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Mandatory Mini Camp Practice- 6/16


I don't understand why people feel Jones Has to be the starter. I don't care who the starter is as long as who ever it is WINs What does it matter who the starter is be it Newton, Jones, or Stidam (Hoyer) doesn't count) as long as they perform and the team wins.
becauae we saw Cam last year and he stinks..dude can't throw
 
Good write up by Lazur on day 3...has been really impressed so far by Henry Anderson

Here are six more observations from the final day of minicamp, which was our last look at the team until training camp begins at the end of July:

1. QB Cam Newton Ends With Best Practice of Spring​

If there are bounce-back days in June, starting quarterback Cam Newton had one of those on Wednesday. Newton went 17-of-21 during team drills and had a much sharper overall process in terms of timing in the passing game. Newton’s accuracy was much better, too, as he consistently put the ball in catchable areas for his receivers, capping off the practice with two solid runs of 11-on-11s. The highlight throws came on a dig route against an out-leveraged defender to Jakobi Meyers and a deep wheel route to James White with Kyle Van Noy in coverage. After rookie quarterback Mac Jones’s strong first two days, it was Newton who was the best quarterback on the field on day three. From this vantage point, the competition in training camp between Newton and Jones will still be very real, but Newton remains the frontrunner to start in Week 1.

2. QB Mac Jones Noticeably Frustrated With Struggles on Day Three​

For the first time this spring, we saw noticeable frustration from the first-round pick on Wednesday. Jones completed just three of his final ten passes with an interception to Dee Virgin, but it was his mental struggles throughout that stood out. The Pats began implementing motion into their offensive structure on Wednesday. However, Jones had some issues setting the protection and making post-snap sight adjustments to his receivers’ routes right from the jump in walkthroughs. Towards the end of practice, Jones had a long conversation with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and center David Andrews about the protection breakdowns.

It wasn’t all bad for Jones, though, who opened team drills with a laser into a tight window during red-zone work to Kristian Wilkerson as Wilkerson ran down the back of the end zone. The touchdown had his teammates and coaches excited, including Newton. Jones also delivered a good ball to tryout receiver Devin Ross on a crossing route in 11s and threw a catchable go ball to Gunner Olszewski after reading the single coverage pre-snap that Olszewski dropped (it might’ve been DPI on D’Angelo Ross). On the one hand, nobody wants to hear that Jones struggled, but he seemed like his own harshest critic, which is what you want from your future starting QB.

3. QB Jarrett Stidham Gets More Reps Towards the End of Practice​

I’m not going to allow myself to buy any Stidham stock this offseason, but he did see an uptick in opportunities once Jones started to struggle and hasn’t looked bad in these practices. On Wednesday, he finished 10-of-14 with a strike to Ross on a “burst” corner route and pulled the string on a fade to give Kendrick Bourne a chance, but Justin Bethel put up enough resistance to prevent Bourne from adjusting to make the catch. Getting a read on Stidham is difficult. Outside of Hoyer, he’s arguably the most comfortable quarterback in the system heading into year three. But it’s also crystal clear that Newton and Jones are the Patriots’ guys, with Stidham as the #3.

4. DL Henry Andersons Looks Like a Classic Pats Signing​

Anderson is such a Patriots D-Lineman in his build, the way he moves, and his versatility to play up and down the line. He forced Jones to roll out of the pocket by softening the edge against Isaiah Wynn and turning the corner and fits in well as an early-down run defender. The veteran had a strong showing in spring practices, and if that continues, could start in New England’s base defense. The Patriots struggled to fill their weak side DE spot opposite of Lawrence Guy last season. Now, they might have filed that void with Anderson.

5. RB Rhamondre Stevenson Has a Ways to Go in Rookie Season​

Like any rookie, Stevenson is trying to stay afloat in these early days of his NFL career. But his lack of reps in team drills and an early yank by Ivan Fears in walkthroughs tell me that he’s still trying to figure things out. The only reason I’m bringing it up is that the Pats are reluctant to put rookie running backs on the field, to begin with, and Stevenson, like Damien Harris and J.J. Taylor, is in a similar spot. Of course, a lot can change between now and the start of the season. Plus, without pads and contact, these are mental reps for running backs, not live run-game drills. But it’s trending towards a slow buildup for Stevenson rather than an immediate role, especially with how good Brandon Bolden looks coming off his opt out.

