Three ?'s for the board.

Patslifer · Sep 27, 2008

Hey guys and girls. I am having a pretty heated debate with Deus in another thread, and I wanted to get direct feedback from the board on the issues we are going back and forth over. Please take the time to post a response, and leave out the insults. I am not a troll, and I am looking for honest opinions here.

The players in question are as follows:

Maroney
Jackson
Sey

Here's my opinion on these players, and some of the issues that they have:

Maroney - A highly coveted rb out of Minn, that had very high expectations coming out of the draft. I think that Maroney is injury prone, and has shown that his dancing at the line is a flaw in his game that cannot be corrected. I believe that his inability to be the feature back, and to stay on the field is a trend, and it deserves criticism. How do you feel about the issue? I think Maroney has a pretty solid history of the flaws in question. I don't buy into the "holding Maroney out" crap, and I believe that he is injury prone. Belichick plays his players ( look at Hobbs doing kr's). If hobbs goes down, we are screwed.

Jackson - I called Jackson a bust long ago, and was ripped for it. Jackson was cut, and not a single team gave him a shot. Who thinks that Jackson was not a bust, and that I am off-base with my opinion on him.

Sey - Big sey was a force before the injury and the contract. Now he is a shell of himself, and we get excited when he plays well vs a bad team, loaded with rookies (KC). I believe that he is overpaid, and should renegotiate his contract, or they should cut him when the time comes. How do you feel about this issue?

Warren94 · Sep 27, 2008

Maroney still doesn't get it. There were times where he hits the holes and is effective and then he dances around which I agree with.

Jackson didn't have the confidence of brady and he was released.

Seymour. I am willing to give Seymour a few more weeks, to see where he is. He is very versatile and maybe is playing for another paycheck.

PATRIOT64 · Sep 27, 2008

I don't have a problem with what you say but you have to understand 2 things at Patsfans that is obvious....

1) If you don't agree with everything the FO does then you have no reason to post here - Its Kool-Aid or bust and you get put on ignore lists

2) If a player on the team is not as good as projected then you must go into denial and say he is the next HOFer and you will be loved with 5 stars in every post

Thats just the way it is and no one will change it - There is rarily a debate on here where someone is not trashed for his opinion if it is not in positive conjunction with what the team is doing.

Of course people like McBee go way out of bounds on wacky thoughts but thats a whole different issue.

(BTW: Even though he was a rookie.Jackson was a bust who could not even contribute anything in a year that featured Reche Caldwell as the leading receiver -

Maroney is not a #1 Caliber RB in the NFL period,Addai and Jones Drew from that same college draft class will go on to better careers when all is said and done

Seymour has had his best days IMO and will likely not be here next year due to a high salary demand - Thats answering your questions.)

mcbee · Sep 27, 2008

Patslifer said:
Hey guys and girls. I am having a pretty heated debate with Deus in another thread, and I wanted to get direct feedback from the board on the issues we are going back and forth over. Please take the time to post a response, and leave out the insults. I am not a troll, and I am looking for honest opinions here.

The players in question are as follows:

Maroney
Jackson
Sey

Here's my opinion on these players, and some of the issues that they have:

Maroney - A highly coveted rb out of Minn, that had very high expectations coming out of the draft. I think that Maroney is injury prone, and has shown that his dancing at the line is a flaw in his game that cannot be corrected. I believe that his inability to be the feature back, and to stay on the field is a trend, and it deserves criticism. How do you feel about the issue? I think Maroney has a pretty solid history of the flaws in question. I don't buy into the "holding Maroney out" crap, and I believe that he is injury prone. Belichick plays his players ( look at Hobbs doing kr's). If hobbs goes down, we are screwed.

Jackson - I called Jackson a bust long ago, and was ripped for it. Jackson was cut, and not a single team gave him a shot. Who thinks that Jackson was not a bust, and that I am off-base with my opinion on him.

Sey - Big sey was a force before the injury and the contract. Now he is a shell of himself, and we get excited when he plays well vs a bad team, loaded with rookies (KC). I believe that he is overpaid, and should renegotiate his contract, or they should cut him when the time comes. How do you feel about this issue?

Sad to say, I pretty much agree.

