The more you think about it and see photos, it was a dirty hit..

[alvinnf]

lol... are you being serious? I gave the link, go watch it.

Oh and then pause it at :40 and look at that lol

You know what it was a terrible blitz pickup, terrible. I'm not blaming Morris, but when Pollard is on the groung all he is thinking about is getting to Brady. And Brady just happened to step into it. It's not a dirty play.

Oh bye the way when you go to cut block someone, you set them up high, Faulks the master, Morris not so much.

 

[Deebs]

For all Patriot fans who think this was a dirty hit (which, I know, is not all of you), I submit the following theory:

I believe that if your memory of Sunday's game was somehow erased, and you were then shown footage of this play, but, (via some CGI/Industrial Light and Magic/Hollywood special effects trickery), all the the uniforms were perfectly reversed (Tom Brady being digitally altered to appear to be wearing a red "Croyle" jersey, Morris wearing an "L. Johnson" jersey, and Pollard wearing a "Wilfork" jersey), I submit that you would be passionately defending the hit, and claiming that it was not in any way dirty or illegal.

Therefore I conclude that you are arguing purely from a standpoint of, "I'm-a-Patriot-fan-therefore-the-other-team-must-always-be-wrong," as opposed to an objective, unbiased standpoint

So now I assume that my brilliant analysis will silence all who disagree with me and end all discussion of this subject once and for all. You're welcome. It's the least I could do.

 

[emoney_33]

You know what it was a terrible blitz pickup, terrible. I'm not blaming Morris, but when Pollard is on the groung all he is thinking about is getting to Brady. And Brady just happened to step into it. It's not a dirty play.

Oh bye the way when you go to cut block someone, you set them up high, Faulks the master, Morris not so much.

You are boggling my mind. Did you watch the video I linked to in its entirety? Including the slower replay?

Morris was there to hit Pollard, he picked up the blitz fine, and was set to block Pollard. Pollard then throws himself into the ground, literally. He just jumped to the ground to upend Morris and then dove at Brady's knees.

And your ridiculously blind and ignorant justification is that once on the ground it was fine because he was trying to make a play even though he put himself on the ground?


Take 15 minutes and watch the link over and over and over. You are making up a different play in your head right now.

Bad blitz pickup? Morris cut blocking? WTF Seriously alvin, are you smoking something?

 

[emoney_33]

For all Patriot fans who think this was a dirty hit (which, I know, is not all of you), I submit the following theory:

I believe that if your memory of Sunday's game was somehow erased, and you were then shown footage of this play, but, (via some CGI/Industrial Light and Magic/Hollywood special effects trickery), all the the uniforms were perfectly reversed (Tom Brady being digitally altered to appear to be wearing a red "Croyle" jersey, Morris wearing an "L. Johnson" jersey, and Pollard wearing a "Wilfork" jersey), I submit that you would be passionately defending the hit, and claiming that it was not in any way dirty or illegal.

Therefore I conclude that you are arguing purely from a standpoint of, "I'm-a-Patriot-fan-therefore-the-other-team-must-always-be-wrong," as opposed to an objective, unbiased standpoint

So now I assume that my brilliant analysis will silence all who disagree with me and end all discussion of this subject once and for all. You're welcome. It's the least I could do.

You first ASSUME what people would think in a completely hypothetical impossible to produce situation, and clal that analysis? You don't like the pats, so I shall now ASSUME that if it was the other way around YOU would argue it was illegal.

Just watch the play, who cares about who is playing. The safety threw himself on the ground and then lunged at the QB, the blocker did nothing but be one of the unfortunate victims of this wild idiot's stupid play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnHcSujDMh4

 

[Funkbat]

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or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily; although such
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grasp of a tackler, a kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air, or a player
on the ground at the end of a play).

 

[Deebs]

You first ASSUME what people would think in a completely hypothetical impossible to produce situation, and clal that analysis? You don't like the pats, so I shall now ASSUME that if it was the other way around YOU would argue it was illegal.

Just watch the play, who cares about who is playing. The safety threw himself on the ground and then lunged at the QB, the blocker did nothing but be one of the unfortunate victims of this wild idiot's stupid play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnHcSujDMh4

Okay. So just to be clear then, you're saying that if this EXACT same play happened Sunday, except that it was Wilfork taking out Croyle instead of Pollard taking out Brady, you're saying that you would be passionately arguing that Wilfork should be fined and/or suspended, correct? And if it HAD been Wilfork instead of Pollard, and the league did indeed fine him, you would not in any way say something like, "Roger Goodell is a Jet-loving Patriot hater" or "this suspension is just total bullsh*t" or anything to that effect, right?

I'm just checking to be sure.

 

[loosebearing]

I just watched the beginning of the game again to see the plays leading up to the "hit"

Four plays before the hit, Pollard came upon Maroney about 8 yards downfield. Two Chiefs were closing from Maroney's left side and Pollard from Maroney's front. Instead of manning up - Pollard dove low and hit Maroney just below the knee (same spot as he hit Brady) and Maroney fliped upside down and then hit the ground.

