What is Bernard Pollard, an idiot?

[JoeSixPat]

C'mon guys... ease up... how is Pollard going to get better at his cheap shots if he doesn't practice?

 

[Gwedd]

Pollard's an idiot. A well paid idiot, but an idiot none the less.

You just KNOW that Pioli is having someone have a chat with him about the situation.

 

[spacecrime]

The nerve that jackass had, to actually do what he has been taught since he put on a uniform... Don't give up on the play! Play to the whistle! Get to the guy with the ball at all cost! Don't quit because you got knocked down! Get back up and make a play! The quotes go on and on.

I'm missing the quote that says to lunge at a guy's knees.

Calling someone a jackass for playing hard and doing the RIGHT thing that accidentally caused an injury in a violent sport is ridiculous.

It wasn't the right thing to do. The fact that that play was made illegal should tell you that it was wrong. You are confusing being legal with being okay to do.

It was a fluke play that was done without malice, no more no less.

It wasn't a fluke. Watch the play. He deliberately lunged. Not a fluke but a deliberate action.

You cannot determine malice by watching someone's actions. When you say it was done without malice, you have lost credibility because you are throwing in stuff you don't know just to bolster your point that it was a good hit.

It wasn't.

Brady is over it and so are the rest of us. Beign over it doesn't mean we suddenly believe it was okay to do.

Just as his lunging at Cassel during training camp wasn't right. I don't see how you can spin that to say it was the right thing to do.

 

[Yehoodi]

+1

When someone makes an accusation of dirty play, the burden is on them to show some evidence of it. Actually, the fact that Pollard also hit his own teammate in a similar way tells me that it's quite possibly an accident.

Remember when Rodney popped Troy Brown back in 2003? What if Brown had gotten a consussion, would we all have been cussing out Rodney-the-dirty-safety?

here are a few links to solve ur need for evidence. . .


YouTube - Dirty Hit or Cheap Shot on Tom Brady ?

YouTube - Wilfork hits Losman, Pats vs Bills

Officials Explain 'Brady Rule' Clarification -- NFL FanHouse

It has been a rule in the NFL [i believe since Carlson Palmer went down] that one can not hit a qb below the knees. Wilfork was fine for such an act, as can been seen in the second youtube link. the text link describes how this rule will be re-emphasized this year.

the first link show the key seconds of Pollard's hit. if you noticed he is taken down by a block, then frees himself, and instead of getting up, at least to his knees, so as to be able to hit TB above the knees, he clearly and intentionally lunges forward barely off the ground [as the previous poster indicated] and hit TB squarelyu in the knee on a planted leg. sorry gang that at a minimum is reckless, and dirty for those who look at it objectively.

the same holds true for what wilfork did, even though he was being block, he had not reason to extend his elbow, it was a reckless and irresponible act and was correctly fine.

look guys, poeple KNOW where there body is going, they have CONTROL over there bodies and are thus RESPONSIBLE for their actions.

i harken back to 2003 and the last game of the seasn. some of u may remember lawyer milloy and the anger with which he left town, on the last game of the season in NE, and the game out of hand [and the pats headed to the PO] Milloy came in on a blitz at TB and was falling down and diving towards TB lower leg. Milloy DID NOT wrap his arms around TB and but instead kept his arms extended (like a ref doing a FG good signal) and did make contact, TB's leg hyperextended a tad but thanks to the combination of Milloy not wrapping him up [thus locking his leg in position] and the slippery old grass [well dirt/mud], TB's leg slid backwards enough to cushion most of the blow, had his leg been locked and taken all of the blow, things would of been different, Milloy knew this and did not wrap up brady, and did this even though he may still of had a gudge against NE, THAT is the difference between what milloy did and Pollard and Wilfork . . .

 

[Raymond]

I hate watching it again, but that was one cheap shot.

YouTube - Dirty Hit or Cheap Shot on Tom Brady ?

 

[Yehoodi]

I hate watching it again, but that was one cheap shot.

YouTube - Dirty Hit or Cheap Shot on Tom Brady ?

hey man, we got the same link and posted only minutes apart !!!

 

[Raymond]

hey man, we got the same link and posted only minutes apart !!!

Yeah! But your explination was much better than mine.

 

[West Philly Patriot]

I'd rather watch superbowl 42 in its entirety than watch that clip again!

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I'd rather watch superbowl 42 in its entirety than watch that clip again!

Let's not, and say we didn't.

 

[Deus Irae]

Let's not, and say we didn't.

What would you do for a Klondike bar?

 

[Kontradiction]

I'd rather watch superbowl 42 in its entirety than watch that clip again!

You watched that "Let Brady's Body Hit the Floor" video of Super Bowl XLII didn't you?

