Central Thread For Mourning/Canonizing Jimmy Garoppolo

RhodyPatriot said:

Brady is not playing at an MVP level, I think the last shot they have at a Super Bowl in the Brady era is this year (a lot has to break right for them for that to happen) and as Tom E Curran put it a couple of days ago, for the first time in 17 years there is a palpable feeling that the window is closing on this Brady/Belichick dynasty.

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Curran also said they never even made an offer to Garrapolo, but so I can be like you I’ll make sh.t up and say it was because Garrapolo didn’t come back from injury when he was supposed, so Belichick decided he wasn’t tough enough to play QB in the NFL and shipped him to SF for whatever he could get. It’s not true but since we are just making sh.t up it might as well be.

I can’t imagine why Belichick would choose to stick with the player who was named the best player in football by his peers last season, has been the best player in football the last 3 seasons, 5 seasons, and will almost certainly be named the MVP this season after leading his team to the # 1 seed in the AFC? It’s just crazy.

robertweathers said:

That's what the Garrapolites believe. They also believe BB would pay him $23m under the tag and keep paying Tom $14m

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This insanity cannot be emphasized enough.
Grappo Krishnas disingenuously say they really like/support Brady and just want an insurance policy/transition but How in Hell are you gonna pay JAG the franchise # with Brady ~$10 million less? There is a limit, even for Tom, in what he'll do salary cap wise.

PatsWickedPissah said:

This insanity cannot be emphasized enough.
Grappo Krishnas disingenuously say they really like/support Brady and just want an insurance policy/transition but How in Hell are you gonna pay JAG the franchise # with Brady ~$10 million less? There is a limit, even for Tom, in what he'll do salary cap wise.

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Rhody doesn’t even pretend he respects Brady, he openly craps on him as a diva who forced his crush out of town.

IllegalContact said:

I still think the pats should have kept him until the last possible moment....especially since they only got a 2nd rounder

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Yea. Thats a reasonable counter-argument to trading him for a 2nd. Keep him till the end of the year just in case Tom falls off a cliff or experiences a career-ending injury and stay competitive and get a 3rd rd comp pick when he signs.

IllegalContact said:

I feel like if Brady wins an SB this year that it would be the most obvious time to walk away.

Because if he doesn’t and winds up with some injury that has him walking like joe Montana, then he gets to win the hubris award

All told, the current path is a reasonable one

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Yep. Its reasonable as long as hes playing at a high level which thankfully he is and seemingly poised to in 2018 again.

I would have had no problem keeping JAG and getting a 3rd comp pick, really a top 4th rounder, but whatevah.

In MY fantasy world (since we're into that in this thread) BB woulda gotten an extra or higher pick from SF based in Jimmy's performance or lack of same.

PatsWickedPissah said:

I would have had no problem keeping JAG and getting a 3rd comp pick, really a top 4th rounder, but whatevah.

In MY fantasy world (since we're into that in this thread) BB woulda gotten an extra or higher pick from SF based in Jimmy's performance or lack of same.

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My thought as well though I think any trade involving a conditional pick would have been easier to design if SF was a playoff contender which they weren’t.

Yes, SF could have simply not played JAG as much to eliminate conditional pick playoff HOWEVER that would have given them less assurance of his potential as a franchise QB AND would have resulted in us getting an earlier 2nd round pick.
/Back to Reality.

Business is business we should have Traded him to Cleveland. Baltimore is on the decline and Cincinnati is well Cincinnati. Jimmy would have been Cleveland's best QB since Kosar.

PatsFan2 said:

Business is business we should have Traded him to Cleveland. Baltimore is on the decline and Cincinnati is well Cincinnati. Jimmy would have been Cleveland's best QB since Kosar.

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The only thing I do not understand is why we didn't trade JG to Cleveland assuming Cleveland would have given more draft picks for him. Cleveland might have preferred chosing a QB in the draft. 4 years of a moderate QB salary versus losing a high pick and paying $20M plus for JG. There is an argument for Cleveland to skip JG when they had the top draft pick. I know Clevelands lack of draft prowess but a "Wentz" on a rookie contract with all of their draft picks would vault the franchise just like the Rams. Otherwise JG could not stay at the salary and playing time he wanted - never going to happen.

IllegalContact said:

I still think the pats should have kept him until the last possible moment....especially since they only got a 2nd rounder

I feel like if Brady wins an SB this year that it would be the most obvious time to walk away.

Because if he doesn’t and winds up with some injury that has him walking like joe Montana, then he gets to win the hubris award

All told, the current path is a reasonable one

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Better than retiring and JG winning a SB next year with SF. Brady could probably never step foot in Massachusetts again if that happened.

robertweathers said:

Yea. Thats a reasonable counter-argument to trading him for a 2nd. Keep him till the end of the year just in case Tom falls off a cliff or experiences a career-ending injury and stay competitive and get a 3rd rd comp pick when he signs.