Three plays before the hit, Pollard came upon Moss again about 8 yards downfield. Moss had been tackled after a catch and was laying on his back when Pollard (close to a late hit) tried to spear Moss. He dove at Moss and attempted to put his helmet into Moss's helmet - but Moss raised up his leg up into the gut of Pollard and propelled Pollard higher and Moss took Pollard's gut to the head rather than Pollard's helmet. (Maybe this is why Moss was so vocal about "dirty play.")

The next two plays I couldn't locate Pollard on my TV.

On the "play" Pollard blitzed and upon seeing Morris he did what he did to Maroney (and Brady) and took Morris on just below the knees. Undercutting him.

I guess that is the only way he plays.

I remember when Harrison was put out for the season when he was "cut" on a tackle by a Titan and basically called him dirty and a woose for not manning up and tackling right.

 

[loosebearing]

Deebs

Read what Wilfork had to say about the Pollard play and about his play.

He puts it plain and simple. And said he will say it to the league office

 

[alvinnf]

You are boggling my mind. Did you watch the video I linked to in its entirety? Including the slower replay?

Morris was there to hit Pollard, he picked up the blitz fine, and was set to block Pollard. Pollard then throws himself into the ground, literally. He just jumped to the ground to upend Morris and then dove at Brady's knees.

And your ridiculously blind and ignorant justification is that once on the ground it was fine because he was trying to make a play even though he put himself on the ground?


Take 15 minutes and watch the link over and over and over. You are making up a different play in your head right now.

Bad blitz pickup? Morris cut blocking? WTF Seriously alvin, are you smoking something?

Well, unless you have shot showing Morris's eyes. Blitzer don't typically B- line it to the dirt, they ussually just blow people up, mainly because itkeeps you in the way and disurbs the QB's site lines. He hit the turf to avoid being chopped. But I guess that is the lesser point. i did'nt watch replays to see it happen, I saw it and felt it a Millisecond before it happened, and I did'nt even see Moss catch the ball because my brain was trying to see the pocket. No smokey....

 

[emoney_33]

Okay. So just to be clear then, you're saying that if this EXACT same play happened Sunday, except that it was Wilfork taking out Croyle instead of Pollard taking out Brady, you're saying that you would be passionately arguing that Wilfork should be fined and/or suspended, correct? And if it HAD been Wilfork instead of Pollard, and the league did indeed fine him, you would not in any way say something like, "Roger Goodell is a Jet-loving Patriot hater" or "this suspension is just total bullsh*t" or anything to that effect, right?

I'm just checking to be sure.

I would not FIGHT for Wilfork to get fined or suspended, does that even make sense? I would absolutely agree that Wilfork screwed up and wonder WTF he was thinking and why he would do that. However you won't see Wilfork taking out a RBs knees to get around him and then LUNGING.

I also did not say any of those things when Wilfork was fined last year. As BB put it it's the player's responsibility to hit above the knee. Wilfork last year was a different situation (he got tackled/pushed from behind) but he still made a bad judgement call trying to stick his arm out on the way down.

 

[emoney_33]

Well, unless you have shot showing Morris's eyes. Blitzer don't typically B- line it to the dirt, they ussually just blow people up, mainly because itkeeps you in the way and disurbs the QB's site lines. He hit the turf to avoid being chopped. But I guess that is the lesser point. i did'nt watch replays to see it happen, I saw it and felt it a Millisecond before it happened, and I did'nt even see Moss catch the ball because my brain was trying to see the pocket. No smokey....

What on God's green earth are you talking about. How does it make ANY sense to Fall on the floor if you believe a RB is going to cut block you? If they go low... YOU GO HIGH. If he "knew" Morris was going low he could have / would have went over him (making Morris look stupid) and getting an easy CLEAN sack on Brady.


However this isnt' the case... again JUST WATCH THE PLAY. It's annoying having to say things to you when I provide the link and you can see for yourself (it's in my sig now too). Morris comes up to block Pollard and Pollard just undercuts him, like he had been doing to everyone (going low).

Your entire theory now rests on your opinion that Morris was THINKING about going low and Pollard KNEW this so he went low first? LMFAO

Alvin.. cmon now, please don't make me explain more things to you from the video. JUST CLICK THE LINK AND WATCH IT

 

[alvinnf]

Wilfork last year was a different situation (he got tackled/pushed from behind) but he still made a bad judgement call trying to stick his arm out on the way down.[/QUOTE]

Pollard too was getting blocked or tackled from behind, he did'nt have time to make a bad judgement, him and TB's knee just happened to arrive at the wrong spot at the wrong time.

 

[Deebs]

I would absolutely agree that Wilfork screwed up and wonder WTF he was thinking and why he would do that. ...
I also did not say any of those things when Wilfork was fined last year. As BB put it it's the player's responsibility to hit above the knee. Wilfork last year was a different situation (he got tackled/pushed from behind) but he still made a bad judgement call trying to stick his arm out on the way down.