EDIT: WARNING! THE FOLLOWING IS THAT CLIP. ONLY WATCH IF YOU CAN BEAR SEEING THAT GOD AWFUL GAME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuA4YvH2hj8&feature=fvw

If any of you have a YouTube account (don't feel like creating one right now), please call out "nysportsfan08" on his pure stupidity. Here is his comment...

the only thing the patriots are good at is signing washed up old *****. oh yeah were gona be so great wit junior seau rodney harrison fred taylor tedy bruschi and joey galloway. yeah thats some big ****** improvements. tom bradys an old **** too. my grandfather could of played a longer season then tom brady. go sign michael vick him sitting on his ass for two yrs will be betr than brady

 

[mgcolby]

I'm missing the quote that says to lunge at a guy's knees.

It wasn't the right thing to do. The fact that that play was made illegal should tell you that it was wrong. You are confusing being legal with being okay to do.

It wasn't a fluke. Watch the play. He deliberately lunged. Not a fluke but a deliberate action.

You cannot determine malice by watching someone's actions. When you say it was done without malice, you have lost credibility because you are throwing in stuff you don't know just to bolster your point that it was a good hit.

It wasn't.

Brady is over it and so are the rest of us. Beign over it doesn't mean we suddenly believe it was okay to do.

Just as his lunging at Cassel during training camp wasn't right. I don't see how you can spin that to say it was the right thing to do.

I won't answer all of these individually, but I would guess that you never played football. If you did you would understand that he did exactly what every player worth anything at any level of football would have done. End of story.

And lets not confuse "made illegal" by the NFL as an automatic wrong or dirty play by the player. Especially considering that the player is taught from day one not to quit on the play, I don't understand why this is a hard concept for people to understand? The NFL did that to "protect" investment AKA QB. If the NFL really considered going after the knees "dirty", then they would ban it in between the tackles on lineman at all times!

You can't tell Malice by someone's actions? Are you serious? Lets say that is true. My lack of knowledge about his intention discards my credibility, yet the same doesn't apply to your opinion simply because you think lunging at the knees is dirty? I get it. Getting up doesn't always consist of getting to your feet or knees. In many cases it means crawling, lunging and diving. Could you imagine a player coming back to the side line after the QB just threw a TD, and when the coach asks the DB "why the hell didn't you go after him?" the DB replies with "well coach I didn't want to hurt him!". That is unthinkable to me.

Crackbacks are suddenly illegal as well, WTF is that? If a player gets his jaw broken because of a crack back then he should take it up with the guy who was responsible for calling it out! That was a responsibility I learned as a Rover in the 7th grade and teach my DB's at the 11 year old level. Guys getting paid millions should be able identify a crackback and alert the end or LB with out much effort.

I agree with Rodney, the NFL is becoming a pansy league. And it is coming from the amount of money the players are being paid. The owners don't want to see a player that is making tens of millions of dollars sitting on IR. I understand their intention, but at the same time, the reason they can afford to pay them that much is becuase of the following the game has achieved. And whether "society" likes it or not that is mostly due to the choreographed violence that is displayed each and every Sunday. And some of that is lost with every "safety" rule change that is made.

For 86 years it was ok in the NFL, suddenly it's illegal. It is football, period!

 

[mgcolby]

There is a difference between getting up and trying to make a play and getting up to dive at someone's knees. Pollard did the later, not the former.

That is overly simplifying something done at rapid speed.

Also on a personal pet peeve note, it is sickening to see how the QB's are taking advantage of the safety rules. Brady faking out Urlacher, that doesn't happen if Urlacher doesn't think Brady is going to slide. Last year McNabb acted like he was going to run out of bounds and when the defender let up, he cut back inside to gain a first down. Kiwanuka letting Vince Young out of his grasp only to not get the whistle and ultimately allowing VY to score. And I'm sure there are tons more that I didn't see.

If Ronnie Lott played today people would think he was dirty, ala Rodney Harrison. Yet one is in the Hall of Fame and considered one of the greatest of all time and the other is trying to shake the dirty label.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

There is a difference between getting up and trying to make a play and getting up to dive at someone's knees. Pollard did the later, not the former.

Maybe the camp officiating tour hasn't landed in KC yet since the league apparently agrees and has made this distinction and made this a penalty this season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Maybe the camp officiating tour hasn't landed in KC yet since the league apparently agrees and has made this distinction and made this a penalty this season.

Well, to be fair, using an argument like this is exactly what the Colts fans did after 2004.

 

[Mayday Malone]

I've got two separate issues with this play, regarding Brady/ Pollard.

#1 Pollard was blocked, and Brady moved into his projected (assumed) path of protection set up allowing him to cannon to Moss. I think he had to take an extra step to his left because of a missed block/ delayed protection. He hesitated too long, whatever the difference. That's why Pollard was encouraged to get up and finish the play as had been written.

#2 Brady was in his wind-up, with Pollard coming off the ground. Pollard had one choice to make in stopping the play. Either stopping the forward progress of his forward step, or jump from a crawling position and block the forward pass/ cause a fumble.

