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this one from Aaron Schatz.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5237156

I usually don't even care but I do read them and had to share this one. He has Washington, at least they're in the playoffs, and the Bengals ahead of the Pats. A team that lost last week ahead of the Pats? Also says the 10 game win streak in the playoffs is overrated.

Just read that they used a statstical formula to rank them. Still funny though.
 
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PatsRI said:
this one from Aaron Schatz.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5237156

I usually don't even care but I do read them and had to share this one. He has Washington, at least they're in the playoffs, and the Bengals ahead of the Pats. A team that lost last week ahead of the Pats? Also says the 10 game win streak in the playoffs is overrated.

Just read that they used a statstical formula to rank them. Still funny though.

Aaron Schatz is overrated. See, anyone can do that, try it.
 
id be interested in hearing from him why 10-0 in the playoffs is overrated? 16-0 in the reg season could be if you dont win the superbowl..
 
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10-0 is not overrated as an accomplishment for a franchise. But as a predictor of future success, I would agree it is overrated. I believe that the only people who started in the 2001 playoffs and are starting now are TB, Tedy, Willie, and Seymour ... whichy makes the franchise accomplishment even greater.
 
Aaron Schatz

his pants.
 
Have you considered reading the other thread on this posted today?

Oh, and I agree the 10-0 is overrated, because it's just a byproduct of winning three Super Bowls. The REAL accomplishment is the Super Bowls and the fact they missed the playoffs in 2002 instead of squeaking in with a 99% chance of losing and breaking the streak means nothing.

I guarantee that if they lose this week they won't care one bit about the streak, and people here will be downplaying it as well.
 
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PatsRI said:
this one from Aaron Schatz.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5237156

I usually don't even care but I do read them and had to share this one. He has Washington, at least they're in the playoffs, and the Bengals ahead of the Pats. A team that lost last week ahead of the Pats? Also says the 10 game win streak in the playoffs is overrated.

Just read that they used a statstical formula to rank them. Still funny though.

I do something similar to DVOA ranking as a hobby. I must agree with Aaron Schatz. (It's like game theory - See the movies "A Beautiful Mind").

Look at it this way. Say a person (called him Pat) does marathon 10 times with results ranging from 3 hours to 5 hours, average is 4 hours.

If you must guess what his time would be the next run, what can
you say? 4 hours?

Let's say a Broncos guy runs with average 2.5 hours, but ranges
from 2 to 5 hours, we have to rank the Bronc guy above the Pat guy, right?

But the next run, can we be sure that the Bronc guy will beat the Pat guy?

I have to say that in my estimate, the Broncos has a better chance of winning than the Pats, as they are more well rounded (run offense, run defense, pass O, pass D, special/kicking...) based on past 16-game record .

(but past performance is not predictive of future returns)

If we model the game statistically (sort of like Madden game simulators), being well rounded has a much better chance of winning than being excel at a few, but worse at the others. It's multiplicative, not additive. Like this:

(0.1 x 0.7=0.07, which is less than 0.4 x 0.4= 0.16, even though
0.1+0.7 = 0.4 +0.4=0.8)

Pats' weakness is their running game and suspect 2ndary.

So I likens the Broncos and Pats' chance to a game of rolling the dices.
Let's say whoever have a bigger total, wins. The Broncos have 2 dices,
the Pats, just one. So, the Broncos' expected score is 7, the Pats': 3.5.

They should indeed be favored. But that's if they play 100 times.

Just for one time? The Pats may roll a six, and the Broncos may roll a snake eye.

"That's why they play the game" (and why it's entertaining).

For me, the fun part is the psychological aspect of the game. Mental
toughness is not intangible. They are measurable effects on athletes'
performance. We can have confidence in Brady and Pats' coolness under
pressure, but what about the Broncos at home? They can be just as
tough and confident. So this "edge" may not be as much as the hype.

I have noticed the Pats' "prone to panic" early this year, worse than
2003 season. If the Broncos is up 10-0 and the Pats start to
go gun every down, and Brady gets frustrated, it'll be a long night.
 
GameDay said:
I do something similar to DVOA ranking as a hobby. I must agree with Aaron Schatz. (It's like game theory - See the movies "A Beautiful Mind").

Look at it this way. Say a person (called him Pat) does marathon 10 times with results ranging from 3 hours to 5 hours, average is 4 hours.

If you must guess what his time would be the next run, what can
you say? 4 hours?

Let's say a Broncos guy runs with average 2.5 hours, but ranges
from 2 to 5 hours, we have to rank the Bronc guy above the Pat guy, right?

But the next run, can we be sure that the Bronc guy will beat the Pat guy?

