"Anybody but the Patriots" mentality

PatsWickedPissah · Jun 25, 2018

I LOVE IT when outlanders complain about the Pats. I always respond with a variant of "So the Pats have kicked your team's ass again?" or "So the Pats beat your team in the playoffs", or "Brady wins too much. Is that the problem?". Only with one team does this not work.

sb1 · Jun 25, 2018

Comes with the territory of being a dynasty.

SammyBlueCat · Jun 25, 2018

Off The Grid said:
I'm not surprised that my simple, clear message was too much for you to process.

Only the most pathetic and contemptibly weak ~ like Dennis Leary ~ root for a team over their own home town team because of that team's success...or falsely accuse others of doing so.

To any but the pathetic and contempibly weak, it goes without saying that I've always rooted for the Patriots against all of the NFL Dynasties, come Hell or High Water...

But you'd have to be pretty weak, indeed, to allow your love for your own team to get in the way of admiration for another team's Greatness. And you'd have to be a pathetic little worm to be so intimidated by the accomplishments of others that you hate them.

Looks like I struck a nerve. My simple clear sarcasm was too much for you to process... I already made it clear in another post that I respected other successful teams... Just for you I shall pars things very carefully for now on. Go ahead and spread your loyalty like butter. I really do not care what you do. Have a nice day.

Pats Fanatic · Jun 25, 2018

cmasspatsfan said:
No, hes calling us massholes, been called much worse.

I really don't see that as pertaining to the Patriots anyway. I mean when I lived near Boothbay harbor we called a few Mass tourist that and sometimes for good reason. We loved the Pats though.

fnordcircle · Jun 25, 2018

patriot1136 said:
I think you can appreciate another team's success and not get sick of them.

You can. But many of us get tired of seeing the same people hoisting a trophy.

primetime · Jun 25, 2018

nabwong said:
You belong to a small minority in the world. Hating is much easier than thinking.

It's weird. It's just a game, and of course people are going to root against a team as dominant as the Patriots. Just like people are rooting for the Warriors to lose in basketball. Just like we didn't like to see Peyton Manning win, and Red Sox fans rooted against the Yankees. That's part of the fun.

I just don't see why people take someone rooting against the Patriots to be a sign that person, uh, deserves to be beaten up and ****. It's the most unhinged sort of thing, to get this riled up over the #brand you like.

Actual Pats Fan · Jun 25, 2018

1960Pats said:
I like dynasty talk because it gives me a chance to talk about the greatest dynasty of them all, the Celtics. Golden State could get close to them if they just repeat 3 of 4 twice more in succession.

Some of my opinions on the NYFL dynasties has changed over the years, especially when the Pats started getting called cheaters for doing nothing. On top of that list is the 49ers and Jerry Rice, who admitted to using stickum after he had the dropsies in his first season.

As you know, a lot of people really did not like the Celtics. Primarily, because we won all the time. We weren't exactly humble about it, but not because we were stuck up snobs. It was a psychological competitive strategy: the truth was every year we were going up against Oscar and Wilt and Baylor and West and the rest, we knew they were good, and good enough to beat us. We were brash and ****y to instill some confidence and get over the jitters. Led by Bill Russell, humor was a huge coping device on that team. We used it to relieve the pressure and stress, and to offset Red's driving determination, and it worked.

Red lighting up a cigar all the time also helped a lot to make them hate us.

Actual Pats Fan · Jun 25, 2018

primetime said:
It's weird. It's just a game, and of course people are going to root against a team as dominant as the Patriots. Just like people are rooting for the Warriors to lose in basketball. Just like we didn't like to see Peyton Manning win, and Red Sox fans rooted against the Yankees. That's part of the fun.

I just don't see why people take someone rooting against the Patriots to be a sign that person, uh, deserves to be beaten up and ****. It's the most unhinged sort of thing, to get this riled up over the #brand you like.

It's an abstract, hypothetical type of analysis to imagine the Patriots are just like any other team, and to compare people's reaction to them to those for other dynastic teams in the four major sports over the last 120 years.

But the reality is that the Patriots are not like any other team; this franchise has been denigrated, abused, insulted, and ravaged by its own league and in the local and national media in unprecedented fashion.

And that's PRIOR to Tom Brady taking over as the starting QB.

Since then? Well, when we won the AFCCG in Pittsburgh in '02 there INSTANTLY were cries that we cheated and did not deserve to be in the Super Bowl.

Not, "Wow, good for them, they're a really good team, they did a good job" etc.

lancerman · Jun 25, 2018

We are from the city of “Beat LA” and “my favorite team is the Red Sox and anybody who beats the Yankees”. Please don’t act like you don’t understand this mentality. Just be happy to be kings of the mountain.

lancerman · Jun 25, 2018

SammyBlueCat said:
Teams like the Packers, 49ers, Steelers, and Cowboys had dynastic periods.
Those time frames became boring however I respected those teams.

Steelers won 4 in 6 years that were bookended by mediocrity. The Cowboys were a consistently good team in the Staubach/Landry era but only won 2 titles pretty far apart. Then in the 90’s they won 3 our of 4 then fell apart before the decade ended.

The Pats won 5, make the Super Bowl every other year on average and have been in the AFCCG for 7 straight years.

Hyped · Jun 25, 2018

I always tell people that there are 33 NFL fan bases....the 32 teams and the Patriot haters...

And I think the Patriot hater fan base is the biggest fan base in the NFL by far.

I also saw an, "Anybody But Brady" T-Shirt in Vegas before the Superbowl….

God, I love these miserable bastards!!!!

Actual Pats Fan · Jun 25, 2018

lancerman said:
Steelers won 4 in 6 years that were bookended by mediocrity. The Cowboys were a consistently good team in the Staubach/Landry era but only won 2 titles pretty far apart. Then in the 90’s they won 3 our of 4 then fell apart before the decade ended.

