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Mandatory Mini Camp Practice- 6/16


That's WAY too optimistic an outlook, because he gave a Best-case situation for each of the players mentioned, and that ain't happening, especially from those still on their rookie contract who haven't proven a damn thing except that they all have possible fatal flaws in their games.
Eh..actually it’s not too far-fetched to be honest. The 3 main guys that will augment the rush schemes in terms of the front seven are Hightower, KVN & Judon. ALL of these guys are proven/excellent players. The fat guys (Guy, Anderson, Godchaux, Barmore etc..) will (should) hold up against the run, as they are all (TBD with Barmore) excellent run defenders (this has been proven). I’m sure they’ll provide some decent interior pressure as well. Barmore’s growth will be key here. In result, this will allow the entire defense to disguise, communicate & fly around as they did in 2019. The return of key veteran players, improvement of younger players (Uche, Wino, Dugger, Barmore, Perk, Jennings etc..) leadership & improved run defense will definitely uplift the unit as a whole. Not sure if they’ll be elite or not, but the pieces are there. Remember, it’s about the sum of the parts; not the individual talent on the team.
 
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Hoyer making the slow transition to QB coach?
As long as he can get an NFL player contract, even with another team, why would he give that up for a comparatively low salary coaching position?
 
  1. They watched Cam play last year.
  2. They realize that Stidham couldn't beat out Cam last year.


I hope that helps you to understand.
Pre and post COVID Cam. Was there really a difference, and if so, which one shows up for 2021?
 
Yep...Some of us have been discussing the near-total lack of quality depth at supposed positions of strength, including CB...Even one injury - or a 10-week holdout - to one of our Outside starters and we'll be sailing into uncharted waters, to put it kindly...

And operating a 3-man DL without a legit NT still looks like a questionable way to address the run defense.
It's not the lack of a NT that killed the team in run defense last year. It was having only one run defender across the entire front seven (Guy). They were weak both interior and edge - in fact their best run defenders were the secondary.

They addressed that in multiple ways as has been stated myriad times by many here. In today's base defenses, a NT has to not only be a run stuffer but also be able to get pressure because of the 3 WR and/or 2 pass catching TE sets - how many of those can be gotten ANY year much less this one? They weren't drafting one this year (maybe a 1 down guy NT was available, but that's a waste of a roster spot these days).
 
No difference

Yes, contrary to common belief Covid does not cause you to lose control of your footwork and ability to throw a football that leaves your hand in a spiral.

It’s really pretty simple. If Cam came back from Covid and looked like Super Bowl McNabb, getting winded and physically ill by the pace of the offense over a game I’d 100% believe that Covid was to blame. That’s not what happened. He cannot throw the freaking football.
 
Yes, contrary to common belief Covid does not cause you to lose control of your footwork and ability to throw a football that leaves your hand in a spiral.

It’s really pretty simple. If Cam came back from Covid and looked like Super Bowl McNabb, getting winded and physically ill by the pace of the offense over a game I’d 100% believe that Covid was to blame. That’s not what happened. He cannot throw the freaking football.
I’m aware of that. I was simply saying he sucked pre/post Covid. Covid didn’t change that specific fact. The first 3-4 games don’t really mean much because teams weren’t familiar with how we were running our offense; hell, we weren’t even familiar with our offense yet. After about week 5-6, teams caught up & well, you know the rest..Also, that Seattle defense was historically trash until Dunlap arrived.
 
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Yes, contrary to common belief Covid does not cause you to lose control of your footwork and ability to throw a football that leaves your hand in a spiral.

It’s really pretty simple. If Cam came back from Covid and looked like Super Bowl McNabb, getting winded and physically ill by the pace of the offense over a game I’d 100% believe that Covid was to blame. That’s not what happened. He cannot throw the freaking football.
That is an over simplification IMHO. The long term effects of COVID on professional athletes is varied and ranges from: “developing brain fog, vertigo, debilitating fatigue, and difficulty breathing”, see:EffectsOfCOVIDOnAthletes
For guys like Jayson Tatum, it was fatigue and difficulty breathing, as you said. But other pro athletes like in baseball had significant performance and coordination decrease and difficulty concentrating. Actually, Tatum's performance suffered also apart from being winded. Who knows what the effects were on Cam? Not I.
 
