19-0 in 2009 ?????

[PittPatriot]

It's sickening how spoiled you guys are.

By the way, your fatarsed coach has stains on his poorly fitting suit. He also needs to learn the proper way to button 3-button suit/sport coat. Jeez, I always thought NYC was the hub of fashion. I guess it is nothing more than the hub of spectator sport disappointment.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Personally, I would be very disappointed with an 8-8 season, even if they
won the SB.
I want a convincing season all the way!
No .."they were lucky to get in the playoffs and lucky to make to the superbowl ".... :blahblah:

no team is "lucky" to make the superbowl. and no team is "lucky" to win one. as belichick points out at this time of year every year, every team starts out at 0-0 and has to climb the same mountain. climbing to the top of that mountain through a 16 game schedule and then three or four playoff games is not a matter of luck.

the teams that end up in the final game and the team that wins that game may have the benefit of a call or bounce that goes their way (the tuck reversal, tyree's catch as recent examples), but way too much went into the team's being in a position to win it all to say that they were "lucky" to do so. in the tuck case, it was brady's play all season and, in that game, the subsequent drive and adam's kick, still the greatest kick under pressure ever. in the tyree catch case, it was the Giants play in the toughest division in the league all season and the play of their D all day in that SB. those things had nothing to do with luck.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I am rooting for 1-0. I'll worry about 2-0 when it comes to that.

At last! Now we know the nick that Bill Belichick uses out here. You just blew your cover, Coach!

 

[PatsFanSince74]

It's sickening how spoiled you guys are.

I actually agree with you. A lot of folks "discovered" the Pats during the 2001 season and have been "lifelong" fans ever since. They don't realize how truly remarkable the Pats' achievements this decade have been and how fortunate we are to be cheering for this team.

OK. Enough nice talk.

Even Gary Myers delivers a pretty hard knock to Rex Ryan in today's Daily News. If I were a Jets fan, I'd be getting a little nervous about his behavior. If it's "like father, like son," Rex will end up as a Coach who was a great DC, but who, as an HC, is more known for what he says/does off the field than for what his teams do on the field. It's looking like another chapter in the long, sad saga of the Post-Namath Jets. Can't say that I'm all too sad about that either.......

 

[JR4]

no team is "lucky" to make the superbowl. and no team is "lucky" to win one. as belichick points out at this time of year every year, every team starts out at 0-0 and has to climb the same mountain. climbing to the top of that mountain through a 16 game schedule and then three or four playoff games is not a matter of luck.

the teams that end up in the final game and the team that wins that game may have the benefit of a call or bounce that goes their way (the tuck reversal, tyree's catch as recent examples), but way too much went into the team's being in a position to win it all to say that they were "lucky" to do so. in the tuck case, it was brady's play all season and, in that game, the subsequent drive and adam's kick, still the greatest kick under pressure ever. in the tyree catch case, it was the Giants play in the toughest division in the league all season and the play of their D all day in that SB. those things had nothing to do with luck.

It is not all or nothing condition ( all luck or no luck)
If you think the helmet catch in PATs last Superbowl appearance was all
skill then I have nothing further to say to you.

Luck often plays a part in winning. Especially when teams are very closely matched.

Anyway, I want a dominating performance from a team I believe
could be one of the best in history. Less than that I will be disappointed.
Not saying I won't glad with SB win, just disappointed I didn't get the
dominating performance I expect this year.

 

[jmt57]

Just win it all. 8-8 wildcard and then win it all - fine with me.

That would certainly be ironic if that were to happen, after the end result of the 2007 season.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

It is not all or nothing condition ( all luck or no luck)
If you think the helmet catch in PATs last Superbowl appearance was all
skill then I have nothing further to say to you.

Luck often plays a part in winning. Especially when teams are very closely matched.

Anyway, I want a dominating performance from a team I believe
could be one of the best in history. Less than that I will be disappointed.
Not saying I won't glad with SB win, just disappointed I didn't get the
dominating performance I expect this year.

