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The Athletic: Which of the NFL Draft’s top QBs has the best mechanics? Experts grade each passer

The Athletic asked a few top private QB coaches in the countries to rate each prospect's mechanics. Some snippets...

Caleb Williams​

Efficiency: 4.8
Adaptability: 5
Speed: 4.25
Overall: 4.9

Drake Maye​

Efficiency: 3.6
Adaptability: 3.5
Speed: 3.3
Overall: 3.75
"Maye’s mechanics have been the subject of much debate among analysts. There seem to be wide-ranging opinions about his release, accuracy and footwork. Maye will miss layup passes occasionally, but most of the coaches who participated in the article agree it’s mostly because of correctable footwork issues."

Jayden Daniels​

Efficiency: 4
Adaptability: 3.5
Speed: 3.6
Overall: 3.8
Most agree that Daniels made a lot of improvements as an efficient thrower and has strong mechanics. One coach said it’s nitpicking, but when he puts a lot of heat on the ball, he tends to get overaggressive with his arm, leading to breakdowns. Daniels is an excellent touch thrower, but he didn’t have to force a lot of bullets into tight windows because of how good his receivers were as vertical threats and the system he played in. He also had clean pockets with one of the best offensive lines in the country, and when he broke the pocket, he would look to run rather than set up for a pass. Will he be able to maintain his mechanics in tighter pockets and smaller windows?

J.J. McCarthy​

Efficiency: 3.8
Adaptability: 4
Speed: 3.1
Overall: 3.75
McCarthy has a strong arm and throws with a lot of zip, but he doesn’t throw with a lot of touch, which is a skill that requires different mechanics than when he’s throwing line drives. Another concern is that his accuracy dips when throwing to the left. Coaches believe it’s a combination of footwork problems and a tendency to overstride.

Michael Penix Jr.​

Efficiency: 4
Adaptability: 3.3
Speed: 3.3
Overall: 3.8

Bo Nix​

Efficiency: 4
Adaptability: 4
Speed: 3.8
Overall: 3.9

Spencer Rattler​

Efficiency: 4.3
Adaptability: 4.25
Speed: 3.5
Overall: 4
 
The Athletic: Which of the NFL Draft’s top QBs has the best mechanics? Experts grade each passer

The Athletic asked a few top private QB coaches in the countries to rate each prospect's mechanics. Some snippets...

Caleb Williams​

Efficiency: 4.8
Adaptability: 5
Speed: 4.25
Overall: 4.9

Drake Maye​

Efficiency: 3.6
Adaptability: 3.5
Speed: 3.3
Overall: 3.75
"Maye’s mechanics have been the subject of much debate among analysts. There seem to be wide-ranging opinions about his release, accuracy and footwork. Maye will miss layup passes occasionally, but most of the coaches who participated in the article agree it’s mostly because of correctable footwork issues."

Jayden Daniels​

Efficiency: 4
Adaptability: 3.5
Speed: 3.6
Overall: 3.8
Most agree that Daniels made a lot of improvements as an efficient thrower and has strong mechanics. One coach said it’s nitpicking, but when he puts a lot of heat on the ball, he tends to get overaggressive with his arm, leading to breakdowns. Daniels is an excellent touch thrower, but he didn’t have to force a lot of bullets into tight windows because of how good his receivers were as vertical threats and the system he played in. He also had clean pockets with one of the best offensive lines in the country, and when he broke the pocket, he would look to run rather than set up for a pass. Will he be able to maintain his mechanics in tighter pockets and smaller windows?

J.J. McCarthy​

Efficiency: 3.8
Adaptability: 4
Speed: 3.1
Overall: 3.75
McCarthy has a strong arm and throws with a lot of zip, but he doesn’t throw with a lot of touch, which is a skill that requires different mechanics than when he’s throwing line drives. Another concern is that his accuracy dips when throwing to the left. Coaches believe it’s a combination of footwork problems and a tendency to overstride.

Michael Penix Jr.​

Efficiency: 4
Adaptability: 3.3
Speed: 3.3
Overall: 3.8

Bo Nix​

Efficiency: 4
Adaptability: 4
Speed: 3.8
Overall: 3.9

Spencer Rattler​

Efficiency: 4.3
Adaptability: 4.25
Speed: 3.5
Overall: 4
So, according to them Rattler is the second best of the group? And Nix third?
 
This would put us out of the running for a big name QB or LT, but we would have the ammunition to fill the many holes on this roster.
The problem with this, especially at QB, is this:

Right now, the Patriots are guaranteed to have two of the top 4 QBs [Williams, Maye, Daniels, and McCarthy, in whatever order] available when they're on the clock at 3.

If they trade down, that guarantee goes away. Yes, it is not a given that whoever they pick will work out. But that has to be weighed against the uncertainty of "If not now, when, who, and how much will it cost?"
 
