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Because ************ is the Lord, while George Carlin, while very talented, is a comedian.
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Because ************ is the Lord, while George Carlin, while very talented, is a comedian.
The entire film is available here. This is Part 1. The rest is available on the link.
Im posting it only so that people who wish to can see it, not to engage in debate about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3sKPhuasHk
I can confirm God's sick sense of humor. If I were to assume that god had anything to do with events in the universe, then he is truly one sick dude...but funny.Jesus didn't have a sense of humor, did he. At least, nothing in the Bible suggests he did. Did he ever laugh or crack a joke? He must have. I know God has an incredible sense of humor.
you are still missing the point of just who is sending us to eternal seperation, or "Hell" if you will. We send ourselves. If our plane is taking off but we refuse to leave our house and drive to the airport, did the airline send us to our living room?
God gives us all free will. A parent loves his children but when children grow up they have free will. Is it a parents fault if their adult children decide to become drug addicts instead of following their example?
How do I threaten you with Hell? I dont have to. Without ************, you're already on your way by your own choice, not Gods. What im saying is that ************ offers a way to Heaven. Your logic is that you dont want to accept the gift because you dont like the fact that the gift is needed. I dont want a seat on the lifeboat because the maker of the lifeboat shouldnt have hit the iceberg.
God is providing the answer. While Satan has you blaming God for the Hell you are choosing.
Most Christians sugar coat all this in order to "fit in". Phonys like Joel Osteen go on Larry King and say he "doesnt want to say that one must accept Jesus to go to Heaven" ( because it might cut into his audience)
I wont do that. Its not "intolerant" to say that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and that No one goes to the Father except through the Son.
Its the truth. Its the loving thing to say because it is the way to Heaven. To say otherwise costs people eternity with God.
Jesus said these words and got crucified. The Disciples said these words and were killed mercilessly. Man twists these things and gets caught up in all sorts of evil in the pursuit of worldly power. But its not the truth that causes the problems, its the worldly men who get the message wrong and move away from scripture for their own evil ends. Long after the conflicts of people have come on gone, eternal truths will remain.
Accepting ************ as your Lord and Savior places you with Him for all of eternity. That is a pretty loving place to be.[/QUOTE
Really I'm not sure how your airline 'metaphor' makes sense but anyway...
Depicting God solely as a father is simply phallocentricism.
And if there is such a thing as 'divine will' then why would it matter what choices we make because God's will will supercede our own. Somehow I doubt that. Read 'Candide' and then decide if you ever will believe the Bible again.
Jesus didn't have a sense of humor, did he. At least, nothing in the Bible suggests he did. Did he ever laugh or crack a joke? He must have. I know God has an incredible sense of humor.
hmmm. interesting thats what it makes you think of.
for myself, I think of Salvation by Grace, Justification by Faith in the one who died for my sins. The love that God has for us that He would sent His Son to die for us.
But hey, whatever, Bruschi..
Theft is still theft. What this or any other piracy is doing is stealing someone's hard work whether it is of a secular nature or not. I doubt Jesus would approve of theft in any way.
Oh, you are bored, 3. For the second time this week I see stuff I need to respond to before signing in (hence, penetrating the ignore barrier!)
I find it amusing that people with no interest whatsoever in a man's historical statements and actions run around trumpeting a character bearing the same name, and expect their faith to justify any discrepancies. I have no problem with Christianity, and no problem with Jesus. You must realize, however, that only the faithful see them as one and the same.
Unfortunately, it's back to iggie with you
PFnV
It's really kinda cool, the iggie thing, though I do look down and see little jabs like this from "high orbit," then just have to respond.
I believe it is my turn.
Nut uh, you.
I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.
You have no understanding of the life of Jesus, because you are more interested in validating the books about him which gained canonical approval. It's not really your fault, because he did not write a diary, and it's very hard work sorting out what he likely did and said, from the remainder of what's in the gospels.
I'm only a little better off... I studied the fringes of the field for only a bit. You have not done even that, because it is not your business to examine the bible -- any part of it -- critically.
You are interested in what you believe, what you have faith in. I am interested in what happened. And of course, I am not interested in you.
Mel Gibson, by contrast to both of us but in keeping with the thread topic, seems to be interested in anti-Semitism, as anyone who saw his faux snuff porn film can attest, and as is reinforced by his statements to arresting officers, and subsequent statements as included earlier in the thread.
But I'll let these threads rest in peace for a bit, despite the urge to nuke from high orbit. The religion forum is only really much fun when you shut up and other voices are heard.
Yours not in Christ,
PFnV
Because he was saying that mankind killed Christ. It was the Romans who killed Christ at the urging of the Jewish religious leaders. It was very political.
I finally got around to watching The Passion of the Christ last night, and I'm not ashamed to say I shed a few tears in the process. I'm not an overly religious person (I am a Catholic), since I have my issues with "the church", who I guess would be best represented in the film by the religious leaders who were calling for Jesus' crucifiction. Anyhow, I quoted the above cuz it's exactly how I felt watching the movie. To me it was politics & mankind that drove Jesus' death.
The movie itself was excellently made. Say what you will about Gibson, but he's an exceptional movie maker. I've seen Appocolypto, and now the The Passion, and they're both amazing. The realism of his films is not for the faint of heart.
Im glad you got to see it. I thought it was very clear if you watched the film that in no way was it portraying anything anti-semitic. I find it a shame that because of that media propaganda about it you cant even find the film on cable or even pay-per-view ( at least on Comcast) when there are plenty other very violent films, not to mention porn, available everywhere.
The Passion of the Christ, beyond reminding me the depth of Gods love for us, to go through that for ME, is also a reminder that its not about religion, or going to church, or about any pastor, or "Christians" and "Christianity" and its human failings, but its about Him. It truly focuses me in my faith, as does the movie "The Gospel of John".
To me, its the greatest love story ever. And that ending, simply showing His resurrection after all of it, a most inspiring and victorious conclusion.
"You have heard it said...You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy. But I say to you...love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you...for if you love only those who love you...what reward is there in that?
It was wierd watching the film, getting emotional, both with sadness in seeing what Jesus went through, and with anger toward those who persecuted him, cuz it made me think about what my response should be. At times I wanted to jump into the screen and shred those losers who were whipping him, to pieces. Then I'd stop to think about his words early in the film "those who live by the sword, die by the sword", and I realized that my anger wasn't what he was looking for. Then came this:
What powerful words to consider when you're watching his persecution. At one point I wanted to croak someone, and then the next, you see that such anger genuinely serves little purpose. It was a very powerful movie for sure.