No, you didn't get my point at all. The Helmet Catch was 95% luck. He wouldn't make it again with Rodney on his back in a hundred, make that a thousand tries. But, the Giants winning the SB was not "luck." Their play all season and the play of their D all day that day (and Eli's ability to get that pass off at all in the direction of Tyree under pressure and, arguably, "in the grasp") put them in a position to win that game. That was my only point; fortunate calls and bounces influence the outcome, but they are not the cause of the outcome when it comes to winning Lombardi's. So, one can never say that a team was "lucky" to win the SB or get into one, which is what you said in your OP. That was my only point.

Pls see my post above (#38 in this thread) on the "greatest team" issue and confusing a claim to being the greatest "team" with a claim to having had the "greatest season" ever. I already think that the Belichick/Brady Pats are part of any serioius discussion of the Greatest Team ever. IMHO, a fourth ring for them in the post cap era would end the discussion.

 

[Tunescribe]

It's sickening how spoiled you guys are.

It's understandable how you'd see it that way as a Green Beans fan. But I'm cherishing every moment with BB and Brady and take NOTHING for granted.

Going 19-0 would be the ultimate, I'd love to see it happen. (Actually, I'm hoping for 23-0 .)

 

[Deus Irae]

It's sickening how spoiled you guys are.

The Jets are going to be the best defense in the NFL, but it's the Patriots fans that have the issues?

Run along little Rat.

 

[Bring Back Antowain!]

Maybe.

Do I want it? Hell yeah. Do I really want it? Probably not.

When all is said and done, as each person on this board regretfully knows, 16-0 means nothing if you don't win the Super Bowl.

All I know is that 19-0 weighs on the players, and I want the Patriots to win the Super Bowl, and the easiest path to do that is through obtaining the #1 seed. 15-1? 14-2?

But ultimately, it comes down to taking each game one at a time. Whatever happens, happens. But there's only one thing I want to see, and that's a Super Bowl title.

 

[fgssand]

It's understandable how you'd see it that way as a Green Beans fan. But I'm cherishing every moment with BB and Brady and take NOTHING for granted.

Going 19-0 would be the ultimate, I'd love to see it happen. (Actually, I'm hoping for 23-0 .)

My head hurts thinking about 23-0, 19-0 - let's just focus on winning another Superbowl!!

One more ring, this year, will certainly vault us to the being named named the greatest dynasty of all time.........

 

[NewYorkJets1993]

The Jets are going to be the best defense in the NFL, but it's the Patriots fans that have the issues?

Run along little Rat.

LOL. I never said best. I said one of the best and an elite defense. The Pittsburgh Steelers are owners of the best D and it's not even close. So I don't know where you got that from.

And many of these "lifelong fans" since 2001, as pointed out earlier do have issues. Yes I can say hat without a sweat. Thinking about another undefeated season? Come on, be a little realistic. That is being the ultimate homer, and as far as I'm concerned, very spoiled.

I would be happy to make the god damn playoffs. I am expecting a 9-7 year and about a 50-50 shot at making the playoffs.

By the way; run along little cheater.

 

[spacecrime]

And many of these "lifelong fans" since 2001, as pointed out earlier do have issues. Yes I can say hat without a sweat. Thinking about another undefeated season? Come on, be a little realistic. That is being the ultimate homer, and as far as I'm concerned, very spoiled.

I would be happy to make the god damn playoffs. I am expecting a 9-7 year and about a 50-50 shot at making the playoffs.

If I was a Jets fan, I'd be happy if they just made the playoffs, too. But if you were a Pats fan, you would be disappointed at anything less than a superbowl win. Not just make the superbowl, but win. And if you were a pats fan, or at least an unbiased football fan, you would accept that if there was an undefeated team next year, it would be the Patriots, and that the chances of the Pats going undefeated in 2009 are greated than the Jets chances of winning the superbowl.