6. Pats’ Outside CB Depth Remains Biggest Concern Heading into Summer​

With Stephon Gilmore’s ongoing holdout, the giant void opposite J.C. Jackson due to Gilmore’s absence is looming large. Jalen Mills had a nice day two and appears to be the next man up, but I remain committed to my opinion that Mills is best used as a swiss-army knife that moves around the secondary rather than a full-time outside corner. Behind Mills, the options are few and far between. Michael Jackson was okay but gives you pause as a regular contributor, while 2019 second-round pick Joejuan Williams needs to show us something in training camp, or he might be on the outside looking in. Even with Gilmore, Jason McCourty, who is now in Miami, played 65% of the snaps last year as the third corner. The Pats might have their #3 in Mills, but there’s not much depth behind him.
 
I feel like Bedard is the guy they roll out in Flint Michigan to tell the town the contaminated water was safe.
Or Trump brings in stage to say we need a wall and that the Virus is fake news.
Also this there is no global warming.
Tom Hardy Bait GIF
 
Good write up by Lazur on day 3...has been really impressed so far by Henry Anderson

Here are six more observations from the final day of minicamp, which was our last look at the team until training camp begins at the end of July:

1. QB Cam Newton Ends With Best Practice of Spring​

If there are bounce-back days in June, starting quarterback Cam Newton had one of those on Wednesday. Newton went 17-of-21 during team drills and had a much sharper overall process in terms of timing in the passing game. Newton’s accuracy was much better, too, as he consistently put the ball in catchable areas for his receivers, capping off the practice with two solid runs of 11-on-11s. The highlight throws came on a dig route against an out-leveraged defender to Jakobi Meyers and a deep wheel route to James White with Kyle Van Noy in coverage. After rookie quarterback Mac Jones’s strong first two days, it was Newton who was the best quarterback on the field on day three. From this vantage point, the competition in training camp between Newton and Jones will still be very real, but Newton remains the frontrunner to start in Week 1.

2. QB Mac Jones Noticeably Frustrated With Struggles on Day Three​

For the first time this spring, we saw noticeable frustration from the first-round pick on Wednesday. Jones completed just three of his final ten passes with an interception to Dee Virgin, but it was his mental struggles throughout that stood out. The Pats began implementing motion into their offensive structure on Wednesday. However, Jones had some issues setting the protection and making post-snap sight adjustments to his receivers’ routes right from the jump in walkthroughs. Towards the end of practice, Jones had a long conversation with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and center David Andrews about the protection breakdowns.

It wasn’t all bad for Jones, though, who opened team drills with a laser into a tight window during red-zone work to Kristian Wilkerson as Wilkerson ran down the back of the end zone. The touchdown had his teammates and coaches excited, including Newton. Jones also delivered a good ball to tryout receiver Devin Ross on a crossing route in 11s and threw a catchable go ball to Gunner Olszewski after reading the single coverage pre-snap that Olszewski dropped (it might’ve been DPI on D’Angelo Ross). On the one hand, nobody wants to hear that Jones struggled, but he seemed like his own harshest critic, which is what you want from your future starting QB.

3. QB Jarrett Stidham Gets More Reps Towards the End of Practice​

I’m not going to allow myself to buy any Stidham stock this offseason, but he did see an uptick in opportunities once Jones started to struggle and hasn’t looked bad in these practices. On Wednesday, he finished 10-of-14 with a strike to Ross on a “burst” corner route and pulled the string on a fade to give Kendrick Bourne a chance, but Justin Bethel put up enough resistance to prevent Bourne from adjusting to make the catch. Getting a read on Stidham is difficult. Outside of Hoyer, he’s arguably the most comfortable quarterback in the system heading into year three. But it’s also crystal clear that Newton and Jones are the Patriots’ guys, with Stidham as the #3.

4. DL Henry Andersons Looks Like a Classic Pats Signing​

Anderson is such a Patriots D-Lineman in his build, the way he moves, and his versatility to play up and down the line. He forced Jones to roll out of the pocket by softening the edge against Isaiah Wynn and turning the corner and fits in well as an early-down run defender. The veteran had a strong showing in spring practices, and if that continues, could start in New England’s base defense. The Patriots struggled to fill their weak side DE spot opposite of Lawrence Guy last season. Now, they might have filed that void with Anderson.

5. RB Rhamondre Stevenson Has a Ways to Go in Rookie Season​

Like any rookie, Stevenson is trying to stay afloat in these early days of his NFL career. But his lack of reps in team drills and an early yank by Ivan Fears in walkthroughs tell me that he’s still trying to figure things out. The only reason I’m bringing it up is that the Pats are reluctant to put rookie running backs on the field, to begin with, and Stevenson, like Damien Harris and J.J. Taylor, is in a similar spot. Of course, a lot can change between now and the start of the season. Plus, without pads and contact, these are mental reps for running backs, not live run-game drills. But it’s trending towards a slow buildup for Stevenson rather than an immediate role, especially with how good Brandon Bolden looks coming off his opt out.