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PatsWickedPissah said:

I would have had no problem keeping JAG and getting a 3rd comp pick, really a top 4th rounder, but whatevah.

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I thought we went through all about how comp picks are not guaranteed last year with Collins. Also how is a pick that is essentially 50-60 slots earlier and a year sooner than that potential comp pick worth it over 8 regular season games of being the backup ? At some point you gotta do a risk/value analysis and trust that Brady who has been pretty good about keeping himself out of bigger harms way will continue doing that and just hope that nothing catastrophic will happen.

PatsFan2 said:

Business is business we should have Traded him to Cleveland. Baltimore is on the decline and Cincinnati is well Cincinnati. Jimmy would have been Cleveland's best QB since Kosar.

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One-If-By-Sea said:

The only thing I do not understand is why we didn't trade JG to Cleveland assuming Cleveland would have given more draft picks for him. Cleveland might have preferred chosing a QB in the draft. 4 years of a moderate QB salary versus losing a high pick and paying $20M plus for JG. There is an argument for Cleveland to skip JG when they had the top draft pick. I know Clevelands lack of draft prowess but a "Wentz" on a rookie contract with all of their draft picks would vault the franchise just like the Rams. Otherwise JG could not stay at the salary and playing time he wanted - never going to happen.

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Cleveland AFC, San Francisco NFC

Is that so complex ? If you want to have an interesting discussion then ask yourself why they didnt call the Cardinals as well to start a bidding war.

luuked said:

I thought we went through all about how comp picks are not guaranteed last year with Collins. Also how is a pick that is essentially 50-60 slots earlier and a year sooner than that potential comp pick worth it over 8 regular season games of being the backup ? At some point you gotta do a risk/value analysis and trust that Brady who has been pretty good about keeping himself out of bigger harms way will continue doing that and just hope that nothing catastrophic will happen.

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Yea a 3rd rounder is a spitball.

I thought they got comp picks the same year as losing the player?

robertweathers said:

Yea a 3rd rounder is a spitball.

I thought they got comp picks the same year as losing the player?

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The picks are awarded before the draft but are made for the moves made a year ago. The comp pick formula allegedly takes into account snap counts and post season awards so you can only make a full evaluation of a player after a season has passed.

We will know by March what picks we could get for last years FA moves (e.g. Sheard).

NFL Draft Resources and Contract Estimates (see sidebar on the right)

Nehalem said:

Better than retiring and JG winning a SB next year with SF. Brady could probably never step foot in Massachusetts again if that happened.

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Imagine the horror of being banished to your new 5500 square foot condo in TriBeCa. I don’t really know how he will survive.

I could see this discussion if Brady had turned into a middle of the pack QB but having it after he led them to a #1 seed, and he’s the leading candidate for MVP, yet somehow he’s done?

That’s f.cked up.

sb1 said:

Yup. JG ain’t no 22 year old rookie sensation, he is 26.

At age 26 Brady was already a 2 time Super Bowl champion.

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Come on now, Jimmy G is a 26 year old quasi-rookie 2 time Super Bowl champion. Jimmy's so awesome he got rings without taking a snap!

luuked said:

Cleveland AFC, San Francisco NFC

Is that so complex ? If you want to have an interesting discussion then ask yourself why they didnt call the Cardinals as well to start a bidding war.

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Maybe they did call the Cardinals, we may never know. I agree it seems like the Cardinals should have wanted JG and I have no knowledge or guesses as to why the Cardinals would not have wanted him.

RhodyPatriot said:

Awww did I upset the teenage girls in the Brady fanclub????

Sorry but this discussion is for PATRIOT FANS, aka NFL FOOTBALL FANS vs giggling starry eyed Brady fans. There is a HUGE difference between the two and you can tell who belongs in what camp by the "emotion" in the responses.

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If this discussion is intended for Patriots fans, aka NFL football fans I have to wonder why you're a participant. I write that because you know and I know and everyone legitimately paying attention to all of this knows that your viewpoints aren't legitimate. I think there are signs, somewhat subtle right now, that Brady may be in decline. Now, whether those signs are attributable to age or the absence of his weapons is a subject for genuine discussion. But, unfortunately, genuine discussion isn't part of your shtick. You're a perpetual ****-stirrer. You know that retaining Jimmy G. and Brady was not possible without throwing the salary cap completely out of whack and making it impossible to sign the guys they need to sign to remain competitive. There's a minority part of me that thinks it would have been wiser to move on from Brady and keep JG. But, I believe that might have been a mistake and would have come back and bitten them in the ass. I, and many, many others here are willing to admit they're not sure. Not you, at least not publicly. You're a fake, a phony and a troll because you're now operating from a position of strength in that JG is gone and Brady's still here. I think JG is both a good guy and a good QB. I hope he has a great career. But, if he doesn't, at least my disappointment will be tempered by the fact that an ***hole like you was wrong.