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I’m aware of that. I was simply saying he sucked pre/post Covid. Covid didn’t change that specific fact. The first 3-4 games don’t really mean much because teams weren’t familiar with how we were running our offense; hell, we weren’t even familiar with our offense yet. After about week 5-6, teams caught up & well, you know the rest..

I was agreeing with you.
 
That is an over simplification IMHO. The long term effects of COVID on professional athletes is varied and ranges from: “developing brain fog, vertigo, debilitating fatigue, and difficulty breathing”, see:EffectsOfCOVIDOnAthletes
For guys like Jayson Tatum, it was fatigue and difficulty breathing, as you said. But other pro athletes like in baseball had significant performance and coordination decrease and difficulty concentrating. Who knows what the effects were on Cam? Not I.

First of all he sucked before Covid. But hypothetically if he is now still ruined by Covid nearly a year later well that sucks, time to retire then because I don’t want to watch you sh.it up a football field for my team.
 
Interesting read by Zack Cox regarding the biggest "winners" and "losers" from minicamp.


WINNERS
QB Mac Jones
Jones versus Cam Newton. Coming to a training camp field near you.

The rookie’s performance and workload in organized team activities and minicamp set the stage for what should be a legitimate quarterback competition this summer. Newton led off every competitive drill throughout the spring, but Jones actually logged more minicamp reps than the incumbent starter, attempting 65 passes in 7-on-7s and 11-on-11s to Newton’s 58. (Both dwarfed the rep counts of Jarrett Stidham and Brian Hoyer.)

It wasn’t all positive for Jones, who finished practice poorly on both Tuesday (interceptions on two of his final three passes) and Wednesday (3 for his last 10, INT on his final throw). As Jones said himself, he still has plenty of learning to do. Newton, who enjoyed his best performance of minicamp Wednesday, still will enter training camp as the favorite to keep his starting spot.

But Jones’ odds of winning that job certainly increased this week.

LB Josh Uche
Now would be a good time to buy Uche stock. Injuries limited the 2020 second-round draft pick to nine games last season, but he appears poised to play a major role in Year 2. He was a pass-rushing dynamo this spring, routinely slicing his way into the Patriots’ backfield. The combo of Uche, Matt Judon, Kyle Van Noy and Dont’a Hightower could give opposing offensive lines serious problems on passing downs.

LB Dont’a Hightower
There were questions about Hightower’s physical readiness after he opted out of the 2020 season, but he was a full and active participant in all three minicamp practices, reintegrating seamlessly into New England’s defense. We’ll see how he looks once the pads come on, but we didn’t see any rust from the Patriots co-captain this week. Hightower, who appears to have slimmed down during his time away, victimized Jones with an acrobatic interception late in Tuesday’s practice.


WR Jakobi Meyers
Overshadowed by the offseason additions of Nelson Agholor and Kendrick Bourne, Meyers was the Patriots’ best receiver in OTAs and minicamp, and it wasn’t particularly close. The third-year pro looks poised to build on a strong 2020 campaign that saw him rank in the top 15 among NFL wideouts in catches, receiving yards and yards per route run over the final 11 weeks.

DB Jalen Mills
Mills can play any position in the secondary, and he saw a lot of action at cornerback this week with Stephon Gilmore holding out of minicamp for a new contract. The veteran newcomer currently looks like the top backup there behind Gilmore and J.C. Jackson. Gilmore’s teammates sounded confident the star corner will be back before the start of the season, but Mills is the type of versatile player who should be able to help the team in multiple ways. He was one of the top performers in Tuesday’s practice, breaking up one pass and nearly intercepting two others. Head coach Bill Belichick said the former Philadelphia Eagle has been “great” so far.

