[Pre-Draft Thread] NFL Draft 2020 - NE Edition

fightingirish595 said:

Brian Kelly sucks at utilizing tight ends just saying

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Most colleges do. I'd only go TE if one is special Rd1 if one has special potential. Sucks it's such a need. I'd target Trautman or Kmet in the 2nd if possible. If not I'm taking my chances in Rd 3 when the balance of power shifts to us. This is why I think a trade back is probably more likely than an actual pick. Get into the 2nd and balance shifts earlier.

So what are your predictions on who the Pats will take tonight?

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Most colleges do. I'd only go TE if one is special Rd1 if one has special potential. Sucks it's such a need. I'd target Trautman or Kmet in the 2nd if possible. If not I'm taking my chances in Rd 3 when the balance of power shifts to us. This is why I think a trade back is probably more likely than an actual pick. Get into the 2nd and balance shifts earlier.

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Agreed. This TE crop is a dumpster fire, but it’s too big of a need to ignore this year. Most of the decent ones don’t really fit with the preferred scheme either. I really believe Claypool could turn out to be the best TE in this draft, and it’s not a guarantee that he’s being converted by anyone.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

Most colleges do. I'd only go TE if one is special Rd1 if one has special potential. Sucks it's such a need. I'd target Trautman or Kmet in the 2nd if possible. If not I'm taking my chances in Rd 3 when the balance of power shifts to us. This is why I think a trade back is probably more likely than an actual pick. Get into the 2nd and balance shifts earlier.

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I wouldn't take kmet in the first either. Thoughts on Cameron Dantzler? Not sure he really fits here but the measurables vs the tape are complete polar opposites. Watched all of his snaps vs bama 2018, didnt see him thrown at very often. saw Tua look in his direction and then look elsewhere a handful of times

Because of course he did.

I think they trade out into 2nd round and with the return look for an Edge like Terrell Lewis or Julian Okwara along with Kmet. I think if they trade up it would be for someone like Kinlaw. If they stay put one of this group (who ever is there) Gross-Matos, Chassion, Davidson, Blacklock or Murray. this is what I would like, so it wont happen. I don't see wide receiver (last year). I don't see Oline, has two back from injury drafted last year along with Andrews back. No TE appears worthy of the 23rd pick. QB I think he sees what he has in Stidham before he spends a 1st round pick. Because I am always 100% wrong when it comes to Bill Belichick drafts...the pick will be RB D'andre Swift to take the heat off his young QB

TheRainMaker said:

So what are your predictions on who the Pats will take tonight?

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The only thing I'll predict is the usual load of angry "who in the hell is that and why in hell did we draft him??" posts.

whybob said:

I think they trade out into 2nd round and with the return look for an Edge like Terrell Lewis or Julian Okwara along with Kmet. I think if they trade up it would be for someone like Kinlaw. If they stay put one of this group (who ever is there) Gross-Matos, Chassion, Davidson, Blacklock or Murray. this is what I would like, so it wont happen. I don't see wide receiver (last year). I don't see Oline, has two back from injury drafted last year along with Andrews back. No TE appears worthy of the 23rd pick. QB I think he sees what he has in Stidham before he spends a 1st round pick. Because I am always 100% wrong when it comes to Bill Belichick drafts...the pick will be RB D'andre Swift to take the heat off his young QB

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I think we've found Peter Schrager's patsfans account.

fightingirish595 said:

I wouldn't take kmet in the first either. Thoughts on Cameron Dantzler? Not sure he really fits here but the measurables vs the tape are complete polar opposites. Watched all of his snaps vs bama 2018, didnt see him thrown at very often. saw Tua look in his direction and then look elsewhere a handful of times

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He's big and blanketed some really good receivers. He's probably not Richard Sherman but he's got a similar profile. Not too worried about the combine stuff. He's my favorite value at corner, and one of the few I wouldn't mind the Patriots taking even though it's a position of strength. He's really good. Ignore the 4.6 40.

