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For years Patriots fans laughed at all of Peyton's postseason collapses.

There was not a peep from the media, save for one lonely comment in 2006 by Boomer Esiason. Boomer was roundly slammed for saying on TV that Peyton & the Colts needed to beat Brady & the Pats or else some people would (very unfairly, in his opinion!) think that Peyton was another A-Rod (meaning a choker). Boomer was taken to the woodshed for that mild comment.

We know what then happened in the 2006 AFCCG. Flu. 85 degree heat. 2nd half collapse. A bogus face-guarding flag. An official apology for missed calls. Then the Bears and Rex Grossman provided almost a bye to a Colts Super Bowl win, capping a 3 game run "led" by Peyton with 3 TDs and 7 INTs.

Then came 2007. The Colts, not the Patriots, had the #1 D in the NFL. The 16-0 Patriots got all of the attention. Nobody in the media chirped as Billy Volek outdueled Peyton Manning, giving him one-and-done #5.

Lather, rinse, repeat: in 2008 there was yet another one-and-done loss to San Diego, #6 if you are counting.

In 2009 Peyton and the Colts went to the Super Bowl. Peyton threw a soul-crushing pick-6 to lose the game. No one blamed him one bit, other than a few of us Patriots fans who chuckled and pointed at his 9-9 playoff record.

In 2010, one-and-done AGAIN, one-and-done #7.

Injured in 2011.

2012, one-and-done #8. But...the discussion CHANGED, almost overnight.

Fool me once, twice, 3 times.... then eight times there was finally a wake-up call! The eighth time is a charm I guess! After that loss, one year ago, we finally started hearing people on ESPN, Fox, and even NFL network at least bringing the (then) 9-11 record into the discussion. There became at least a discussion of the contrast between the 9-11 QB with 8 one-and-dones and the 17-7 QB with two one-and-dones, who had virtually the same regular season success while the 9-11 guy had by and large more talent to work with.

Sure, most of the media were regularly lathering up Peyton's ballsack and STILL calling him the greatest ever. This fawning chorus only increased this year, with a season of goofy pinball numbers.

But some people had already spoken up, on TV last year. Spoken up about playoff success (or lack thereof). That had not changed. The 9-11 record was real. The 4-10 record in head-to-heads vs. Brady was real. These few brave media people were not just going to forget it, amazingly.

We now hear more of them, louder and louder. Yes, we have turned them around. Peyton has ownership of that 10-11 career record. Media people, not just Patriots fans, are talking openly about a "mixed legacy" for Peyton Manning. They are talking about Sunday being a "must win" for his career. Even the Colts owner publicly griped that one ring in an amazing decade was just not enough.

In short, national news media are saying what we were saying 8-9 years ago.

That is refreshing.


We need this one on Sunday, though, or a lot of them will immediately sweep it all under the rug and say that 11-11 Manning has caught up to (in that scenario) or even passed 18-8 Brady, that 5-10 in head-to-heads is close enough to call it "advantage Peyton"

I REALLY hope that we do not let that happen.

Nothing would cap the stupid already-resolved (in Brady's favor) Manning-Brady "debate" like another beatdown of the fivehead as a home favorite, at the hands of the true greatest QB of all time.

:rocker:
 
I can honestly say I don't care about this part. Peyton IS a great QB. He's won a Super Bowl. If he beats the Pats this weekend, he will have a shot at a second one. That's fine... that's football.

I would RATHER have Brady administer a beatdown of epic proportions. Followed by another in 2 weeks. :D That WOULD IMHO cement Brady's legacy as the best QB ever. But that's not all on Brady, is it? Just like losing any game isn't all on one player.

Hey, the Manning media love fest will continue... honestly, I think part of it is veiled hatred of anything Brady, Belichick, or Patriot-ic. But because they love him as a player doesn't mean he wasn't a great one. JMHO. <shrug>

(that said... I want this weekend to generate maximum Manning faces LOL)
 
I go from wanting to Manning to flounder again, to feeling bad for him because chokes a lot. He's one of the greatest of all-time and he's at the end of the line because of his age/neck issues. I want to see him go down but I don't want him to embarrass himself too much.

Kind of like when Mariano Rivera retired. We all cheered for the guy and sent him off while he was still at the top of his game. It would have been sad to see him get shelled every time out.
 