JAG RBs have proven to be better than Maroney. Although I wonder why they don't screen pass to him more.

Jackson is a heartbreaker. Just too immature I guess.

Seymour I don't know about. I guess the fire has died and old age crept in. Sad though.

Patslifer · Sep 27, 2008

Warren94 said:
Maroney still doesn't get it. There were times where he hits the holes and is effective and then he dances around which I agree with.

Jackson didn't have the confidence of brady and he was released.

Seymour. I am willing to give Seymour a few more weeks, to see where he is. He is very versatile and maybe is playing for another paycheck.

You have a point about Sey, and I am willing to give him the entire year to prove me wrong. However, I believe at this point, that Sey's best days are behind him, and I think it would bad for the franchise to pay him as one of the best defensive players in the NFL beyond this season.

Patslifer · Sep 27, 2008

PATRIOT64 said:
I don't have a problem with what you say but you have to understand 2 things at Patsfans that is obvious....

1) If you don't agree with everything the FO does then you have no reason to post here - Its Kool-Aid or bust and you get put on ignore lists

2) If a player on the team is not as good as projected then you must go into denial and say he is the next HOFer and you will be loved with 5 stars in every post

Thats just the way it is and no one will change it - There is rarily a debate on here where someone is not trashed for his opinion if it is not in positive conjunction with what the team is doing.

Of course people like McBee go way out of bounds on wacky thoughts but thats a whole different issue.

(BTW: Even though he was a rookie.Jackson was a bust who could not even contribute anything in a year that featured Reche Caldwell as the leading receiver -

Maroney is not a #1 Caliber RB in the NFL period,Addai and Jones Drew from that same college draft class will go on to better careers when all is said and done

Seymour has had his best days IMO and will likely not be here next year due to a high salary demand - Thats answering your questions.)

There is a lot of truth to this post. I remember being attacked when I called Jackson a bust.

PATRIOT64 · Sep 27, 2008

Patslifer said:
There is a lot of truth to this post. I remember being attacked when I called Jackson a bust.

One thing is to NEVER change your views because some internet tough guys said you are wrong

Truth is...

They sit by thier little computers and laptops on this site JUST LIKE YOU

They Read the newspapers and TV and get thier info from that and nothing more JUST LIKE YOU

They relate back to the success the team has been through and think everything will always work out because it has in the past like the moronic Brady 01 Cassel 08 debate which may be the dumbest comparison in the history of mankind (its a boy now trying to do what a man accomplished back then)

They live in the past success and its sad - UNLIKE SOME SUCH AS YOU

Stay strong dude,Tell what you feel and post away!!

Warren94 · Sep 27, 2008

I am swaying that Seymour is all about his next paycheck. We'll see in the draft come April to see where this team goes as far as what players. I would hope OL is a number one priority followed by a replacement for Rodney Harrison or maybe a splash in free agency such as Dansby from Arizona.

MoLewisrocks · Sep 27, 2008

Don't tell me what to post since you don't seem to want to be told what to post.

I think you're one of an unfortunate long line of attention seeking malcontents who joined this board recently to crow about how smart you always were sitting at home alone all these years just knowing what a overblown crock Belichick's supposed genius was.

Most of whom have now quite predictably shown up to support you in this thread effectively outing each other as mcbee level fools.

Wendel · Sep 27, 2008

1) Jackson is as big of a bust as a second round pick can be. Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible pick.

2) Seymour has not been the same, this is just obvious.

3) Maroney is a injury prone 1st round draft pick who could not excel with the greatest passing offense of all time and the best 2007 season offensive line in football.

JSn · Sep 27, 2008

PATRIOT64 said:
...like the moronic Brady 01 Cassel 08 debate which may be the dumbest comparison in the history of mankind (its a boy now trying to do what a man accomplished back then)...

Not sure how your opinion has any more foundation than an idea comparing stats. Moronic. Dumb.

Wow, you're a real deep thinker with a penchant for hyperbole (dumbest comparison in the history of mankind)...

I like the OP's approach t these questions. Yours is just childish.

Jackson: In all likelihood this new guy, Price, will be a stud in comparison.

