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Media had an advanced look at all the episodes and told us things were going to be really bad when in reality there wasn't that much new but it had everyone over analyzing things like Bill's days in Cleveland because people thought they were setting things up.

In the end it was still sensational garbage focused on tabloid aspects rather than developing what actually drove the Dynasty in some cases they completely omitted key pieces (see Rodney and Corey). But the media looking for clicks played up to tabloid crap.

Lastly, I would say the series barely covered BB getting fired. Obviously the Brady decision was part of it but they didn't cover anything from 2019-present. They certainly showed the screw ups that lead to Tom deciding to leave. But they basically just went from us winning SB53 to Tom leaving. Skipped a lot of things that could of added context like the tampering Miami did and the no franchise clause and any negotiation that may have occured prior to playing his lame duck year and details about how the final year played out. Things like Bill's attempts to get him WRs like Harry and Brown, and Sanu. Why they failed and Bradys comments about miserable 8-0. They basically rewrote the story like Brady left after 18 and was never playing for Bill again except he played a whole season. And covered nothing about how Krafts jealousy of Brady getting 7 without him, Cam, Mac, Matty P, and 4-13 would lead to his actual firing.
I don't know how it was "overanalyzing" what happened in Cleveland. They made a direct parallel between Bill pulling the plug on Kosar and Bill pulling the plug on Drew. It was pretty much a dead on, one for one, comparison. Franchise QB beloved by fans, Bill, the new coach, comes in and benches him after a down year in favor of a guy he handpicked. It was also only about 10 minutes of one episode and I am not sure if Bill's time in Cleveland was ever mentioned outside of that.

By the third episode it was made pretty clear this wasn't a documentary for Patriots fans. It was a documentary for NFL fans who likely didn't know the depth and detail of the run. I don't know why you're mad at the media. They pulled clips from a documentary. Not sure what else they're supposed to do. There was definitely some sensationalism but it was made for entertainment and there was lots of drama throughout the run whether or not anyone wants to admit it. There were two major scandals (regardless of how ridiculous or overblown either/both of them were) and a star player on the team who was killing people in his spare time all while playing for the team. Those are incidents that transcended the team and the league as a whole and were leading nationwide nightly news programs. Even the drama down the stretch people want to know about. I, for one, knew things were rocky around 2017 and on but had no idea they were as bad as they were. Bill and Brady not speaking at all was a pretty big revelation as was Kraft stating he heard that the Butler benching was a personal issue between Butler and Bill. You can whistle past the graveyard all you want but there were some tidbits of information that highlight how dysfunctional things were at the end.

Not sure how the doc would cover Bill getting canned when the documentary was filmed and completed before it even happened. Yes it was clunky the way they portrayed it has Tom saying he wasn't going to re-sign here right after the 2018 Super Bowl only to re-sign and play a whole season and basically ignore that but the show was named "The Dynasty". Once Tom left it was over. You're already mad calling it a smear campaign but you really wanted to get into 4 years of Bill bungling his way to 0 playoff wins and going 10 games under .500?
 
By the third episode it was made pretty clear this wasn't a documentary for Patriots fans. It was a documentary for NFL fans who likely didn't know the depth and detail of the run. I
do you think a lot of non pats fans who have an nfl team they root for would watch 10 episodes about the pats? 2-3 maybe,especially if they knew how much dirty laundry there was. i have no issue with covering positives and negatives. but i still think this was made as kraft's love letter to himself.
 
One thing I know after this Dynasty series is we never had an idea of what was happening behind the scenes, we all had our opinions and most of us were wrong.
No, some of us did

We just got drowned when it made Belichick look bad or if sounded too dramatic to be true
 
do you think a lot of non pats fans who have an nfl team they root for would watch 10 episodes about the pats? 2-3 maybe,especially if they knew how much dirty laundry there was. i have no issue with covering positives and negatives. but i still think this was made as kraft's love letter to himself.
My view on it could be skewed because I have been a pretty big NFL nerd for most of my life but if the Chiefs are able to pull off a run even close to this one and there are major news stories thrown in I would watch it. I have been a Celtics fan since I was a kid but I always loved Michael Jordan and watched The Last Dance 2 or 3 times now. Once again I may be just a dork.
 
I'm critical of Bill, but the documentary omitting all of the positive statements is disgusting.

It's a total hit piece.

As I said before, the objective truth would still show Belichick's flaws and how he ended the dynasty, but this documentary is literally trying to paint Belichick as a bad person with very few redeemable traits.

That's just terrible
 
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I hate it because it ruins the I terrify of the whole project.

You can still craft a narrative without doing shady things like this. It would be probably be more positively received if you just laid out all the truth for everyone to form their own opinions.

As I've said before, Belichick ending the dynasty and his flaws would still be there anyway. But you end up ironically hurting your narrative, and also uust looking like a scumbag in general
 
It was an interesting series, and they obviously focused on the relationship between Bill, Brady, and Kraft.

When it comes to Bill, it’s almost like 2 different people are being looked at. In 3 episodes he comes off great, the 1st SB, the 08 season and the 2018 SB. When it comes to his treatment of Brady and the Butler benching, I have no problem with it. You had multiple players and the owner confirm what many had heard, the atmosphere in the building wasn’t good by 2016.

The one thing that I didn’t like is how they had the Globe reporter insinuate that Bill had some sort of responsibility with Hernandez. That was BS.
 
In the end, no one was happy playing for Bill from 2017 on.

