Should the Pats trade Maroney?

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Maroney Trade

With the way our RB's get injured I wouldn't want to lose any of the top 3 right now. And Faulk makes a huge difference on 3rd downs so I wouldn't want to lose him either.

 

[IcyPatriot]

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If Belichick/Pioli play their cards right ... and let's face it we are tanking this year anyways ... we could easily end up with 10 1st round picks by trading away our better players.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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What people who lust after Barber fail to consider is how he was used for the first three years of his career...and what a fat lot of good that's done Dallas in the playoffs.

Maroney was drafted to bring a new dimension to this team, a divergent two back system. Thunder and lightning. Unfortunately health/age issues with the thunder portion of the equation, and the inability of this OL to multitask absent an unmanageable in game rotation, led to the lightning portion of the equation getting hurt while adjusting to account for everyone else's inadequacies. You don't hitch a thoroughbred to a plow as a long term solution to a problem, but sometimes you're forced to go with the only horse in the stable. If BB made a mistake it was in extending Dillon after 2004. It meant that our version of Marion Barber didn't have any thunder wearing down the opposition defenses, and the Dallas version probably wouldn't have run as well in the second half - which is when he was most often featured - had he faced similar circumstances... Not to mention he was on a team that had it's premier WR in place in 2006 and matched up with its franchise QB by mid 2006.

The mantra that football is the ultimate team game remains lost on many of you.

 

[TheRazor]

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I have an opinion that makes sense, humor me:



Fact:
Maroney is succesful at sharing the workload (college, rookie year)

Fact:
Maroney is prone to injury (look at his pro career thus far)


What is the variable that has changed? his status on the depth chart



Opinion:
All we have to do is place him further down the depth chart, slip him in as a situational change of pace back, and watch his game improve.

 

[SVN]

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i think maroney is a good back but our offensive system and week in week out gameplan changes are not going to give him as much opportunities. I think if maroney was in denver his style would make him a monster. Even shanahan during the draft said that he thought maroney was going to a great player in the league. Does our off line employ the zone blocking scheme ?

 

[VJCPatriot]

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I'm not the biggest Maroney fan. But right now he's got to have pretty low trade value, so it's just not worth it in my opinion. All you can do is load up with RBs for the inevitable Maroney injury, and hope he's good for the remaining 12-13 games in the year. Do you think ANYBODY would trade anyone of value for Maroney? Heck we couldn't even get Matt Forte for him. (Forte, a 2nd round pick, has been doing VERY WELL in Chicago btw).

 

[VJCPatriot]

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i think maroney is a good back but our offensive system and week in week out gameplan changes are not going to give him as much opportunities. I think if maroney was in denver his style would make him a monster. Even shanahan during the draft said that he thought maroney was going to a great player in the league. Does our off line employ the zone blocking scheme ?

Yes, yes it does. And who do you explain why 'lesser' talented rbs such as morris, faulk, and jordan all run better behind that same offensive line. Or perhaps they aren't lesser backs after all?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

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Yes, yes it does. And who do you explain why 'lesser' talented rbs such as morris, faulk, and jordan all run better behind that same offensive line. Or perhaps they aren't lesser backs after all?

I have explained why. I've even linked to AllWorldTE's analysis at Patriots Planet for those who like much more detail than I can provide. Sadly, your lying eyes and the hysterical fringe of posters and pundits have overwhelmed more reasoned analysis with Animal Farm mantras.

As a you are a long time and respected (within reason ) poster here, I again offer that Maroney makes defenses account for him when he's in the game and provide links to AWTE's write-up after the NYJ game:

Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

In closing: Jorden good Koolaid bad. :blahblah:

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

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Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

In closing: Jorden good Koolaid bad. :blahblah:

I saw from that analysis what a beast Jenkins is at NT for the Jets. Great FA pickup.

 

[KillEM]

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With Brady injured and an anemix passing game, you guys are finally going to see how weak Maroney really is.

 

[VJCPatriot]

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Well all I got from that is what I already saw with my own eyes, Bryan Thomas of the Jets had a great game. The general excuse given is that the blocking for Maroney wasn't there. Why was the blocking mysteriously there for the other RBs and not for Maroney then? That's what I don't get with the blocking excuse. Hmm in closing Jordan good? Gee, I already came to that conclusion by watching the games. This pickup is looking to be even more of a bargain as the season progresses.

Besides, I just said it doesn't make sense to trade Maroney because you wouldn't get anything of value for him. Would I rather have Marion Barber or Matt Forte? Sure, but it's not going to happen, so we should make do with what we have. And don't even start with me on the injuries, it's an annual event with Maroney now.

I have explained why. I've even linked to AllWorldTE's analysis at Patriots Planet for those who like much more detail than I can provide. Sadly, your lying eyes and the hysterical fringe of posters and pundits have overwhelmed more reasoned analysis with Animal Farm mantras.

As a you are a long time and respected (within reason ) poster here, I again offer that Maroney makes defenses account for him when he's in the game and provide links to AWTE's write-up after the NYJ game:

Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred
Patriots Planet - New England Patriots Forums - View Single Post - The Official is Laurence Maroney a Bust Thred

In closing: Jorden good Koolaid bad. :blahblah:

 

[PatriotNMP43]

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Well you know how it is, Box.

Brady got injured, and having seen a couple games since then, one of which we lost, we can conclusively declare Tom Brady to have been the only competent member of the squad, front office, or coaching staff over seven years.