I have to say that in my estimate, the Broncos has a better chance of winning than the Pats, as they are more well rounded (run offense, run defense, pass O, pass D, special/kicking...) based on past 16-game record .

(but past performance is not predictive of future returns)

If we model the game statistically (sort of like Madden game simulators), being well rounded has a much better chance of winning than being excel at a few, but worse at the others. It's multiplicative, not additive. Like this:

(0.1 x 0.7=0.07, which is less than 0.4 x 0.4= 0.16, even though
0.1+0.7 = 0.4 +0.4=0.8)

Pats' weakness is their running game and suspect 2ndary.

So I likens the Broncos and Pats' chance to a game of rolling the dices.
Let's say whoever have a bigger total, wins. The Broncos have 2 dices,
the Pats, just one. So, the Broncos' expected score is 7, the Pats': 3.5.

They should indeed be favored. But that's if they play 100 times.

Just for one time? The Pats may roll a six, and the Broncos may roll a snake eye.

"That's why they play the game" (and why it's entertaining).

For me, the fun part is the psychological aspect of the game. Mental
toughness is not intangible. They are measurable effects on athletes'
performance. We can have confidence in Brady and Pats' coolness under
pressure, but what about the Broncos at home? They can be just as
tough and confident. So this "edge" may not be as much as the hype.

I have noticed the Pats' "prone to panic" early this year, worse than
2003 season. If the Broncos is up 10-0 and the Pats start to
go gun every down, and Brady gets frustrated, it'll be a long night.

You bored the **** out of me.
 
At least Scatz got it right about McGinest: "Underhyped: Willie McGinest setting the all-time postseason sack record. When you hear that McGinest passed Bruce Smith and Reggie White, you figure he only did it because the Patriots have played so many more postseason games — but you would be wrong. McGinest took only 17 games to break a record Smith and White set in 20 and 19 games, respectively. Impressive."

Gameday, you're absolutely right, but we really need to take into account the fact that BB has exceptional ability in getting his team ready for the playoffs. It's almost as if the Pats become a different team in post-season. Whether that's true or not will be tested this week, and if the Pats win, you can figure out how to weigh that into your calculations!
 
GameDay said:
Blah blah blah.


You have now offically annoyed me. As you are doing so under a screen name while using the internet, you are in violation of Federal Law.

Now, where did I write down the FBI's number...? Hmmm... I know it'a around here somewhere....
 
PATSNUTme said:
You bored the **** out of me.

Yes, it can indeed be stupendously boring. But do you
know that Game theory and risk calculations govern $trillion of
insurance and financial industry? Your health insurance rate,
your car, home, and your 401 k retirement, portfolio in hedge fund...
all depend on it. (And US Homeland Security too!)

A couple years ago, Judy Battista (?) of NewYork Times had
an article about BB seeking out an article on risk/success 4th-down
calculated by an economist (BB's degree is econ). I would not be
surprised that BB's secret is his private calculation of risk/(prob
of success) of each down in each situation.

IBM Big blue now routinely beats the best human chest player
(Kasparov). It may not be long that game day management and play calling
will be best done with a computer. If fact, I knew a founder of a
company (start-up in Mass) many years ago produced a software
for digital video analysis of football plays used in NFL. By looking
at a line-up, the computer can recall the most probable play from the
database; and the coach can call a play best to counter it.

Yeah I know, very very boring. ;)
One man's hobby is another's torture.
 
Na_polian said:
You have now offically annoyed me. As you are doing so under a screen name while using the internet, you are in violation of Federal Law.

Now, where did I write down the FBI's number...? Hmmm... I know it'a around here somewhere....

Try this: :cool:
http://www.fbi.gov
 
Here is my ranking's

1. Patriots - Best qb? Best running defense? Best o-line? Best Coach? Yeah... uh... nothing can stop the patriots. Lets leave it at that.
2. Bears - Amazing overall defense. Easily the best in the NFC... all they need now is a QB
3. Seahawks - Matthasselbeck, and Sean Alexander. Great pair, the two... but their defense, and receivers are just not enough to win this year.
4. Steelers - With the good defense, and mediocre offense, bettis will carry them to the championship where they will loose to the pats.
5. Broncos - Very good running game... thats about it.
6. Colts - Amazing offense... amazing choke artists. Having that much skill is wasted when you cant do *#(% in the playoffs.
7. Panthers - Good run, but it all ends against the bears. Steve smith should be traded.
8. Redskins - Its a fluke they are in.
 
Flea ROCKS! Not enough Californication for me........yet!!!
 
Brady'sButtBoy said:
Flea ROCKS! Not enough Californication for me........yet!!!

he sure does. iv made it a priority to learn most of his stuff on bass :p
 
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