Kareem the Hunt(er)

Tony2046 · Dec 1, 2018

robertweathers said:
I think the NFL has the resources to obtain/see the video.

They either saw it and hoped it went away or the chose not to see it.

Possibly but if IIRC, in the Ray Rice case he was arrested, charged and the police department sent the video to the NFL. In this case Hunt wasn't charged or arrested so I'm not sure the NFL or KC saw a video.

PP2 · Dec 1, 2018

Tony2046 said:
From my understanding a Hotel cannot simply just show a video of you or anyone else to anyone (other than law enforcement) without a court order.

My question is why did the Police department responsible for this incident decide not to charge Hunt?

Without charges being filed how could the Chiefs take any action against Hunt responsibly?

The woman wanted to press charges. She pleaded with officers to file charges. They didn't.

Footage was turned over to investigators, so there is no question that the KC organization also got to see the footage.

Doesn't matter if charges are filed by the PD or not. There's a thing called the player conduct policy, both at the NFL and the organizational level.

Tony2046 · Dec 1, 2018

QuantumMechanic said:
If they disclose that you're subject to being recorded in public areas of the hotel I don't know that that's true.

Ok that's possible but that wouldn't be good business and would possibly open themselves up to lawsuits especially if no charges were filed. I highly doubt a Hotel would just hand over a video of one of their guests to a said employer.

luuked · Dec 1, 2018

Tony2046 said:
Possibly but if IIRC, in the Ray Rice case he was arrested, charged and the police department sent the video to the NFL. In this case Hunt wasn't charged or arrested so I'm not sure the NFL or KC saw a video.

I wouldn't be surprised if we find out soon that a nice sum of money went to her and hotel security to shut up about the entire thing. A year of hush payments it seems..

RobertWeathers · Dec 1, 2018

Tony2046 said:
From my understanding a Hotel cannot simply just show a video of you or anyone else to anyone (other than law enforcement) without a court order.

My question is why did the Police department responsible for this incident decide not to charge Hunt?

Without charges being filed how could the Chiefs take any action against Hunt responsibly?

Kareem has the right. That's the issue here. Did he asked was denied or dud he ever ask?

1960Pats · Dec 1, 2018

Deus Irae said:
This wasn't home violence, if what's currently being reported is accurate.

It's the job of the police, not a sports league, to deal with criminal issues.

The NYFL has already opened this door, most likely to keep their thumb on their players. They can't now ignore what is obviously an assault by Hunt. The video changes everything.

Silver Blue&Red · Dec 1, 2018

Hunt accuser details alleged assault to police

.Kareem Hunt’s accuser details alleged assault to Cleveland Police

dtbrks · Dec 1, 2018

I always wonder about people who talk about subjects like these if they ever lived or whitenesed it. I lived in a brutal house hold where my mother was beaten beyond recognition with blood everywhere. Living with fear every time the door opened that it could happen again and it Happened many times, hitting a woman is cowardly.

It spilled outside once and people thought it was a first time thing. Nope, nor am I sure that this isn’t hunts first time hitting a womam. Clearly he is ok with it.

Don’t give me equal rights crap until you’ve seen a women get the **** kicked out of her by a man. Men are bigger and stronger. That reality.

1960Pats · Dec 1, 2018

KontradictioN said:
You talking about me? I couldn’t care less if she called him that. I’m just analyzing the situation with the facts that we’ve been given so far. She dropped the N-bomb and put her hands on him. Wrong. He hit her then pulled the ultimate hood rat move of kicking someone in the head while they’re down. Wrong. He’ll answer for it in a court of law. I suspect that she may have to answer for putting her hands on him as well.

You should re-watch the video. He started it with a shove and ended it with a kick.

Tony2046 · Dec 1, 2018

PP2 said:
The woman wanted to press charges. She pleaded with officers to file charges. They didn't.

Footage was turned over to investigators, so there is no question that the KC organization also got to see the footage.

Doesn't matter if charges are filed by the PD or not. There's a thing called the player conduct policy, both at the NFL and the organizational level.