Patriots defensive line
You can’t draw many conclusions about trench play from unpadded practices, but the Patriots suddenly have an impressively deep D-line. With depth players like Montravius Adams and Akeem Spence standing out in minicamp, the competition for the final few roster spots here should be fierce.

LOSERS
TE Jonnu Smith
We expect Smith to play a major role in the Patriots’ offense, but this was an inauspicious spring for the high-priced tight end. He skipped voluntary OTAs, then suffered an apparent hamstring injury midway through the first minicamp practice and wasn’t able to participate in the final two. It would have been nice to get an early look at what New England’s offense will look like with Smith and Hunter Henry on the field together, but that will have to wait until training camp.

TE Dalton Keene
The Patriots’ decision to sign both Smith and Henry put their 2020 third-round tight ends on notice, and Keene appears to be lagging behind draftmate Devin Asiasi. The Virginia Tech product spent time on the rehab field in all three minicamp practices and didn’t stand out in competitive team drills. If the Patriots choose to carry just one of the rising NFL sophomores on their 53-man roster, we’d give the edge to Asiasi, who saw significant reps with the offensive starters this spring.

WR N’Keal Harry
After turning in a solid performance on Day 1 of minicamp, Harry caught just one pass in team drills Tuesday and two Wednesday. The 2019 first-rounder is no higher than fourth in the Patriots’ receiver hierarchy (behind Meyers, Agholor and Bourne) and could be pushed off the roster this summer by a player like Isaiah Zuber, Tre Nixon or Kristian Wilkerson.

OLB Chase Winovich
With so much depth on the edge following the offseason additions of Judon and Van Noy, snaps could be hard to come by for Winovich, another recent high draft pick (third round, 2019). It didn’t help that he missed all three minicamp practices for undisclosed reasons. Winovich is expected back in time for training camp, but he’ll have a lot of ground to make up.
 
WR N’Keal Harry
After turning in a solid performance on Day 1 of minicamp, Harry caught just one pass in team drills Tuesday and two Wednesday. The 2019 first-rounder is no higher than fourth in the Patriots’ receiver hierarchy (behind Meyers, Agholor and Bourne) and could be pushed off the roster this summer by a player like Isaiah Zuber, Tre Nixon or Kristian Wilkerson.

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Interesting read by Zack Cox regarding the biggest "winners" and "losers" from minicamp.


WINNERS
QB Mac Jones
Jones versus Cam Newton. Coming to a training camp field near you.

The rookie’s performance and workload in organized team activities and minicamp set the stage for what should be a legitimate quarterback competition this summer. Newton led off every competitive drill throughout the spring, but Jones actually logged more minicamp reps than the incumbent starter, attempting 65 passes in 7-on-7s and 11-on-11s to Newton’s 58. (Both dwarfed the rep counts of Jarrett Stidham and Brian Hoyer.)

It wasn’t all positive for Jones, who finished practice poorly on both Tuesday (interceptions on two of his final three passes) and Wednesday (3 for his last 10, INT on his final throw). As Jones said himself, he still has plenty of learning to do. Newton, who enjoyed his best performance of minicamp Wednesday, still will enter training camp as the favorite to keep his starting spot.

But Jones’ odds of winning that job certainly increased this week.

LB Josh Uche
Now would be a good time to buy Uche stock. Injuries limited the 2020 second-round draft pick to nine games last season, but he appears poised to play a major role in Year 2. He was a pass-rushing dynamo this spring, routinely slicing his way into the Patriots’ backfield. The combo of Uche, Matt Judon, Kyle Van Noy and Dont’a Hightower could give opposing offensive lines serious problems on passing downs.

LB Dont’a Hightower
There were questions about Hightower’s physical readiness after he opted out of the 2020 season, but he was a full and active participant in all three minicamp practices, reintegrating seamlessly into New England’s defense. We’ll see how he looks once the pads come on, but we didn’t see any rust from the Patriots co-captain this week. Hightower, who appears to have slimmed down during his time away, victimized Jones with an acrobatic interception late in Tuesday’s practice.