Everything was Tom, and this is without a doubt now the worst team that ever played, and the Miami loss was the worst game ever played, and every decision made in the last 7 years was the wrong one, with the exception of the pure good fortune of getting Brady with a 6th in what, 99? 2000? I forget.

So naturally the thing to do is rebuild the team, having established that the front office and coaching staff are utter failures, now that Tom's injured and the rest of the team had a down game.

First step: get one of them teams still convinced that the Pats know what they're doing to give us a second string journeyman O-lineman or a 2nd round pick for Maroney, because that Dolphins game definitely trumps a run of good performances down the stretch last season or other productive periods. It's pretty clear that without Tom Brady, Maroney can't run a copying machine.

And with that 2nd round pick, maybe after we fire the whole front office and coaching staff, we can pick some guy all my draftnik boards say will be real real good. We might get the next KiJana Carter!

Yeah let's do it.

LOL, you forgot to mention that Patriots Place should be torn down and replaced by a toxic waste dump, all these buildings have obviously contributed heavily in the Patriots players going soft. Foxboro was much better when the parking lot smelled like piss and feces. Lets get rid of Kraft too and hire Vince McMahon as the new owner, yeah lets do it.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

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Let's see, Morris is over 30, Faulk is over 30 and Jordan is almost 30. Maroney is 23. You might be the dumbest GM since Matt Millen if you accepted trade like you suggested.

 

[KillEM]

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Maroney is 23... so what? With his injuries, he's doesn't even last as long as a 30+ year old RB.

I suggest trading him while he's still worth something. Now that Bradys out, our running game is gonna get exposed. And Maroney's gonna look bad. I dont care if he's 23... no way in hell that we would even want to resign him when his contract is done. Mindaswell get something for him while we still can.

 

[satz]

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Maroney is 23... so what? With his injuries, he's doesn't even last as long as a 30+ year old RB.

I suggest trading him while he's still worth something. Now that Bradys out, our running game is gonna get exposed. And Maroney's gonna look bad. I dont care if he's 23... no way in hell that we would even want to resign him when his contract is done. Mindaswell get something for him while we still can.

According to your argument last week when maroney out our other running backs had tremendous success ?.

 

[primetime]

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while I think trading Maroney at this point is stupid, looking back (hindsight being 20/20 of course), I would rather the pats drafted his college teamate Marion barber..

I would rather they hadn't taken a running back at all. 1st round running backs are almost never worth it - running ability is as much a function of the offensive line as it is the skill of the runner.

That's not to say Maroney isn't a talented player, it's just that there are guys you can draft in the 3rd, 4th round who would make just as much of a difference as a guy in the 1st round.

 

[alamo]

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Are there always classic "throw so-and-so overboard" threads on the bye week?

Usually after every loss. Last year, after every non-blowout win. For some people there is little distinction between "he's not a fall-of-famer" and "he's a third-string bum".

Pure entertainment.

Until you've been here long enough to have seen dozens of these.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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i think maroney is a good back but our offensive system and week in week out gameplan changes are not going to give him as much opportunities. I think if maroney was in denver his style would make him a monster. Even shanahan during the draft said that he thought maroney was going to a great player in the league. Does our off line employ the zone blocking scheme ?

They began attempting to transition to it in 2006. The transition has not gone as seamlessly as one might have hoped. They essentially scrapped it out of TC that year because it didn't suit Dillon's style at all and in Bill's own words divergent blocking schemes required too much substitution in game because the starting personnel were not capable of executing both zone and power blocking schemes while still pass blocking efficiently. It was a logistical nightmare for the staff to manage.

They undertook implementing it again last season but it was a work in progress and they had some other NEW things happening which shifted the focus away from running the ball (or in the case of our opponents defending the run)...

This year there were a lot of injuries to Olinemen through camp, preseason and extending into the regular season with Neal still 6 weeks away. And we lost a QB who makes focusing on the running game less a priority for us and our opponents. Some people just don't see that though. They are too busy bashing whoever didn't light up their fantasy league from week to week and that's all the football they really understand.

 

[VJCPatriot]

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A 38-13 drubbing by Miami has nothing to do with fantasy football. It's all about the results on the field. Hopefully Maroney can get healthy with the extra week off. He won't light up any league (fantasy or real), and BTW as I predicted at draft time, Darren Mcfadden WILL outproduce him during rookie season no less, however Maroney is the speediest back we've got. So we need to wait for him to heal and hopefully he can contribute something more as the season progresses. The offense needs to produce on the ground to be successful as our QB situation isn't exactly the greatest right now either.

 

[VJ11]

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I would rather they hadn't taken a running back at all. 1st round running backs are almost never worth it - running ability is as much a function of the offensive line as it is the skill of the runner.

That's not to say Maroney isn't a talented player, it's just that there are guys you can draft in the 3rd, 4th round who would make just as much of a difference as a guy in the 1st round.

Same goes for the WR position. For all the headaches you get with a huge contract mandated by their draft position, you still have wait for them to absorb the offensive playbook. It just makes you want to wait with drafting these skill players until Sunday (round 4-7) to keep them a little humble.

And about Maroney:my observation is he tends to accumulate unneeded punishment from time to time, running into tacklers when he still can make them miss. With the way I've seen other ballcarriers getting dragged down to the field surface, we're still kind of lucky with his amount of injuries.