*close thread, fade to black*
 
I don't know how it was "overanalyzing" what happened in Cleveland. They made a direct parallel between Bill pulling the plug on Kosar and Bill pulling the plug on Drew. It was pretty much a dead on, one for one, comparison. Franchise QB beloved by fans, Bill, the new coach, comes in and benches him after a down year in favor of a guy he handpicked. It was also only about 10 minutes of one episode and I am not sure if Bill's time in Cleveland was ever mentioned outside of that.

By the third episode it was made pretty clear this wasn't a documentary for Patriots fans. It was a documentary for NFL fans who likely didn't know the depth and detail of the run. I don't know why you're mad at the media. They pulled clips from a documentary. Not sure what else they're supposed to do. There was definitely some sensationalism but it was made for entertainment and there was lots of drama throughout the run whether or not anyone wants to admit it. There were two major scandals (regardless of how ridiculous or overblown either/both of them were) and a star player on the team who was killing people in his spare time all while playing for the team. Those are incidents that transcended the team and the league as a whole and were leading nationwide nightly news programs. Even the drama down the stretch people want to know about. I, for one, knew things were rocky around 2017 and on but had no idea they were as bad as they were. Bill and Brady not speaking at all was a pretty big revelation as was Kraft stating he heard that the Butler benching was a personal issue between Butler and Bill. You can whistle past the graveyard all you want but there were some tidbits of information that highlight how dysfunctional things were at the end.

Not sure how the doc would cover Bill getting canned when the documentary was filmed and completed before it even happened. Yes it was clunky the way they portrayed it has Tom saying he wasn't going to re-sign here right after the 2018 Super Bowl only to re-sign and play a whole season and basically ignore that but the show was named "The Dynasty". Once Tom left it was over. You're already mad calling it a smear campaign but you really wanted to get into 4 years of Bill bungling his way to 0 playoff wins and going 10 games under .500?
I meant the overanalyzing was occurring on our message board.

And yes I get that the Doc was done before the firing but that was one season they still skipped 19-22 and they could have spent some time and added 23. But I didn't mean to go as far as I did I was just referring to you stating BBs firing when I think you just meant the split.
 
In the end, no one was happy playing for Bill from 2017 on.

*close thread, fade to black*
That’s also an overstatement. We know Gronk and Brady weren’t. Edelman was, McCourty was, Slater was, and clearly many other players were happy to continue playing for BB.
 
I am sure he will cry himself to sleep at night when he reads this.
Why would he read this or care? We all have different levels of decorum. He’s a multimillionaire living his best life. Much respect. It’s a free country last time I checked, I’m still allowed an opinion. It seems as thou the Patriots brass weren’t too happy with his goofy stage act either.
 
Question: Why has Malcolm Butler stayed silent on the reason for benching even after retirement?
If BB did Malcolm wrong, I would think Malcolm would have spoken out about it after his Patriots career was over.
I suspect Malcom must be embarrassed by the issue and is it possible that BB is doing Malcolm a favor by staying silent on the issue?

Still very surprised that Kraft dissed Bill on "Dynasty" like he did

Butler LITERALLY says in the documentary "To this day, I have absolutely NO IDEA what the reason is". Exactly what, pray-tell, do you want him to speak out about?
 
Highest rated player on their board and they waited to the 6 th round? Sounds contrary to logic.
Talk to Pioli, he was there.
 
Why did McCourty, Gronk, and Rodney say what they said today?

Its funny how you've posted every tweet you can find about this series but then ignored these.
I replied to those tweets.

I missed the part where they denied saying what they said. Was it not true what they said?
 
Highest rated player on their board and they waited to the 6 th round? Sounds contrary to logic.
Don't worry give all the later over-drafts, they clearly learned their lesson *cough* Jordan Richards *cough*
 
Oof, those quotes from Grazer immediately put this already questionable project into the 'bias' bin. You DEFINITELY can't trust anything in this piece now. Talking the way he did about Kraft is absolutely unacceptable if he wants this to be taken seriously.
Not really. We all heard from Pioli, Ernie, McDaniels, Kraft, the players, etc. They all sounded very candid. I didn't see a gun on anyone's head. The series brought out stuff we didn't know about. Everyone here was perfectly happy not knowing what happened behind closed doors, as long as the team was winning. I appreciate everyone's candor. Bill was the only one holding back, which isn't surprising, given he was the one with the most to hide.
 
Media had an advanced look at all the episodes and told us things were going to be really bad when in reality there wasn't that much new but it had everyone over analyzing things like Bill's days in Cleveland because people thought they were setting things up.

In the end it was still sensational garbage focused on tabloid aspects rather than developing what actually drove the Dynasty in some cases they completely omitted key pieces (see Rodney and Corey). But the media looking for clicks played up to tabloid crap.

Lastly, I would say the series barely covered BB getting fired. Obviously the Brady decision was part of it but they didn't cover anything from 2019-present. They certainly showed the screw ups that lead to Tom deciding to leave. But they basically just went from us winning SB53 to Tom leaving. Skipped a lot of things that could of added context like the tampering Miami did and the no franchise clause and any negotiation that may have occured prior to playing his lame duck year and details about how the final year played out. Things like Bill's attempts to get him WRs like Harry and Brown, and Sanu. Why they failed and Bradys comments about miserable 8-0. They basically rewrote the story like Brady left after 18 and was never playing for Bill again except he played a whole season. And covered nothing about how Krafts jealousy of Brady getting 7 without him, Cam, Mac, Matty P, and 4-13 would lead to his actual firing.
It was based on the book that I believe covered the dynasty up to Brady's last season (2019). I haven't read the book so I could be wrong.
 


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