The Pats won 5, make the Super Bowl every other year on average and have been in the AFCCG for 7 straight years.

primetime · Jun 25, 2018

Actual Pats Fan said:
It's an abstract, hypothetical type of analysis to imagine the Patriots are just like any other team, and to compare people's reaction to them to those for other dynastic teams in the four major sports over the last 120 years.

But the reality is that the Patriots are not like any other team; this franchise has been denigrated, abused, insulted, and ravaged by its own league and in the local and national media in unprecedented fashion.

And that's PRIOR to Tom Brady taking over as the starting QB.

Since then? Well, when we won the AFCCG in Pittsburgh in '02 there INSTANTLY were cries that we cheated and did not deserve to be in the Super Bowl.

Not, "Wow, good for them, they're a really good team, they did a good job" etc.

You're unhinged

JarOfMayo51 · Jun 26, 2018

Hyped said:
I always tell people that there are 33 NFL fan bases....the 32 teams and the Patriot haters...

And I think the Patriot hater fan base is the biggest fan base in the NFL by far.

I also saw an, "Anybody But Brady" T-Shirt in Vegas before the Superbowl….

God, I love these miserable bastards!!!!

True, and that feeds into why the media and everyone go coocoo for coco puffs whenever they can attack the patriots.

They use the Pats and Brady's publicity to drive up ratings (ie; money). It's also why you see a lot of no names in the media world, or former players trying to make it in media go after the Pats and say ridiculous stuff to get their name out there

It's also why a story like deflategate gets so blown out of proportion and takes on a life of its own.. Because it's profitable for them to keep exacerbating the story and turning it into some manufactured scandal

TheRainMaker · Jun 26, 2018

Why not Tom Brady and the Pats? Who the hell wants to see Blake Bortles in a Super Bowl? Joe Flacco? Andy Dalton? Do I need to go on? Big Ben is the next best QB but he plays like he's a senior. Phillip Rivers is right behind him but he's a proven loser.

Anybody know what the ratings are when the Pats are in the Super Bowl compared to when they are not?

fnordcircle · Jun 26, 2018

TheRainMaker said:
Why not Tom Brady and the Pats? Who the hell wants to see Blake Bortles in a Super Bowl? Joe Flacco? Andy Dalton? Do I need to go on? Big Ben is the next best QB but he plays like he's a senior. Phillip Rivers is right behind him but he's a proven loser.

Anybody know what the ratings are when the Pats are in the Super Bowl compared to when they are not?

People watch to root against us. The Pats are good TV.

That's totally beside the point of the thread, though.

Crazy Patriot Guy · Jun 26, 2018

I can't say I've ever worn or even owned clothing that proclaimed my hatred of another team. But I get it.

I'm a Texas Longhorns fan. I hate Alabama and Nick Saban. I'm beyond impressed by the team's sustained success and Saban is possibly the greatest college coach of all time but I hate them for very simple reasons:

1. They beat Texas the last time we played, and it was for the national title.
2. They continue to win much more than Texas.
3. Nick Saban doesn't coach at Texas.

That pretty much sums it up.

aluminum seats · Jun 26, 2018

The “whoever plays the Yankees” thing makes sense because that benefits the Red Sox.

I wouldn’t wear any of it, just saying.

Of course you shouldn’t get too heated about these things...but the “why does it matter to you” crowd annoys me too.

Maybe I’m just in a bad mood.

PatsWickedPissah · Jun 26, 2018

I always saw "Yankees Suck" chants and apparel as being wimp, loser mentality. Even more so before the Sawkz started winning a few rings or whatever that 19th century snore of a activity calls them.

Off The Grid · Jun 27, 2018

Off The Grid said:
Silly Earthlings. I'm down with the OPP ~ heh ~ on this one: "How mentally distraught do you have to be to dedicate an article of clothing to hating something?"

Original Poster's Point, 'cause now I gotta hear this:

I love the Alabama Crimson Tide, and always have...But, then: I've always also loved the Michigan Wolverines, the Notre Dame Fighting Irish, and several other teams.

And when they're playing each other, I have a blast...Georgia BullDogs? Love'm!! I like all Georgia Teams!! Last Year's Championship Game was awesome.

I loved watching the Steelers win in the 70's.

I loved watching the Miners win in the 80's.

I loved watching the CowBoys win in the 90's.

Greatness does not annoy, irritate, bore, or sicken me.

Greatness inspires and exalts me.

SammyBlueCat said:
Wait a minute... Does this mean that you look in the paper or online, see who is in first place, and then buy a hat???

Off The Grid said:
I'm not surprised that my simple, clear message was too much for you to process.

Only the most pathetic and contemptibly weak ~ like Dennis Leary ~ root for a team over their own home town team because of that team's success...or falsely accuse others of doing so.

To any but the pathetic and contempibly weak, it goes without saying that I've always rooted for the Patriots against all of the NFL Dynasties, come Hell or High Water...

But you'd have to be pretty weak, indeed, to allow your love for your own team to get in the way of admiration for another team's Greatness. And you'd have to be a pathetic little worm to be so intimidated by the accomplishments of others that you hate them.

SammyBlueCat said:
Looks like I struck a nerve. My simple clear sarcasm was too much for you to process... I already made it clear in another post that I respected other successful teams... Just for you I shall pars things very carefully for now on. Go ahead and spread your loyalty like butter. I really do not care what you do. Have a nice day.

Hmm...If you say you were being sarcastic, then you were being sarcastic. I rescind my salty response in its entirety. I would respectfully dispute the clarity of your sarcasm, however. It was anything but obvious to me, and I'm not exactly thick.

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