There was not a peep from the media, save for one lonely comment in 2006 by Boomer Esiason. Boomer was roundly slammed for saying on TV that Peyton & the Colts needed to beat Brady & the Pats or else some people would (very unfairly, in his opinion!) think that Peyton was another A-Rod (meaning a choker). Boomer was taken to the woodshed for that mild comment.
Wasn't that on air when (was it Boomer) who said that(Manning) was this generations Marino...while Marino was sitting 2-3 people down from him? That was a real harsh moment and you could see the anger in Marino's face (his self restraint from punching his ticket right there should be commended).


But, there are people on both sides. Even this morning someone was making a comment that Brady always had the better team, defense, special teams and they even said offense. And nobody challenges the guy on saying that. We can agree that the Patriots had the better defense and special teams was really a matter of BB not letting any detail go unnoticed (especially ST).

But, offense? that's way too funny.
 
I really want Manning to lose. While he is a great QB he’s also incredibly over-rated: he’s had the luxury of playing in a dome most of his career, having stacked offenses, and going up against teams with bad pass defenses, this is why his post-season record isn’t nearly as impressive as his regular season record.

I want to see credit go to people who actually deserve it, Pats or no.
 
Wasn't that on air when (was it Boomer) who said that(Manning) was this generations Marino...while Marino was sitting 2-3 people down from him? That was a real harsh moment and you could see the anger in Marino's face (his self restraint from punching his ticket right there should be commended).

That's funny because just last week Shannon Sharpe said you are not considered a great QB when you don't have a ring, with Boomer and Marino next to him.
 
That's funny because just last week Shannon Sharpe said you are not considered a great QB when you don't have a ring, with Boomer and Marino next to him.

well, what can you say, Sharpe is a formidable dude :eek: ;)
 
well, what can you say, Sharpe is a formidable dude :eek: ;)
Maybe he can put a call into the National Guard and get some situational awareness instilled into him.
 
That's funny because just last week Shannon Sharpe said you are not considered a great QB when you don't have a ring, with Boomer and Marino next to him.

So I guess Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler and Mark Rypien were great QB's and Marino, Fouts and Esiason aren't ? Dumb argument.
 
So I guess Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer and Jeff Hostetler and Mark Rypien were great QB's and Marino, Fouts and Esiason aren't ? Dumb argument.

He said no ring = not great (guessing GOAT status), he didn't say ring = great.

Elway didn't get all of his praise until he got his 2 rings.
 
Wasn't that on air when (was it Boomer) who said that(Manning) was this generations Marino...while Marino was sitting 2-3 people down from him? That was a real harsh moment and you could see the anger in Marino's face (his self restraint from punching his ticket right there should be commended).


But, there are people on both sides. Even this morning someone was making a comment that Brady always had the better team, defense, special teams and they even said offense. And nobody challenges the guy on saying that. We can agree that the Patriots had the better defense and special teams was really a matter of BB not letting any detail go unnoticed (especially ST).

But, offense? that's way too funny.

yes it was Boomer....I remember the comment, it was after a Manning loss to the Pats. Boomer owns Marino - YouTube
 
yes it was Boomer....I remember the comment, it was after a Manning loss to the Pats. Boomer owns Marino - YouTube
No, that must have been a staged retake or the comment was known ahead fo time. I recall the comment was outdoors and Marino was definitely not happy. He seems at peace with the comment in this video.

Then again, maybe my brain just isn't right :).
 
For years Patriots fans laughed at all of Peyton's postseason collapses.

There was not a peep from the media, save for one lonely comment in 2006 by Boomer Esiason. Boomer was roundly slammed for saying on TV that Peyton & the Colts needed to beat Brady & the Pats or else some people would (very unfairly, in his opinion!) think that Peyton was another A-Rod (meaning a choker). Boomer was taken to the woodshed for that mild comment.

We know what then happened in the 2006 AFCCG. Flu. 85 degree heat. 2nd half collapse. A bogus face-guarding flag. An official apology for missed calls. Then the Bears and Rex Grossman provided almost a bye to a Colts Super Bowl win, capping a 3 game run "led" by Peyton with 3 TDs and 7 INTs.