Deep down you know that after 2 weeks of football, the Jets will be two games behind NE.

It makes you feel better to think that Pats fans discovered their team in 2001, but the Pats were selling out for a lot of years before that. Most of us here on Patsfans.com sat through some very bad teams in hte late 80's early 90's. We understand what you are going through. But we paid our dues and we are going to enjoy our current team to the max. You can cry all you want about your sucky team, but you don't have enough tears to rain on our parade.

38-0, baby.

 

[Deus Irae]

LOL. I never said best. I said one of the best and an elite defense. The Pittsburgh Steelers are owners of the best D and it's not even close. So I don't know where you got that from.

And many of these "lifelong fans" since 2001, as pointed out earlier do have issues. Yes I can say hat without a sweat. Thinking about another undefeated season? Come on, be a little realistic. That is being the ultimate homer, and as far as I'm concerned, very spoiled.

I would be happy to make the god damn playoffs. I am expecting a 9-7 year and about a 50-50 shot at making the playoffs.

By the way; run along little cheater.

The defense is oozing confidence. Maybe it's because it's facing the Jets' offense every day (ouch!), but there's a definite swagger. S Kerry Rhodes expressed the confidence the other day on his Twitter account, writing, "We will be the best defense in the league this year. I feel for the offenses we're gonna face."

The Jets Stream - NY Daily News

The Jets Stream - NY Daily News

Typical of a Jets fan, you didn't know what the hell was being talked about even as you bashed Patriots fans.

 

[NewYorkJets1993]

The Jets Stream - NY Daily News

Typical of a Jets fan, you didn't know what the hell was being talked about even as you bashed Patriots fans.

I know what Kerry said in his twitter, I find it good how confident he is. He SHOULD believe that we will have the best D.

That being said...

Is my name Kerry Rhodes? How damn ignorant are you?

I never said anywhere we will be the best.

 

[Deus Irae]

I know what Kerry said in his twitter, I find it good how confident he is. He SHOULD believe that we will have the best D.

That being said...

Is my name Kerry Rhodes? How damn ignorant are you?

I never said anywhere we will be the best.

Try re-reading my first post, Einstein. Taking that post and realizing what Rhodes said SHOULD make my point clear to you.

Good Lord, where is Gunnails about now? We could use some sanity and intelligence from a RATS fan.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

I honestly don't see a team on the schedule that makes me think, "that team could beat the Patriots". Only one team has been able to really disrupt this offense and that was the NY Giants. Other than that, every team on the schedule doesn't have the personnel to duplicate what the Giants did. In fact, teams are going to have to out score the Pats to beat them. Even if Tom Brady plays like half of what he did in 2007, it wouldn't surprise me to see them go 16-0 again. With the addition of Fred Taylor, it will only make Sammy Morris, Kevin Faulk and Laurence Maroney that much more effective. And not to forget, the Pats did a great job of upgrading their depth at TE. Last but not least, the Pats replaced Gaffney with Galloway which could be a huge upgrade because of Galloway's speed and route running.

On defense, I like their secondary. Their big (Springs and Bodden are at least 6 feet tall), physical (Bodden and Springs are afraid to jam someone), and has a nice mix of ball hawking corners (Wheatley, Whilite and Butler). However, the leadership of Harrison will be missed, but the Pats got more athletic at the safety position by drafting Chung (who most people compare him to Brian Dawkins). Also, Merriweather has improved greatly and should only get better. Lastly, Sanders provides good depth at either safety position.

