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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.100% accuracy is beyond ridiculous. There is no one who « always hits ».Anyone who uses a 2 on Richards? Don’t get me wrong B.B. is great but drafting is not his strong suit
Why would you include undrafted guys in a draft class? Their designation is "Undrafted".
Bill's drafting has been pretty good over the last 20 years but not so great over the last 3. For instance, why didn't he draft a TE last draft with a deep TE class and a desperate need at that position? Also, Bill likes to draft a lot of "projects" and not a lot of near sure things (or as near as you can get in the draft...I know it's still a crap shoot for pretty much every team).
His overall body of work is fine. Bolstered greatly because he caught lightning in the bottle by drafting the GOAT in the 6th round. It’s his recent drafts from 2014 to current that have put the franchise in the position it’s in right now and the drafts from 2005-2008 were pretty bad.
There's no denying BB's GOATness and overall drafting record. The Last few years haven't been his best though.
On a day when they could have had impact players David Terrell or Koren Robinson or the second-best tackle in the draft in Kenyatta Walker, they took Georgia defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who had 1 sacks last season in the pass-happy SEC and is too tall to play tackle at 6-6 and too slow to play defensive end. This genius move was followed by trading out of a spot where they could have gotten the last decent receiver in Robert Ferguson and settled for tackle Matt Light, who will not help any time soon.
- Ron Borges, MSNBC after 2001 Draft.
100% accuracy is beyond ridiculous. There is no one who « always hits ».
He was also critiqued for using picks on Gost & Slater. People also criticized his pick of DMac. They hated Thuney early on.
The last few years haven't been as productive, even discounting the injuries.
Here's the last 5 years by round...
1 23 Isaiah Wynn
1 29 Dominique Easley
1 31 Sony Michel
1 32 Malcom Brown
2 56 Duke Dawson
2 60 Cyrus Jones
2 62 Jimmy Garoppolo
2 64 Jordan Richards
3 78 Joe Thuney
3 83 Derek Rivers
3 85 Antonio Garcia
3 91 Jacoby Brissett
3 96 Vincent Valentine
3 97 Geneo Grissom
4 101 Trey Flowers
4 105 Bryan Stork
4 111 Tre' Jackson
4 112 Malcolm Mitchell
4 130 James White
4 131 Deatrich Wise
4 131 Shaq Mason
4 140 Cameron Flemming
5 143 Ja'Whaun Bentley
5 166 Joe Cardona
6 178 Christian Sam
6 178 Matthew Wells
6 179 Jon Halapio
6 198 Zach Moore
6 202 A.J. Derby
6 206 Jemea Thomas
6 208 Kamu Grugier-Hill
6 210 Braxton Berrios
6 211 Conor McDermott
6 214 Elandon Roberts
6 221 Ted Karras
7 219 Danny Etling
7 225 Devin Lucien
7 243 Keion Crossen
7 244 Jeremy Gallon
7 247 Darryl Roberts
7 250 Ryan Izzo
7 253 Xzavier ****son
His overall body of work is fine. Bolstered greatly because he caught lightning in the bottle by drafting the GOAT in the 6th round. It’s his recent drafts from 2014 to current that have put the franchise in the position it’s in right now and the drafts from 2005-2008 were pretty bad.
I think you COULD debate Brady’s leaving is about recent drafts. It could also be about Brady wanting to leave BB and it could be about BB wanting to move on from Brady.Lol @ disagreeing with this statement.
The reason Brady is gone is because the last 4-5 drafts have been rock bottom.
The reason the Patriots are in danger of regressing back to the pack, at last, is because the last 4-5 drafts.
This isn’t even a debate.
The old school NFL guys except that douche in Miami love BB. They realize signing UDFA’s who become starters is like hitting on an early pick. Butler, Jackson, Jones, Stork, etc. And, picking at the bottom of reach round year after year is difficult.
Why would you include undrafted guys in a draft class? Their designation is "Undrafted".
Bill's drafting has been pretty good over the last 20 years but not so great over the last 3. For instance, why didn't he draft a TE last draft with a deep TE class and a desperate need at that position? Also, Bill likes to draft a lot of "projects" and not a lot of near sure things (or as near as you can get in the draft...I know it's still a crap shoot for pretty much every team).
I think you COULD debate Brady’s leaving is about recent drafts. It could also be about Brady wanting to leave BB and it could be about BB wanting to move on from Brady.
Another note : it’s AWESOME that you are talking about « the danger of regressing » ! It’s just another reminder of how WILDLY successful NE has been. It’s like « we are in danger of regressing after dominating a league for twenty years ! ». Haha. You need to love that part.
I don't think Bill is better than his top peers at talent selection. What makes him great is he has a value system that he sticks to, he gives himself many more at bats than his peers and he tries to build a team not a collection of talent.
Ernie and Bill treat it like a doctorate class in economics which in many ways it is. They just use draft capital and value against salary to gain a competitive advantage. When a vet starts making more salary than what they think his value is they let him walk and take the comp pick to get more value. They may take a short term hit in talent at a position but they're usually in a better value situation. Sure you would love to still have Trey Flowers, just not at 17/year. Simon, Winovich, Wise.....not nearly the player Flowers is but combined they make less than a third of what he makes for 80% of the output.
We compared the Steelers 2nd round picks vs the Patriots a few years ago during one of the "Patriots can't draft in the 2nd round" rants. I forget the exact numbers but the Patriots and Steelers had roughly the same percentage of hits in the second round but the Patriots had twice the number of selections in the same time period. Bill knows that as good as they are they're going to miss. He's giving himself more hits by playing the numbers.
It's not like any of this is a revelation. We've had this discussion a lot over the years.
Here is one that was at least well thought out.Is there a comparative analysis of the Patriots drafting compared to other teams? Including expected return based on draft position?