Fair enough.

My original point, and this is purely a personal belief, was that a lot of Patriot fans will only see things from a "my-team-is-always-right" perspective, and if this play was reversed, would defend Wilfork and claim that the hit was not dirty or illegal. It's like Jerry Seinfeld says - when it comes to sports, we all just root for laundry.

If you say that you're not one of those fans, and that you would just as easily criticize Wilfork if the situation was reversed, then fine. I respect that. I still think there are many fans who would not be so objective, but I won't lump you in with them.

And for the record, I obviously don't think that it's just Patriot fans who have a monopoly on blind homerism. I think that there are plenty of fans for all teams who are guilty of the same mindset.

 

[emoney_33]

Pollard too was getting blocked or tackled from behind, he did'nt have time to make a bad judgement, him and TB's knee just happened to arrive at the wrong spot at the wrong time.

Your stubbornness and refusal to actually watch the play is making this discussion go nowhere. Pollard threw himself on the ground (forcing Morris on top of him) and then when Morris got off him he lunged at Brady. It was not one smooth motion of falling towards the QB and sticking an arm out.

And Brady's knee just happened to arrive at the wrong spot at the wrong time? Let's fake Brady doesn't step forward... WTF does Pollard lunge into then, air? So Pollard is just lunging as a missile into the air and Brady puts his damn knee in the way... ok pal.

 

[pheenix11]

Does anyone know which rule Wilfork broke that he was fined?

 

[alvinnf]

Wilfork last year was a different situation (he got tackled/pushed from behind) but he still made a bad judgement call trying to stick his arm out on the way down.

It's only a different situation because of the uniform he's wearing. Listen to yourself you're actually making excuses for him, "he got pushed from behind"
Playing the blame game is just a bad act. Deebs is right if the uni's were reversed so would your stance.

Oh and I don't need to see the link, I've seen that sh*t enough.

 

[emoney_33]

Fair enough.

My original point, and this is purely a personal belief, was that a lot of Patriot fans will only see things from a "my-team-is-always-right" perspective, and if this play was reversed, would defend Wilfork and claim that the hit was not dirty or illegal. It's like Jerry Seinfeld says - when it comes to sports, we all just root for laundry.

If you say that you're not one of those fans, and that you would just as easily criticize Wilfork if the situation was reversed, then fine. I respect that. I still think there are many fans who would not be so objective, but I won't lump you in with them.

And for the record, I obviously don't think that it's just Patriot fans who have a monopoly on blind homerism. I think that there are plenty of fans for all teams who are guilty of the same mindset.

it's definitely difficult for fans to be objective, and I will agree that even I may be swayed on topics that are on the fringe by who I like better, but in a situation like this I just can't find anyway to argue the opposite. I'm not saying Pollard's intent was to take Brady out like some sort of goon. I am saying that his play was reckless, stupid and negligent and the NFL should not tolerate such play as the risk is far too high.

Pollard was not forced into anything on that entire play, he willingly put himself into every position he found himself in.

 

[alvinnf]

And Brady's knee just happened to arrive at the wrong spot at the wrong time? Let's fake Brady doesn't step forward... WTF does Pollard lunge into then, air? So Pollard is just lunging as a missile into the air and Brady puts his damn knee in the way... ok pal.

Pollard is trying to get to Brady and Brady is steppin up to throw it, they end up in the same spot, Sad, but true..

 

[emoney_33]

It's only a different situation because of the uniform he's wearing. Listen to yourself you're actually making excuses for him, "he got pushed from behind"
Playing the blame game is just a bad act. Deebs is right if the uni's were reversed so would your stance.

Oh and I don't need to see the link, I've seen that sh*t enough.

I haven't met anyone as arrogant and stubborn (and wrong) as you in my life.

The situation is 100% different. Wilfork made a GOOD football move getting passed the OL, the OL in turn pushed/tackled Wilfork in a futile attempt to keep him away from Losman, or in panic after getting beat. Wilfork was striaght lining toward the QB before he got pushed, his momentum shifted from straight into Losman (HIGH) to falling downards toward Losman. He then proceeded to make a BAD split second decision to throw his arm out, which ended up hitting Losman in the knee. Wilfork was RIGHTFULLY FINED.

The Pollard play was entirely different as Pollard was never pushed/tackled from behind changing his momentum. His movement/momentum was generated completely by him from before the snap all the way to getting up after taking Brady out.

 

[emoney_33]

Pollard is trying to get to Brady and Brady is steppin up to throw it, they end up in the same spot, Sad, but true..

alvinn... seriously now. WATCH THE DAMN PLAY. I have the link all over this thread.


He LUNGED into Brady's knee. If you claim he did not lunge at Brady's legs then what the hell was he lunging for? You say Brady stepped up at the same time. So if this is true, then what did Pollard see that made him lunge like that? AIR?