6. Pats’ Outside CB Depth Remains Biggest Concern Heading into Summer​

With Stephon Gilmore’s ongoing holdout, the giant void opposite J.C. Jackson due to Gilmore’s absence is looming large. Jalen Mills had a nice day two and appears to be the next man up, but I remain committed to my opinion that Mills is best used as a swiss-army knife that moves around the secondary rather than a full-time outside corner. Behind Mills, the options are few and far between. Michael Jackson was okay but gives you pause as a regular contributor, while 2019 second-round pick Joejuan Williams needs to show us something in training camp, or he might be on the outside looking in. Even with Gilmore, Jason McCourty, who is now in Miami, played 65% of the snaps last year as the third corner. The Pats might have their #3 in Mills, but there’s not much depth behind him.
A number of the beat-writers reported several of the rooks had challenging days.

Seems to be BB and the coaches made things a bit complicated for them yesterday.

The parting message was, 'Enjoy the summer, rookie. You have a loooooong way to go".
 
Good write up by Lazur on day 3...has been really impressed so far by Henry Anderson

Here are six more observations from the final day of minicamp, which was our last look at the team until training camp begins at the end of July:

1. QB Cam Newton Ends With Best Practice of Spring​

If there are bounce-back days in June, starting quarterback Cam Newton had one of those on Wednesday. Newton went 17-of-21 during team drills and had a much sharper overall process in terms of timing in the passing game. Newton’s accuracy was much better, too, as he consistently put the ball in catchable areas for his receivers, capping off the practice with two solid runs of 11-on-11s. The highlight throws came on a dig route against an out-leveraged defender to Jakobi Meyers and a deep wheel route to James White with Kyle Van Noy in coverage. After rookie quarterback Mac Jones’s strong first two days, it was Newton who was the best quarterback on the field on day three. From this vantage point, the competition in training camp between Newton and Jones will still be very real, but Newton remains the frontrunner to start in Week 1.

2. QB Mac Jones Noticeably Frustrated With Struggles on Day Three​

For the first time this spring, we saw noticeable frustration from the first-round pick on Wednesday. Jones completed just three of his final ten passes with an interception to Dee Virgin, but it was his mental struggles throughout that stood out. The Pats began implementing motion into their offensive structure on Wednesday. However, Jones had some issues setting the protection and making post-snap sight adjustments to his receivers’ routes right from the jump in walkthroughs. Towards the end of practice, Jones had a long conversation with offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and center David Andrews about the protection breakdowns.

It wasn’t all bad for Jones, though, who opened team drills with a laser into a tight window during red-zone work to Kristian Wilkerson as Wilkerson ran down the back of the end zone. The touchdown had his teammates and coaches excited, including Newton. Jones also delivered a good ball to tryout receiver Devin Ross on a crossing route in 11s and threw a catchable go ball to Gunner Olszewski after reading the single coverage pre-snap that Olszewski dropped (it might’ve been DPI on D’Angelo Ross). On the one hand, nobody wants to hear that Jones struggled, but he seemed like his own harshest critic, which is what you want from your future starting QB.

3. QB Jarrett Stidham Gets More Reps Towards the End of Practice​

I’m not going to allow myself to buy any Stidham stock this offseason, but he did see an uptick in opportunities once Jones started to struggle and hasn’t looked bad in these practices. On Wednesday, he finished 10-of-14 with a strike to Ross on a “burst” corner route and pulled the string on a fade to give Kendrick Bourne a chance, but Justin Bethel put up enough resistance to prevent Bourne from adjusting to make the catch. Getting a read on Stidham is difficult. Outside of Hoyer, he’s arguably the most comfortable quarterback in the system heading into year three. But it’s also crystal clear that Newton and Jones are the Patriots’ guys, with Stidham as the #3.

4. DL Henry Andersons Looks Like a Classic Pats Signing​

Anderson is such a Patriots D-Lineman in his build, the way he moves, and his versatility to play up and down the line. He forced Jones to roll out of the pocket by softening the edge against Isaiah Wynn and turning the corner and fits in well as an early-down run defender. The veteran had a strong showing in spring practices, and if that continues, could start in New England’s base defense. The Patriots struggled to fill their weak side DE spot opposite of Lawrence Guy last season. Now, they might have filed that void with Anderson.

5. RB Rhamondre Stevenson Has a Ways to Go in Rookie Season​

Like any rookie, Stevenson is trying to stay afloat in these early days of his NFL career. But his lack of reps in team drills and an early yank by Ivan Fears in walkthroughs tell me that he’s still trying to figure things out. The only reason I’m bringing it up is that the Pats are reluctant to put rookie running backs on the field, to begin with, and Stevenson, like Damien Harris and J.J. Taylor, is in a similar spot. Of course, a lot can change between now and the start of the season. Plus, without pads and contact, these are mental reps for running backs, not live run-game drills. But it’s trending towards a slow buildup for Stevenson rather than an immediate role, especially with how good Brandon Bolden looks coming off his opt out.