Ross12 said:

I didn't see any others when I posted - I dug a little deeper and saw several people saying "What do you mean Dob?" and he was mostly responding with "I think it's clear" etc.

I thought he looked pretty good year 1 but as you said, injuries. He had a better year 1 than Harry. But - again - injuries.

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There was a point in his rookie year where it looked like Dobson was turning the corner and could become a legitimate contributor but his injury just ruined it and he never regained the confidence he was starting to build.

ctpatsfan77 said:

Because of course he did.

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He's like Uncle Rico from Napolean Dynamite. Except he's actually smart and crushed the Wonderlic Test.

Tee higgins just doesn’t look like a first round pick to me

fightingirish595 said:

I wouldn't take kmet in the first either. Thoughts on Cameron Dantzler? Not sure he really fits here but the measurables vs the tape are complete polar opposites. Watched all of his snaps vs bama 2018, didnt see him thrown at very often. saw Tua look in his direction and then look elsewhere a handful of times

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Like him more than my scale. He's a dog. He'll make you throw a flag every play. He definitely plays faster than what that 40 showed. I hate the 1 & done approach there. Wish the drills were set up different. Maybe guys could have 2 shots at it.

Anyway he's pretty good in press and likes to put his hands on you everywhere lol. After the play. Could serve big in certain down/distance. Red zone. Gets long, whole body becomes an obstacle in press but not consistent enough. Play strength isn't there to consistently reroute/impede a WR stem.
I actually like him sitting and playing the QB almost just as much. Again I think he plays fast, doesn't mess around getting to his spots.
Competes for every ball.

Posted 2 consistent years against some of the best comp.

Has to get stronger. Think it hurts his tackling as well.

Think he'd find success in a C3 type system.

primetime said:

He's big and blanketed some really good receivers. He's probably not Richard Sherman but he's got a similar profile. Not too worried about the combine stuff. He's my favorite value at corner, and one of the few I wouldn't mind the Patriots taking even though it's a position of strength. He's really good. Ignore the 4.6 40.

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And that's exactly how I think he'll find success. C3, cloud defender. He's already familiar.

Bill Belichick is one of the most fascinating human beings on the planet to watch and interpret because he NEVER shows his cards.

But here are some things I believe about the man of mystery.

1. He's been thinking seriously about Tom Brady's replacement for the last 5 years, to the point of being prepared to trade Tom in order to replace him with Jimmy G., and was only prevented by the Krafts.

2. He knew that Tom would almost certainly leave this year, given the behind-the-scenes activity.

3. He was prepared to go all-in on Baker Mayfield in 2018. He shopped Gronk to the Lions, at least in part because he wanted the draft capital to move up. Rumours came out from the Giants that they might make a blockbuster trade even after Gronk vetoed the Detroit move. As it turned out, Cleveland took Mayfield with the first pick and the Pats didn't draft a quarterback until Danny Etling in the 7th round -- a wasted year, from the point of view of the quarterback replacement search.

4. He didn't draft Stidham last year believing that he would be the long-term answer. If they'd have been as high on Stidham as they were on, say, Garoppolo at the same stage, they'd have taken him earlier. It's not as though Williams or Harris were can't-miss steals, and, if you think you have the quarterback of the future in your sights, you can't risk someone else sharing your judgement. A third or even a second might have been a "reach" at the time for Stidham, but worth it if they were convinced.

4. He's not in love with Josh Rosen. The Pats could easily have afforded to trade for him last year but didn't.

So nothing would surprise me tonight.

A blockbuster trade? But for whom? Outside Burrow and Tagovailoa, there doesn't seem to be a compelling candidate. Standing pat and letting Stidham and (*gulp*) Hoyer fight it out for the starting job? Taking a quarterback in the mid to late rounds and making it a three-way competition?

Another compelling story is coming up, whether the dog barks in the night-time or it doesn't.

BaconGrundleCandy said:

And that's exactly how I think he'll find success. C3, cloud defender. He's already familiar.

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same with Diggs? He was the guy I thought compared to Sherman the most

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I think we are going defense or T if we pick tonight. Safety, LB are both needs.