Then came 2007. The Colts, not the Patriots, had the #1 D in the NFL. The 16-0 Patriots got all of the attention. Nobody in the media chirped as Billy Volek outdueled Peyton Manning, giving him one-and-done #5.

Lather, rinse, repeat: in 2008 there was yet another one-and-done loss to San Diego, #6 if you are counting.

In 2009 Peyton and the Colts went to the Super Bowl. Peyton threw a soul-crushing pick-6 to lose the game. No one blamed him one bit, other than a few of us Patriots fans who chuckled and pointed at his 9-9 playoff record.

In 2010, one-and-done AGAIN, one-and-done #7.

Injured in 2011.

2012, one-and-done #8. But...the discussion CHANGED, almost overnight.

Fool me once, twice, 3 times.... then eight times there was finally a wake-up call! The eighth time is a charm I guess! After that loss, one year ago, we finally started hearing people on ESPN, Fox, and even NFL network at least bringing the (then) 9-11 record into the discussion. There became at least a discussion of the contrast between the 9-11 QB with 8 one-and-dones and the 17-7 QB with two one-and-dones, who had virtually the same regular season success while the 9-11 guy had by and large more talent to work with.

Sure, most of the media were regularly lathering up Peyton's ballsack and STILL calling him the greatest ever. This fawning chorus only increased this year, with a season of goofy pinball numbers.

But some people had already spoken up, on TV last year. Spoken up about playoff success (or lack thereof). That had not changed. The 9-11 record was real. The 4-10 record in head-to-heads vs. Brady was real. These few brave media people were not just going to forget it, amazingly.

We now hear more of them, louder and louder. Yes, we have turned them around. Peyton has ownership of that 10-11 career record. Media people, not just Patriots fans, are talking openly about a "mixed legacy" for Peyton Manning. They are talking about Sunday being a "must win" for his career. Even the Colts owner publicly griped that one ring in an amazing decade was just not enough.

In short, national news media are saying what we were saying 8-9 years ago.

That is refreshing.


We need this one on Sunday, though, or a lot of them will immediately sweep it all under the rug and say that 11-11 Manning has caught up to (in that scenario) or even passed 18-8 Brady, that 5-10 in head-to-heads is close enough to call it "advantage Peyton"

I REALLY hope that we do not let that happen.

Nothing would cap the stupid already-resolved (in Brady's favor) Manning-Brady "debate" like another beatdown of the fivehead as a home favorite, at the hands of the true greatest QB of all time.

:rocker:


feel your frustration

ive been a manning hater since day one...

those are daddy's little girls

watching eli cry after betting drafted #1 to the team he didn't want to go to

back around '03-04-all the new defensive secondary calls made to tailor peyton and indy

you summed up the indy SB win the best.....he wouldn't have won nearly as much if indy was still AFCE division.

we've had the worst luck and he gets wes...koppen....anything he needs to get what he wants...I don't care if we win the sb as long as Denver loses...the refs will find a way to ruin it prob.

#88 #80 #87 #83 all big problems

I hope we did our homework!!!
 
Not national media, but local, pretty much summing it all up - Peyton's got a lot more to lose here...

With every advantage, Peyton Manning's legacy is at stake Sunday, not Tom Brady's - Touching All the Bases - Boston.com

...and from this article (a bit off-topic but still so true) - This:
Losing a Super Bowl is a hell of a lot more impressive than going one-and-done, something Montana did four times, including three straight years from 1985-87. And yet a perfect record in the Super Bowl is regarded as a greater achievement than, oh, getting there six times and winning four. It makes no sense.
 
This is a big legacy game for both QB's, however Manning has much more to lose. If Manning wins this game and the Super Bowl his play-off record goes over .500 and he has 2 rings with different teams. in other words he is in the GOAT discussion. However if he loses and Brady goes on to win the Super Bowl then Manning is out and the GOAT discussion is limited to Brady and Montana. And if Brady goes on to hold the play-off wins record and most wins by a QB, with his winning % included then he won't even need number 5.

Overall Brady is in the much better position. Manning is clearly close to the end of his career whereas Brady is showing no signs of slowing down and he is on the 2nd youngest team in football, his future is bright and he should have more opportunities to get another ring.
 
I'm just pissed the Pats lost that Miami game.
 
Assuming that the members of the media are motivated by anything else than growing a national audience for their work across all forms of media is naive.