How does the footage being turned over to legal authorities equate to being a no question that KC saw the footage?

I understand she wanted to press charges. My question is why didn't the police department arrest him or file charges? To me that's the bigger issue in this case.

Unlike the Ray Rice case there were no charges or arrests. I'm not sure it's fair to expect the NFL or KC to punish a player under a conduct policy in which there wasn't an arrest or charges filed.

Betterthanmost · Dec 1, 2018

Tony2046 said:
Unlike the Ray Rice case there were no charges or arrests. I'm not sure it's fair to expect the NFL or KC to punish a player under a conduct policy in which there wasn't an arrest or charges filed.

one Elliot in Dallas will beg to differ.

TinhWoodhead · Dec 1, 2018

robertweathers said:
It wasn't the content.

It was the video going public.

I don't buy the fact they cut a 23 year old 1300 yd rusher because they were lied to

they were expecting it to not go public eventually?

RobertWeathers · Dec 1, 2018

Silver Blue&Red said:
Hunt accuser details alleged assault to police

.Kareem Hunt’s accuser details alleged assault to Cleveland Police

If Hunt was accused of assault, through his lawyer he had the right to ask for and see the video.

Once that happens it's on Hunt to defend himself.

RobertWeathers · Dec 1, 2018

TinhWoodhead said:
they were expecting it to not go public eventually?

Hoping

Tony2046 · Dec 1, 2018

robertweathers said:
Kareem has the right. That's the issue here. Did he asked was denied or dud he ever ask?

Don't understand your last sentence.

Did NFL/KC ask Kareem if they could look at the Hotel video? I doubt they would have. No charges were filed and no one was arrested. As far as KC possibly knew was that Kareem got into a shoving incident that led to no arrests or charges.

RobertWeathers · Dec 1, 2018

Tony2046 said:
Don't understand your last sentence.

Did NFL/KC ask Kareem if they could look at the Hotel video? I doubt they would have. No charges were filed and no one was arrested. As far as KC possibly knew was that Kareem got into a shoving incident that led to no arrests or charges.

I thought she went to the cops? If so he can request and be granted the video

Kasmir · Dec 1, 2018

Withdrawing an inappropriate post.

Seacoast Fan · Dec 1, 2018

1960Pats said:
Just like @Deus Irae has in this thread.

Some of those attacks on DI were way over the top. So much for Ian’s rules....

1960Pats · Dec 1, 2018

dreighver said:
What this woman did may be considered “assault” as per the law, but to equivocate and imply that this incident was comprised of two equal forms of physical assault (in a more subjective sense) is disingenuous.

Hunt’s response was entirely disproportionate to her action and to the amount of danger (or lack thereof) he was facing.

My God! I can't believe the number of people in this thread who keep talking like she hit him first. She didn't.

scout · Dec 1, 2018

KontradictioN said:
Then they’re not being treated equally and similarly. If you want true equality, you have to take the good with the bad. Throw hands at a man and accept it when he throws one back. I’m of the position that a woman is a man’s equal in many regards. As I said, cognitively, the ability to do many jobs at or better than the level of a man, etc. For example, if I was tasked with sending an expat overseas to European countries for my company, I’d strongly consider a woman. Women tend to work harder and longer, studies have shown, to build lasting business relationships because they go with a pre-developed sense that they won’t be treated as peers by their male overseas counterparts. But, in a physical sense, unless we’re talking about a woman who has been trained (ala Ronda Rousey) and a man that hasn’t (your average Joe that slams an 18 a week and rips key bumps in the bathroom stall of a dive bar on Saturday nights), a woman is not a man’s physical equal. Therefore, they should not be treated as such, a man should keep his hands to himself around a woman and physically restrain her if she has to, and we as a society should quit pretending that we buy into this utter nonsense that everyone is equal.

Are you speaking in the legal sense of equal rights for women? Equality has nothing to do with fighting as ethics has to enter into the discussion. The bottom line is a male hitting a female is unethical. Equal rights for woman is a legal rights for American citizenry regardless of sex.

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