Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised [merged]

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

The Jets and Pats could never make a trade as long as Belichick remains in charge.

No, but you can have him for the low, low price of two first-round draft picks.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

Well I'm not surprised at all by this move. Now wait for the flood of people who said the most we'd get for Cassel would be a 3rd round pick to change their tunes.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

Why not try to sign him to a 1 year, $10 mill offer instead... Wouldn't a cheaper salary make him more tradeable, and easier to afford in case a deal can't get done?

But, there's no reason for him to take a one year deal when he can get a multi year deal elsewhere. He's in a strong position to negotiate for up front and guaranteed money and is well aware that he would risk a career ending or career limiting injury every time he stepped on the field while playing under that one year contract.

 

[PJM]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

The same way they reacted to Jared Allen getting franchised so he could be traded: Once he gets traded and gets a huge contract they'll say nothing. The Patriots actually have more reason to franchise than the Chiefs did with the Brady injury. This is a non-issue.

Good point. I hadn't paid enough attention to the Allen trade. I'll be interested to see what the price for Cassel is. Allen cost the Vikes most of a draft but pass rushers are arguably more valuable than QBs now.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

Its a smart move if the Pats can find a suitor desperate enough for a franchise QB, if Brady is back in time. If not, they are going to have to pay Cassel $14 million to either sit on the bench behind Brady or if TFB isn't ready, Cassel obviously would start.

I think in the end a team like Detroit or Minnesota or maybe even Chicago (Angelo isn't in favor of Kyle Orton it seems) will make a play for him offering the Pats a 3rd round draft pick, maybe a 2nd. The Pats would be willing to take less to make sure he didn't end up in a place like New York or Buffalo. As a Jet fan I'd welcome him, but what are you going to do. The Jets and Pats could never make a trade as long as Belichick remains in charge.

Thanks for a rational post. I agree with everything you say except for the "as long as Belichick remains in charge" assumption. I don't think any Pats management, especially the Krafts, would make a trade that would materially improve a Division rival. The lessons of Wes Welker and, certainly, Chad Pennington are too fresh in everyone's minds.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

Its a smart move if the Pats can find a suitor desperate enough for a franchise QB, if Brady is back in time. If not, they are going to have to pay Cassel $14 million to either sit on the bench behind Brady or if TFB isn't ready, Cassel obviously would start.

I think in the end a team like Detroit or Minnesota or maybe even Chicago (Angelo isn't in favor of Kyle Orton it seems) will make a play for him offering the Pats a 3rd round draft pick, maybe a 2nd. The Pats would be willing to take less to make sure he didn't end up in a place like New York or Buffalo. As a Jet fan I'd welcome him, but what are you going to do. The Jets and Pats could never make a trade as long as Belichick remains in charge.

You don't give up a 'franchise QB' for a 3rd round draft pick. Particularly if the health status of your own starting QB is questionable. They'd be laughed out the door with that kind of offer. Cassell will garner a minimum of a 1st round pick in return or he remains a Patriot.

Comparing Bledsoe circa trade time to Cassel circa trade time and it's not even close. Cassel, an up and coming QB with perceived UPSIDE is a lot more valuable than lead footed Drew.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

if the Pats can find a suitor desperate enough for a franchise QB

That's about the weirdest statement ever. Kind of like me saying I'd be interested if a model were desperate to date me.

Duh.

 

[jbb9s]

Re: Cassel to Be Franchised

As has been discussed ad nauseum . . . we only need the money until he's traded then we get the money freed up again. What we need to avoid is what happened to the Chargers when they let Drew Brees go for nothing (except a comp pick).

i am a little hungover this morning - can anyone remind me why the Pats didn't franchise Asante for a 2nd year and trade him instead of just letting him walk?

 

[Deus Irae]

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i am a little hungover this morning - can anyone remind me why the Pats didn't franchise Asante for a 2nd year and trade him instead of just letting him walk?

Samuel was staying out (hold out is not really the correct term, since he hadn't signed a contract), and the Patriots agreed that they would not franchise him again as part of the deal that got him to go back to the team.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

Well I'm not surprised at all by this move. Now wait for the flood of people who said the most we'd get for Cassel would be a 3rd round pick to change their tunes.

My guess is a 2nd round pick minimum this year and a conditional next year. I don't think anyone gives us a top 20 pick but a later round 1 would be possible as thre's a dropoff after the 1st 2 QB's are taken ... IMO.

 

[Va_Pats_Fan]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

My guess is a 2nd round pick minimum this year and a conditional next year. I don't think anyone gives us a top 20 pick but a later round 1 would be possible as thre's a dropoff after the 1st 2 QB's are taken ... IMO.

I don't get the argument that we should trade him for a 3rd either. If we just let him walk, we will most likely get a 3rd in compensation anyway.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

I don't get the argument that we should trade him for a 3rd either. If we just let him walk, we will most likely get a 3rd in compensation anyway.

Two reasons :

- We could control where he goes (i.e. not to New Jersey).
- If we're active in FA we would get no comp pick if he left as a UFA.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

Two reasons :

- We could control where he goes (i.e. not to New Jersey).
- If we're active in FA we would get no comp pick if he left as a UFA.

Also :

- The comp pick would be a 2010 and untradable. Less value than a 2009 #3 which could probably be traded on draft day for a tradeable 2010 #2 if we chose that route.

 

[slash83]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

If Cassel gets franchised which I do believe will happen, the Pats are almost certain to trade him. Paying almost 14 million to a player who will be a backup thats assuming Brady is ready to go which I also believe he will be, all this mumbo jumbo crap coming out that hes too behind in rehab and might miss the entire 09 season is just BS the pats are putting out so they can franchise Cassel and get something in return for him. IMO the Pats clearly think they can get more then a 3rd round or else they would just let him go without risking having to pay him all that money for sitting on the bench and just take the 3rd round pick in next years draft. In the end Cassel will be franchised then traded to a team for atleast a 2nd round pick.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

Well I'm not surprised at all by this move. Now wait for the flood of people who said the most we'd get for Cassel would be a 3rd round pick to change their tunes.

At the end of pre-season I remember thinking we probably couldn't get a 7th round pick for Matt. Now, I think he's worth a good 2nd on the market.

 

[PatriotsInGA]

Re: Cassel to Be Franchised

guess this means we're getting rid of brady.

 

[slash83]

Re: Cassel to Be Franchised

guess this means we're getting rid of brady.

Yup he sucks.

 

[juny]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

I still don't think the team can afford to tie up so much money on 2 QBs. According to Miguel's page, if Cassel is franchised for $14M, that leaves about 9M for 8 more players. It's doable but I think it will make the team have less depth, and you need a little bit of cushion to sign additional players to make for IR'ed players.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Cassel to Be Franchised

Samuel was staying out (hold out is not really the correct term, since he hadn't signed a contract), and the Patriots agreed that they would not franchise him again as part of the deal that got him to go back to the team.

It actually wasn't an absolute guarantee, but pretty darn close, given last year's roster--the Pats agreed Asante would not be franchised if they won 12(?) games last year.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: Mike Lombardi: Cassel to be franchised

I still don't think the team can afford to tie up so much money on 2 QBs. According to Miguel's page, if Cassel is franchised for $14M, that leaves about 9M for 8 more players. It's doable but I think it will make the team have less depth, and you need a little bit of cushion to sign additional players to make for IR'ed players.

Lombardi's actually referring to franchising him for trade purposes, not to keep him in the Pats fold.