Players Vote to Approve New CBA

BUSTAMOVE said:

I would normally agree with you on such a long commitment. Unfortunately 21% of the players did not even vote and they did not even have to go anywhere to do it.

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Yea that's sad but not surprising since a bunch of these guys are really kids that don't have the maturity to realize the consequences of not voting.

BUSTAMOVE said:

I would normally agree with you on such a long commitment. Unfortunately 21% of the players did not even vote and they did not even have to go anywhere to do it.

I was a Union member for 35 years. Our negotiations and votes affected our families in many ways. Payroll, health Insurance, pension, vacation etc. we were all in it together on all the issues. These guys are a bunch of scabs. They are all flush with loot and all individualists. Some may not even be in the league in a year. I have seen Union members show strong support for the NFLPA vocally but cannot remember any NFLPA member go out of his way to support a striking Union.

I truthfully see where you are coming from. The NFLPA should probably never negotiate more than a five year contract considering the transitory nature of the sport. Most are just voting on future players lives and careers

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You’re basically right. Tough union to run given the different economic needs of its members, plus a dicey labor history, even for a sports union.

BUSTAMOVE said:

I would normally agree with you on such a long commitment. Unfortunately 21% of the players did not even vote and they did not even have to go anywhere to do it.

I was a Union member for 35 years. Our negotiations and votes affected our families in many ways. Payroll, health Insurance, pension, vacation etc. we were all in it together on all the issues. These guys are a bunch of scabs. They are all flush with loot and all individualists. Some may not even be in the league in a year. I have seen Union members show strong support for the NFLPA vocally but cannot remember any NFLPA member go out of his way to support a striking Union.

I truthfully see where you are coming from. The NFLPA should probably never negotiate more than a five year contract considering the transitory nature of the sport. Most are just voting on future players lives and careers

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The difference between haves and have nots (comparatively) in pro sports unions is just so much greater than in every other category that I'm just not sure it's ever possible to undertake the sort of collective action necessary to oppose a CBA. Management can basically do whatever it wants.

primetime said:

Most union bylaws only require a simple majority for ratification.

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Do most unions sign off on 10-year agreements? Never been in a union so I don't know, but doubt teachers, firefighters, cops, civil servants would agree to a 10-year deal.

farn said:

The number of minimum salary players is high. And I suspect they voted YES.

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Hence the reason I thought the owners' divide and conquer strategy would have resulted in a bigger yes margin.

Personally I am appalled by a lot of the money grubbing changes the owners got away with in terms of retirement and future disability claims but the biggest surprise to me is the deal has no opt out option

KDPPatsfan85 said:

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Isn’t this EXACTLY another reason the players will never “win” ? They are so shortsighted and self-absorbed that 500 (!?!) of them never bothered...

It’s embarrassing, really. Another peek into the “reason so many players end up bankrupt within a few years despite raking in massive salaries”.

14 teams in the 2020 playoffs, then 17-game season in 2021?

I'll deal... but reminds me of a quote: 'Who ordered that?'

Disappointing Brady supported this, it's not like he needs the money.

Salary cap now $198 million, a rise of $10 million.

Awful. I don't know if I'd call it the beginning of the end but it's under no circumstances good news.

Vatahala said:

Salary cap now $198 million, a rise of $10 million.

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Oh good...now the Patriots can adjust their offer to Brady by $1M with very little time left, and Early Bird Bob can act like he’s important in the negotiations.

venecol said:

Disappointing Brady supported this, it's not like he needs the money.

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We saw that very differently, I took Brady's 'well done De' to be in regards to the 3 page open letter. I read the letter and even though I don't like the CBA I gained a new perspective on DeMaurice Smith from it. It was cogent and compelling. In that respect I agree with Brady's assessment, the letter itself was well done.

maust1013 said:

We saw that very differently, I took Brady's 'well done De' to be in regards to the 3 page open letter. I read the letter and even though I don't like the CBA I gained a new perspective on DeMaurice Smith from it. It was cogent and compelling. In that respect I agree with Brady's assessment, the letter itself was well done.

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Well you got me there, I didn't read the letter. I will now.

I suspect the Covid-19 virus pandemic had a huge impact on the yes vote. Given the impact to global economy that will likely last for at least a couple of years, it is possible if the no vote had won that the owner's income would be far less at the time of the next vote. Therefore players may have realized that this is the best deal they would get due to declining global economy.

venecol said:

Do most unions sign off on 10-year agreements? Never been in a union so I don't know, but doubt teachers, firefighters, cops, civil servants would agree to a 10-year deal.

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My union has three year terms, and three to five is standard. The NFLPA usually signs off on long terms because a) ownership wants it to be able to plan the salary cap and b) the union wants it because it means they only get bled every decade.

17 game season will wreck all regular season historical stats and also hall of fame context

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DropKickFlutie said:

17 game season will wreck all regular season historical stats and also hall of fame context

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The NFL went from 12 games in the '50's to 14 in the '60's and then 16 in '78. The 17 game season may not even survive the new CBA, the schedule is obviously going to end up with an even number of games. Context is there from generation to generation, you just have to look for it. What isn't there is a direct apples to apples per game comparison due to rules changes, which is what really makes it impossible to adequately compare eras.

DropKickFlutie said:

17 game season will wreck all regular season historical stats and also hall of fame context

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Just switch over to how baseball does their stats baby

venecol said:

Do most unions sign off on 10-year agreements? Never been in a union so I don't know, but doubt teachers, firefighters, cops, civil servants would agree to a 10-year deal.

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I'll take a crack at this answer as I'm in one of the above mentioned unions and have been for over 20 years.

So, yes, previously contracts in the four-year range were about normal with the biggest issues being raises, pension and healthcare benefits/cost-sharing. Other contractual issues tended to be secondary and were often ironed out relatively easily.
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However, as municipalities have faced higher insurance costs and EPOBs (employee post-employment benefits), there has been more downward pressure on union benefits. Thus, my union local has opted for longer contracts, taking lower raises but gaining more cost certainty with healthcare and EPOBs.

Currently we are in the sixth year of a contract that was supposed to expire in June, but was extended two years in return for some financial relief to the municipality. It would not be a surprise to see it extended again as financial conditions dictate.

500 dip ****s didn't vote on there future.. SMH