The main question on people's mind's is who will start at OLB and MLB? How will the Pats generate a pass rush. For starters, an improved secondary will give whoever is rushing the passer that extra second to get to the QB. For instance, there where many times last year where the rushers where just a hair off of getting to the QB. That should change now. Although I have been a Pierre Woods hater, I'm willing to see what he can for a full season if given the starting job. If that doesn't work out, the atheltic Shawn Crable will be waiting. As far as the other MLB spot, I don't think Bruschi is a lock to start opposite of Mayo. In fact, for an undrafted rookie, Guyton played a lot last season and wouldn't surprise me to see him start opening day along side of Mayo. I will be rooting for Guyton to start because he can add his speed to a historically slow LB group.

 

[JR4]

No, you didn't get my point at all. The Helmet Catch was 95% luck. He wouldn't make it again with Rodney on his back in a hundred, make that a thousand tries. But, the Giants winning the SB was not "luck." Their play all season and the play of their D all day that day (and Eli's ability to get that pass off at all in the direction of Tyree under pressure and, arguably, "in the grasp") put them in a position to win that game. That was my only point; fortunate calls and bounces influence the outcome, but they are not the cause of the outcome when it comes to winning Lombardi's. So, one can never say that a team was "lucky" to win the SB or get into one, which is what you said in your OP. That was my only point.

Pls see my post above (#38 in this thread) on the "greatest team" issue and confusing a claim to being the greatest "team" with a claim to having had the "greatest season" ever. I already think that the Belichick/Brady Pats are part of any serioius discussion of the Greatest Team ever. IMHO, a fourth ring for them in the post cap era would end the discussion.

I disagree. it is possible a team wins the SB because luck contributed
significantly to the outcome.
Consider a team is just marginal. This meaning that several lucky breaks allow that team to make the playoff.
Take away one of those lucky breaks and they don't make the playoffs.
This is possible. Then you can legitimately say luck played a significant
role. Of course skill played a bigger role but without the luck ... no SB.

Of course the Giants SB win was because of luck. But that doesn't mean
they were not a great team and had a lot of skill. But a little luck
won them that SB.
PATs first SB win came with some luck but they won that SB because they
something more than luck

When a team is dominant there is less argument that luck played a
significant role in the role in the outcome. all of this of course is IMO.

Again, when teams are very closely matched often luck plays a bigger role.

 

[Sivy]

LOL. I never said best. I said one of the best and an elite defense. The Pittsburgh Steelers are owners of the best D and it's not even close. So I don't know where you got that from.

And many of these "lifelong fans" since 2001, as pointed out earlier do have issues. Yes I can say hat without a sweat. Thinking about another undefeated season? Come on, be a little realistic. That is being the ultimate homer, and as far as I'm concerned, very spoiled.

I would be happy to make the god damn playoffs. I am expecting a 9-7 year and about a 50-50 shot at making the playoffs.

By the way; run along little cheater.

you know whats funny about jets fans? They talk all kinds of stuff durring the offseason, EVERY SEASON, they are going to have the best qb, the best D, the best coach...all the time, but they suck...thats it they suck, every single year they SUCK. We dont call you things like Rats or Trolls, or whatever to hurt your feelings...its just cuz the jets SUCK. Dont even respond to this post, there is nothing you can say, even if the patriots do go 8-8, chances are it will be better than the jets. Last season over on jetnation and jetinsider all they kept saying whas how they "now have the best qb in the afc east" then guess what...the greatest qb ever Tom Brady goes down, and the patrios are STILL better than the jets. Thats stupid miami dolphin is right 100 precent of the way...you will never win a football game in june, and Rex is just proving to be another jet idiot head coach.

oh wait, this just in...your new qb compledted 6 passes in a row at mini camp or whatever...lets crown him the greatest...guess that killer D isnt as good as once thought.

shut up.


incase you didnt read all this I will sum it up


The jets suck

 

[JoeSixPat]

I want to see a 19-0 in 09 so bad because i can't find a reason to refuse it.:singing:

Do you want the same thing???

I think the problem is clear.


The Patriots have NEVER gone 19-0 with Tom Brady at QB.

Coincidence? I think not.

Get rid of the bum and let's get a QB in here that can take us to the promised land.