WR Jakobi Meyers
Overshadowed by the offseason additions of Nelson Agholor and Kendrick Bourne, Meyers was the Patriots’ best receiver in OTAs and minicamp, and it wasn’t particularly close. The third-year pro looks poised to build on a strong 2020 campaign that saw him rank in the top 15 among NFL wideouts in catches, receiving yards and yards per route run over the final 11 weeks.

DB Jalen Mills
Mills can play any position in the secondary, and he saw a lot of action at cornerback this week with Stephon Gilmore holding out of minicamp for a new contract. The veteran newcomer currently looks like the top backup there behind Gilmore and J.C. Jackson. Gilmore’s teammates sounded confident the star corner will be back before the start of the season, but Mills is the type of versatile player who should be able to help the team in multiple ways. He was one of the top performers in Tuesday’s practice, breaking up one pass and nearly intercepting two others. Head coach Bill Belichick said the former Philadelphia Eagle has been “great” so far.

Patriots defensive line
You can’t draw many conclusions about trench play from unpadded practices, but the Patriots suddenly have an impressively deep D-line. With depth players like Montravius Adams and Akeem Spence standing out in minicamp, the competition for the final few roster spots here should be fierce.

LOSERS
TE Jonnu Smith
We expect Smith to play a major role in the Patriots’ offense, but this was an inauspicious spring for the high-priced tight end. He skipped voluntary OTAs, then suffered an apparent hamstring injury midway through the first minicamp practice and wasn’t able to participate in the final two. It would have been nice to get an early look at what New England’s offense will look like with Smith and Hunter Henry on the field together, but that will have to wait until training camp.

TE Dalton Keene
The Patriots’ decision to sign both Smith and Henry put their 2020 third-round tight ends on notice, and Keene appears to be lagging behind draftmate Devin Asiasi. The Virginia Tech product spent time on the rehab field in all three minicamp practices and didn’t stand out in competitive team drills. If the Patriots choose to carry just one of the rising NFL sophomores on their 53-man roster, we’d give the edge to Asiasi, who saw significant reps with the offensive starters this spring.

WR N’Keal Harry
After turning in a solid performance on Day 1 of minicamp, Harry caught just one pass in team drills Tuesday and two Wednesday. The 2019 first-rounder is no higher than fourth in the Patriots’ receiver hierarchy (behind Meyers, Agholor and Bourne) and could be pushed off the roster this summer by a player like Isaiah Zuber, Tre Nixon or Kristian Wilkerson.

OLB Chase Winovich
With so much depth on the edge following the offseason additions of Judon and Van Noy, snaps could be hard to come by for Winovich, another recent high draft pick (third round, 2019). It didn’t help that he missed all three minicamp practices for undisclosed reasons. Winovich is expected back in time for training camp, but he’ll have a lot of ground to make up.
I would be shocked if Harry had a good TC.
 
As long as he can get an NFL player contract, even with another team, why would he give that up for a comparatively low salary coaching position?

Because no other team will want him?
 
Jonathan Jones being injured and not playing in Super Bowl 52 was undoubtedly almost as big a loss as sitting Butler but everyone forgets that.

It also makes the decision to sit Butler crazier.

Yep, thanks to GeeNo Gruesome whiffing on an easy sack of Mariota, who then chucks it in the direction of Jones' coverage...
 
Slight difference: Pre-Wu Cam at least had the Dolphins & Seattle game on which to hang his hat; post-Wu Cam was simply full bad full time...
At face value; yes, but in reality…no. He sucked pre/post Covid. Covid didn’t change that specific fact. The first 3-4 games don’t really mean much because teams weren’t familiar with how we were running our offense; hell, we weren’t even familiar with our offense yet. After about week 5-6, teams caught up & well, you know the rest..Also, that Seattle defense was historically turrrible until Dunlap arrived.
 
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Good points from everyone on CB depth, it's certainly a concern right now. Having said that, hopefully a significant performance jump up front and in the middle of the defense can help them get away with that.
 


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