6. Pats’ Outside CB Depth Remains Biggest Concern Heading into Summer​

With Stephon Gilmore’s ongoing holdout, the giant void opposite J.C. Jackson due to Gilmore’s absence is looming large. Jalen Mills had a nice day two and appears to be the next man up, but I remain committed to my opinion that Mills is best used as a swiss-army knife that moves around the secondary rather than a full-time outside corner. Behind Mills, the options are few and far between. Michael Jackson was okay but gives you pause as a regular contributor, while 2019 second-round pick Joejuan Williams needs to show us something in training camp, or he might be on the outside looking in. Even with Gilmore, Jason McCourty, who is now in Miami, played 65% of the snaps last year as the third corner. The Pats might have their #3 in Mills, but there’s not much depth behind him.
Why didn’t he mention Jon Jones regarding CB depth?

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It looks like he's specifically talking about outside cb depth with the thought of Jones talking significant snaps at slot.
Could be but I think he should be part of the conversation...especially with the success he’s had covering guys like T. Hill. I mean he’s also talking about JoeJuan and Mills.
 
Could be but I think he should be part of the conversation...especially with the success he’s had covering guys like T. Hill. I mean he’s also talking about JoeJuan and Mills.
JJones is one of the absolute best slot cbs in the nfl. So youd hate to weaken that position by putting him outside.
I think hed be very capable outside. Sure as hell has the speed and the toughness which should overcome his height.
But it shows just how valuable Gilmore is.
You dont win DPY for nothing.
Subtract Gilmore and the Pats go from one of the best secondaries to middle of the pack. Gilmore remains the best player on the team period.
 
JJones is one of the absolute best slot cbs in the nfl. So youd hate to weaken that position by putting him outside.
I think hed be very capable outside. Sure as hell has the speed and the toughness which should overcome his height.
But it shows just how valuable Gilmore is.
You dont win DPY for nothing.
Subtract Gilmore and the Pats go from one of the best secondaries to middle of the pack. Gilmore remains the best player on the team period.

Agree. They aren't going to weaken two positions by moving Jones outside, where he is inexperienced and small, and then putting someone else in his slot, who would be relatively inexperienced as well.
 
Agree. They aren't going to weaken two positions by moving Jones outside, where he is inexperienced and small, and then putting someone else in his slot, who would be relatively inexperienced as well.
Agreed. I don’t recall anyone suggesting that either.
 
Jones has to at least be serviceable.
I'm not one who believes that Jones needs to be the starter in week one. In fact, I'm on record as being in favor of not having Jones start until after the Bucs game. But those who do believe that Jones needs to be the week one starter have good reason to do so. The idea that it's an insane position is, itself, an insane position.

And it's not about Jones. It's about Newton/Stidham/Hoyer and the black hole at QB in 2020.
 
It is traditional not to mention starters as part of a team's depth.
The article mentions JC Jackson and Gilmore but not Jon Jones.

 

6. Pats’ Outside CB Depth Remains Biggest Concern Heading into Summer​

With Stephon Gilmore’s ongoing holdout, the giant void opposite J.C. Jackson due to Gilmore’s absence is looming large. Jalen Mills had a nice day two and appears to be the next man up, but I remain committed to my opinion that Mills is best used as a swiss-army knife that moves around the secondary rather than a full-time outside corner. Behind Mills, the options are few and far between. Michael Jackson was okay but gives you pause as a regular contributor, while 2019 second-round pick Joejuan Williams needs to show us something in training camp, or he might be on the outside looking in. Even with Gilmore, Jason McCourty, who is now in Miami, played 65% of the snaps last year as the third corner. The Pats might have their #3 in Mills, but there’s not much depth behind him.

Yep...Some of us have been discussing the near-total lack of quality depth at supposed positions of strength, including CB...Even one injury - or a 10-week holdout - to one of our Outside starters and we'll be sailing into uncharted waters, to put it kindly...

And operating a 3-man DL without a legit NT still looks like a questionable way to address the run defense.
 

That's WAY too optimistic an outlook, because he gave a Best-case situation for each of the players mentioned, and that ain't happening, especially from those still on their rookie contract who haven't proven a damn thing except that they all have possible fatal flaws in their games.
 
That's WAY too optimistic an outlook, because he gave a Best-case situation for each of the players mentioned, and that ain't happening, especially from those still on their rookie contract who haven't proven a damn thing except that they all have possible fatal flaws in their games.
Daniels tends to live in the clouds sometimes.

Aside from Judon there are no proven full-time pass-rushers.

It has nice potential. He should leave it at that.
 


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