And here comes the Pansy Rules

By the time Brady released the ball, he was a target. Brady himself said that he wouldn't have been hurt if he would have played preseason games.

Get the **** over it, he's back. I hear Kenny Stabler has 1/8th of his knees still healthy. Maybe he'll be a good back up.

I don't care either way. I'm more upset with the lack of consistansy the league employed when dealing with Walker's hit. You can't leave you're feet,and call it a football hit. Not when comparing it to ALL hits across the NFL, which the league promises to promote a guideline for all players. Inconsistancy, therein lays the problem.

 

[Deus Irae]

I've got two separate issues with this play, regarding Brady/ Pollard.

#1 Pollard was blocked, and Brady moved into his projected (assumed) path of protection set up allowing him to cannon to Moss. I think he had to take an extra step to his left because of a missed block/ delayed protection. He hesitated too long, whatever the difference. That's why Pollard was encouraged to get up and finish the play as had been written.

#2 Brady was in his wind-up, with Pollard coming off the ground. Pollard had one choice to make in stopping the play. Either stopping the forward progress of his forward step, or jump from a crawling position and block the forward pass/ cause a fumble.

And here comes the Pansy Rules

By the time Brady released the ball, he was a target. Brady himself said that he wouldn't have been hurt if he would have played preseason games.

Get the **** over it, he's back. I hear Kenny Stabler has 1/8th of his knees still healthy. Maybe he'll be a good back up.

I don't care either way. I'm more upset with the lack of consistansy the league employed when dealing with Walker's hit. You can't leave you're feet,and call it a football hit. Not when comparing it to ALL hits across the NFL, which the league promises to promote a guideline for all players. Inconsistancy, therein lays the problem.

People are misquoting/misinterpreting what Brady said. Unless he made a second comment regarding the situation, he did not say what you are claiming he did.

 

[Gwedd]

I don't care either way. I'm more upset with the lack of consistansy the league employed when dealing with Walker's hit. You can't leave you're feet,and call it a football hit. Not when comparing it to ALL hits across the NFL, which the league promises to promote a guideline for all players. Inconsistancy, therein lays the problem.

You know, those hits on Welker made me much more angry than Pollard's hit on Brady. It cost Brady a season. Those hits on Wes could've cost him his career or his ability to walk. Yes, it's a violent game. But there's violence, and there's VIOLENCE.

 

[PatsDparty]

here are a few links to solve ur need for evidence. . .


YouTube - Dirty Hit or Cheap Shot on Tom Brady ?

YouTube - Wilfork hits Losman, Pats vs Bills

Officials Explain 'Brady Rule' Clarification -- NFL FanHouse

It has been a rule in the NFL [i believe since Carlson Palmer went down] that one can not hit a qb below the knees. Wilfork was fine for such an act, as can been seen in the second youtube link. the text link describes how this rule will be re-emphasized this year.

the first link show the key seconds of Pollard's hit. if you noticed he is taken down by a block, then frees himself, and instead of getting up, at least to his knees, so as to be able to hit TB above the knees, he clearly and intentionally lunges forward barely off the ground [as the previous poster indicated] and hit TB squarelyu in the knee on a planted leg. sorry gang that at a minimum is reckless, and dirty for those who look at it objectively.

the same holds true for what wilfork did, even though he was being block, he had not reason to extend his elbow, it was a reckless and irresponible act and was correctly fine.

look guys, poeple KNOW where there body is going, they have CONTROL over there bodies and are thus RESPONSIBLE for their actions.

i harken back to 2003 and the last game of the seasn. some of u may remember lawyer milloy and the anger with which he left town, on the last game of the season in NE, and the game out of hand [and the pats headed to the PO] Milloy came in on a blitz at TB and was falling down and diving towards TB lower leg. Milloy DID NOT wrap his arms around TB and but instead kept his arms extended (like a ref doing a FG good signal) and did make contact, TB's leg hyperextended a tad but thanks to the combination of Milloy not wrapping him up [thus locking his leg in position] and the slippery old grass [well dirt/mud], TB's leg slid backwards enough to cushion most of the blow, had his leg been locked and taken all of the blow, things would of been different, Milloy knew this and did not wrap up brady, and did this even though he may still of had a gudge against NE, THAT is the difference between what milloy did and Pollard and Wilfork . . .

I've never understood how anyone can defend Vince on that play. Instead of falling on his hands, and catching himself, he extends his elbow into Losman's knee. I thought it was a pretty dirty play.

 

[Kontradiction]

I've never understood how anyone can defend Vince on that play. Instead of falling on his hands, and catching himself, he extends his elbow into Losman's knee. I thought it was a pretty dirty play.

So does everyone else in the league. Pats fans are the only people who can't seem to admit it.