cutting O'Connell was just about O'Connell -- and, perhaps, sending a 'my way or the highway' message to the team, if there was some aspect of O'Connell's work ethic that we don't know about. If the Patriots are interested in another QB, there's no need to cut O'Connell pre-emptively.)

 

[Diego]

My guess is they will just go with Brady and Walter with Hoyer on the PS.

 

[spacecrime]

funny hah ha ha.

ok, what about this plan?
1. put Hoyer on the PS.
2. have walters as # 2
3. have Edelman as emergency #3

Edelman #2 and Walter #3 emergency.

If Edelman is the emergency #3b he cannot return punts or KOs inthe first three quarters.

As the emergency QB, Walter can still come in early if necessary should Brady get hurt.

 

[Mack Herron]

Edelman #2 and Walter #3 emergency.

If Edelman is the emergency #3b he cannot return punts or KOs inthe first three quarters.

As the emergency QB, Walter can still come in early if necessary should Brady get hurt.

A good technical point, though Walter would still be the guy to come in in case Brady got hurt. I wonder how much they like Hoyer? Is Hoyer pretty much assured of getting through to the PS? Would his chances be affected by performance on Thursday? I will be curious to see who plays for how long against the Giants.

 

[spacecrime]

A good technical point, though Walter would still be the guy to come in in case Brady got hurt. I wonder how much they like Hoyer? Is Hoyer pretty much assured of getting through to the PS? Would his chances be affected by performance on Thursday? I will be curious to see who plays for how long against the Giants.

I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of Walter on Thursday. Doesn't the #2 usually play most of game 4? He certainly could use more reps in the Patriot offense.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of Walter on Thursday. Doesn't the #2 usually play most of game 4? He certainly could use more reps in the Patriot offense.

Actually he doesn't because of injury concerns. If the starter plays a series (Tommy wants to play but BB said on WEEI Walter and Hoyer would be) the #2 usually finishes out the quarter or possibly the half depending on how it's going. He's out there with backups which can expose him to injury... Then the #3 and #4 (we don't have) split up the second half - particularly if there is a competition still going on.

Bill will likely have to roll the dice somewhat given our present backup situation. Both guys need work although working with the backups may not give either much to build on. Too bad he wasted the third quarter of game #3 on KOC. But at this point it is what it is.

 

[captain stone]

I mentioned this scenario in another thread, but I thought it relevent for this one, too.

Instead of over-drafting KOC with #94 last year, perhaps the FO should've traded it to Dallas for TE Anthony Fasano & ILB Akin Ayodele, as Miami did with their #100. KOC might've still been avail. in the 5th round, which is where he deserved to be taken anyway.

Releasing a 2nd-year QB chosen with the 160th, or even 153rd, pick in the draft would prob. not sting as much as releasing one chosen with the 94th pick almost 2 full rounds earlier.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Edelman #2 and Walter #3 emergency.

If Edelman is the emergency #3b he cannot return punts or KOs inthe first three quarters.

As the emergency QB, Walter can still come in early if necessary should Brady get hurt.

More importantly, and not entirely unfacetiously, Edelman is listed as a WR, not a QB. As others have pointed out, if they want to use Edelman outside of the fourth quarter, they can't put him in the QB3 slot.

So, the options are basically:

QB1 Brady
QB2 Walter
QB3 Hoyer

or

QB1 Brady
QB2 Walter
WR/Oh s***! QB Edelman
PS Hoyer

 

[patchick]

So, the options are basically:

QB1 Brady
QB2 Walter
QB3 Hoyer

or

QB1 Brady
QB2 Walter
WR/Oh s***! QB Edelman
PS Hoyer

I think you've nailed it (barring additional signings, of course). Edelman is the kind of emergency option that Faulk has been in the past, not the 3rd QB. The key difference? This:

- if your first option holds and Brady misses a game, then Walter starts, backed up by Hoyer.

- if your second option holds and Brady misses a game, the Pats immediately sign a QB from off the street as the backup.

 

[italia44]

Kevin Kolb is the Eagles primary backup.

ooops.....of course you're correct,Kolb is the primary back-up to McNabb.
When Goodell tells the Iggles the date Vick is eligible to be activated,the trade discussions about Feeley will heat up.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

From Bill's segment with the Big Show yesterday. He spoke about the KOC decision and what went into it for several minutes beginning around minute 21:00. Basically he said while the kid worked hard and has some talent he didn't develop it sufficiently to show he'd be a fit for this system. I think they were never counting on him morphing into a Brady clone (as did Cassel) because he had a dissimilar skillset. But I'm sure they hoped he would develop sufficiently to be of some use as a backup while becoming an intriguing trading chip. Just didn't pan out and given what happened with Cassel and Gutierrez the focus has to return to just having a guy with some decent capacity to back up Brady.

He never entirely disses them and in this case he said as he did with Gutz last season that it would not necessarily surprize him to see KOC have more success with another NFL team. (Just don't hold your breath...). Shefter was opining last night that GB might be interested since they have absolutely nothing behind Rogers. I think he might be a decent fit for a team who tends to wing it. That's just not how we roll here. He was never gonna amount to anything worthwhile here as a result. And those of you who pine for certain name jags like Leftwich or Garcia or Culpepper need to wrap your heads around that reality. This is a thinking mans team on both sides of the ball - which is why he so valued Tedy.

(PS he indicated while he and Tedy talked after last season and through mini camp this season, as they always did, there were no plans to cut him and there would always have been spot for Tedy on this team, much as there was with Troy.)

(PPS He also indicated pretty firmly that he plans to focus on playing Walter and Hoyer Thursday.)

Bill Belichick, Patriots Head Coach on WEEI

 

[mgteich]

I think that the patriots have usually favored having a developmental 3rd QB on the squad to hold the clipboard and help with game day communication. This QB also helps as the scout QB in practice. This roster spot does not use an active game day spot. As we found rather recently, somethimes these QB's develop and can be traded when their time with the patriots is finished.

I had Hoyer on the Practice Squad when we had developmental QB O'Connell. Now, I favor Hoyer.

And just BTW, Edelman is no more a QB for the patriots than Faulk.

More importantly, and not entirely unfacetiously, Edelman is listed as a WR, not a QB. As others have pointed out, if they want to use Edelman outside of the fourth quarter, they can't put him in the QB3 slot.

So, the options are basically:

QB1 Brady
QB2 Walter
QB3 Hoyer

or

QB1 Brady
QB2 Walter
WR/Oh s***! QB Edelman
PS Hoyer

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And just BTW, Edelman is no more a QB for the patriots than Faulk.

I did say "Oh s***! QB". . . .

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I think that the patriots have usually favored having a developmental 3rd QB on the squad to hold the clipboard and help with game day communication. This QB also helps as the scout QB in practice. This roster spot does not use an active game day spot. As we found rather recently, somethimes these QB's develop and can be traded when their time with the patriots is finished.

I had Hoyer on the Practice Squad when we had developmental QB O'Connell. Now, I favor Hoyer.

And just BTW, Edelman is no more a QB for the patriots than Faulk.

That's likely the way it goes, but a PS QB can run the scout team. Depending on how he looks this week it will likely be a matter of whether they believe they can get him to the PS. If they can then that frees up a roster spot early on and they can always activate him if someone comes calling. Players can be signed off the PS to someone's 53. But it's their choice. This kid likey wants to hang around here for a year or two or three...knowing Walter is merely auditioning for another shot as a starter somewhere and he has a legit shot at being Brady's backup come 2010.