Outside of Patriots Nation, people "liked" Peyton and the Colts/Broncos, but not-so-much Brady and the Pats organization.

Why?

Doesn't matter really, but some combination of a fancy pants New England team winning way too often in the cap era, a GQ vs. Papa John's image and BB's scintillating personality capped off by Spygate. So, there was always a percentage for a mediot with illusions of grandeur in writing a fawning Peyton story and a "Brady/the Pats are great...BUT" story.

Now, the same media geniuses have decided that the "story" is "Peyton's inability to win the big one and wouldn't it be an even greater story if he did." So, that's what we have.

They are, of course, gearing up for the inevitable "Peyton put his doubters to rest once and for all yesterday..." story lines.

Do what I do. Just ignore it as best you can.
 
For years Patriots fans laughed at all of Peyton's postseason collapses.

There was not a peep from the media, save for one lonely comment in 2006 by Boomer Esiason. Boomer was roundly slammed for saying on TV that Peyton & the Colts needed to beat Brady & the Pats or else some people would (very unfairly, in his opinion!) think that Peyton was another A-Rod (meaning a choker). Boomer was taken to the woodshed for that mild comment.

We know what then happened in the 2006 AFCCG. Flu. 85 degree heat. 2nd half collapse. A bogus face-guarding flag. An official apology for missed calls. Then the Bears and Rex Grossman provided almost a bye to a Colts Super Bowl win, capping a 3 game run "led" by Peyton with 3 TDs and 7 INTs.

Then came 2007. The Colts, not the Patriots, had the #1 D in the NFL. The 16-0 Patriots got all of the attention. Nobody in the media chirped as Billy Volek outdueled Peyton Manning, giving him one-and-done #5.

Lather, rinse, repeat: in 2008 there was yet another one-and-done loss to San Diego, #6 if you are counting.

In 2009 Peyton and the Colts went to the Super Bowl. Peyton threw a soul-crushing pick-6 to lose the game. No one blamed him one bit, other than a few of us Patriots fans who chuckled and pointed at his 9-9 playoff record.

In 2010, one-and-done AGAIN, one-and-done #7.

Injured in 2011.

2012, one-and-done #8. But...the discussion CHANGED, almost overnight.

Fool me once, twice, 3 times.... then eight times there was finally a wake-up call! The eighth time is a charm I guess! After that loss, one year ago, we finally started hearing people on ESPN, Fox, and even NFL network at least bringing the (then) 9-11 record into the discussion. There became at least a discussion of the contrast between the 9-11 QB with 8 one-and-dones and the 17-7 QB with two one-and-dones, who had virtually the same regular season success while the 9-11 guy had by and large more talent to work with.

Sure, most of the media were regularly lathering up Peyton's ballsack and STILL calling him the greatest ever. This fawning chorus only increased this year, with a season of goofy pinball numbers.

But some people had already spoken up, on TV last year. Spoken up about playoff success (or lack thereof). That had not changed. The 9-11 record was real. The 4-10 record in head-to-heads vs. Brady was real. These few brave media people were not just going to forget it, amazingly.

We now hear more of them, louder and louder. Yes, we have turned them around. Peyton has ownership of that 10-11 career record. Media people, not just Patriots fans, are talking openly about a "mixed legacy" for Peyton Manning. They are talking about Sunday being a "must win" for his career. Even the Colts owner publicly griped that one ring in an amazing decade was just not enough.

In short, national news media are saying what we were saying 8-9 years ago.

That is refreshing.


We need this one on Sunday, though, or a lot of them will immediately sweep it all under the rug and say that 11-11 Manning has caught up to (in that scenario) or even passed 18-8 Brady, that 5-10 in head-to-heads is close enough to call it "advantage Peyton"

I REALLY hope that we do not let that happen.

Nothing would cap the stupid already-resolved (in Brady's favor) Manning-Brady "debate" like another beatdown of the fivehead as a home favorite, at the hands of the true greatest QB of all time.

:rocker:

This is nothing more than a setup in case the Donks win this week. You will witness an apex of ****-smoking by the media that you thought unimaginable. If by some chance (my bet-no chance) that they are even competitive in a SB (and God forbid if they win) microphones and video monitors will simultaneously explode in a verbal Armageddon fueled by media saliva.
 
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