Dane Brugler's latest QB rankings:
  • 1. Caleb Williams (#1 overall among all prospects)
  • 2. Drake Maye (#4 overall)
  • 3. Jayden Daniels (#8)
  • 4. JJ McCarthy (#21)
  • 5. Bo Nix (#44)
  • 6. Michael Penix Jr. (#52)
  • 7. Spencer Rattler (#72)
Relevant:

Drake Maye summary:
A two-year starter at North Carolina, Maye thrived in Phil Longo’s Air Raid offense in 2022 and Chip Lindsey’s more balanced attack in 2023 (head coach Mack Brown also hired Clyde Christensen, who coached Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and several other NFL quarterbacks, as an offensive analyst in 2023). Despite only two years as the Tar Heels’ starter, they were the two most productive seasons by a quarterback in North Carolina history — Maye’s 5,019 yards of total offense in 2022 set the school record and his 4,057 yards of total offense in 2023 was the second-most (he was the only FBS quarterback to accumulate over 9,000 yards of total offense over the last two seasons). With his arm strength and pacing, Maye put the full inventory of throws on tape and operates with timing from the pocket to attack the defense’s leverage. He is a quick-reaction athlete to make plays off-schedule as a scrambler and can rip throws from different platforms. His arm can get juiced-up at times, disrupting his ball placement, and his progression reads are still a work in progress, especially when he feels pressed to make a play (39-to-4 touchdown-to-interception ratio in the first half compared to 24-to-12 in the second half). Overall, Maye needs to cut down on the reckless decisions, but he is a well-put-together passer with the on-field command, athletic instincts and arm talent to create solutions for the problems that NFL defenses present. With his physical gifts and smarts, he is cut from the same cloth as Justin Herbert and has a similar ceiling as an NFL player.

Jayden Daniels summary:
A two-year starter at LSU, Daniels was a dual-threat quarterback in former offensive coordinator Mike Denbrock’s spread, read-based offense (minimal play-action). Previously stuck in a deteriorating situation at Arizona State, he transferred to Baton Rouge, received consistent coaching and thrived with the Tigers, including a prolific and decorated 2023 season (became the first player in college football history with 12,000 -plus passing yards and 3,000-plus rushing yards in a career). As a passer, Daniels plays with poise and balanced feet, and he uncoils with a rapid release and the arm talent to layer throws to all three levels, doing his best work on deep outside throws (slot fades, posts, etc.). His processing skills are ascending but still have plenty of room for improvement, especially once he is pressured (he is more likely to scramble than create second-chance throws once moved from his spot). While not overly creative as a passer or runner, his athletic instincts produce explosive runs and are part of what makes him dangerous. Overall, Daniels is a smooth point guard from the pocket when his eyes stay on schedule, and his dazzling run skills make him a problem for defenses. This isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison, but NFL scouts say he forces opponents to defend him like Lamar Jackson.

JJ McCarthy summary:
A two-year starter at Michigan, McCarthy was the point guard of former head coach Jim Harbaugh’s pro-style spread offense that relied on a power-run attack and shifts/motions to create favorable matchups in the passing game. After compiling a 36-2 record in high school with a state title, he led the Wolverines to a 27-1 record as a starter (school-record .964 winning percentage), including the 2023 national championship. Though McCarthy needs to add more bulk to his frame, he is a good-sized athlete who can operate from the pocket with balance, negotiate pressure and create plays with his mobility when needed. He is a loose passer, quick to process what the defense gives him and delivers with velocity and accuracy from various platforms (school -record 67.6 percent career completion percentage). However, his decision-making is still developing, and he must prove he can get further into his progressions. NFL teams describe him as a “winner” and love the way he is wired (Harbaugh calls him the “Ice Man” for the way he stays cool under pressure). Overall, McCarthy’s evaluation feels incomplete, which creates even more projection than normal, but his passing skills, pocket athleticism and mental makeup are all ascending and create optimism for his NFL future. Although bumps along the way should be expected, he has the package of tools to become an NFL starter early in his career.
 
From BCG’s entry on page 1 of this thread. Notice the deep ball agonistes of JJM and the inconsist ball placement by Dyke Maye, who regressed this past season.
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Love this young man. Too bad he’s a 6’0” smurf. He’s got everything else going for him, though.

This past season running the pro style South Carolina offense he had a ****show on the OL. Fourteen different starters!

Xavier Legette the real deal. My receiver #4.
 

Last night I watched a Kurt Warner vid that would fully agree with this ("He may be more gifted..." 42:50).




Edit: Kurt Benkert was an NFL QB? He looks like a jag dude I'd see at an Allston bar talking sports.
 
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Oops. I don’t know how Drake was transmogrified like that.
 
Prediction (and caveat: I'm always wrong)

2. WAS: Maye
3. NE: JJ
5. MIN: Daniels (trade with LAC. Rumor has it MIN prefers JJ.)
I want Maye over Daniels
Since you’re always wrong. We’ll call you the Whammy.
But that is a good thing on who we get
 
Last night I watched a Kurt Warner vid that would fully agree with this ("He may be more gifted..." 42:50).




Edit: Kurt Benkert was an NFL QB? He looks like a jag dude I'd see at a Lower Allston bar talking sports.

This was truly outstanding. Thank you.
 
Love this young man. Too bad he’s a 6’0” smurf. He’s got everything else going for him, though.

This past season running the pro style South Carolina offense he had a ****show on the OL. Fourteen different starters!

Xavier Legette the real deal. My receiver #4.
My big issue with Rattler is whether he has matured since Oklahoma because he’s was known as the biggest *** in Oklahoma football history, just read some of the Reddit stories from classmates back then would give you Manziel vibes!

Did he completely grow up when he left there? Impossible for us to answer that and if you can’t answer that I wouldn’t bother drafting him.
 
Researching his development as a person and player at South Carolina—it’s almost like a Prince Hal/King Henry V situation. For those of you who are familiar with Shakespeare.

He has gone from being the number one high school QB with an entitlement air to a hardworking leader. Big transformation.
 


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