Maroney: I'm willing to watch the year out. He should be showing something now, for sure, but if he can reflect his better showings from last year more often I'd support the extension of the experiment.

Sey: Have to watch more of the season first.

jmt57 · Sep 27, 2008

Maroney - has been a bit of a disappointment between production and injuries. Appears that we get just as much out of JAGs like Morris and Jordan.

Jackson - obviously a bust, he never learned/fit in the system.

Seymour - I'll reserve judgement till the end of the year. After two seasons of playing hurt, he's finally healthy. He's not going to get paid the same money again, it will all depend on how much the Pats offer him and whether or not he's looking for one last big payday. We don't know how much he's going to be looking for, so how can we say he should be cut? If you forget about how much he is making and just look at performance, he's still a very valuable part of this team.

When you look at where they were drafted and what the Pats got out of them over their careers, Seymour was a hit, Maroney has been less than what was hoped for, and Jackson was a bust.

PatsWickedPissah · Sep 27, 2008

Dear Posters,

After reading the brilliant insights you have expressed on Patriots player draft selections, lack of runing back durability, inadequate QB selection, etc. the management of the New England Patriots wishes to extend you a multiple six figure salary with benefits package as GM of the New England Patriots. Your collective brillance expressed here ad nauseum has made us ashamed of our stewardship, failing to win every Super Bowl this century. The first of you to respond with an acceptance letter will be awarded the position.

We look forward to a greatly improved win-loss record compared to the last 7 years.

Sincerely,

Robert Kraft

JoeSixPat · Sep 27, 2008

Patslifer said:
Hey guys and girls. I am having a pretty heated debate with Deus in another thread, and I wanted to get direct feedback from the board on the issues we are going back and forth over. Please take the time to post a response, and leave out the insults. I am not a troll, and I am looking for honest opinions here.

The players in question are as follows:

Maroney
Jackson
Sey

Here's my opinion on these players, and some of the issues that they have:

Maroney - A highly coveted rb out of Minn, that had very high expectations coming out of the draft. I think that Maroney is injury prone, and has shown that his dancing at the line is a flaw in his game that cannot be corrected. I believe that his inability to be the feature back, and to stay on the field is a trend, and it deserves criticism. How do you feel about the issue? I think Maroney has a pretty solid history of the flaws in question. I don't buy into the "holding Maroney out" crap, and I believe that he is injury prone. Belichick plays his players ( look at Hobbs doing kr's). If hobbs goes down, we are screwed.

Jackson - I called Jackson a bust long ago, and was ripped for it. Jackson was cut, and not a single team gave him a shot. Who thinks that Jackson was not a bust, and that I am off-base with my opinion on him.

Sey - Big sey was a force before the injury and the contract. Now he is a shell of himself, and we get excited when he plays well vs a bad team, loaded with rookies (KC). I believe that he is overpaid, and should renegotiate his contract, or they should cut him when the time comes. How do you feel about this issue?

A heated debate with Deus where he's sure he's right and you're wrong? I don't believe you!

1. The jury is out as to whether Maroney is going to have an injury prone career when all is said and done - but I believe he's proven he can be and is the/a featured back. The issue with the Patriots is that we're stronger by spreading the ball - that's no knock on Maroney though - just smart football.

2. Calling Jackson a bust doesn't give enough credit to his physical skills and talents - but the bottom line was that he couldn't make his roster. I have no problem with someone calling him a bust as Belichick cut him before his rookie contract was up. Generally, any 2nd round draft choice that we cut before their rookie contract is up can be considered a bust.

3. Seymour - stats don't always tell the whole story about someone. Deus typically seems to focus ONLY on stats and won't listen to anyone who uses their eyeballs to watch games rather than reading the stat sheet.

If he's decided to abandon that view in the case of Seymour, good for him - he's right. I don't think Seymour's been playing his BEST football of his career either - but I don't think we have any leverage to have him renegotiate and cutting him makes the team weaker.

If he's overpaid, its not by a lot IMO.

PATRIOT64 · Sep 27, 2008

JSn said:
Not sure how your opinion has any more foundation than an idea comparing stats. Moronic. Dumb.

Wow, you're a real deep thinker with a penchant for hyperbole (dumbest comparison in the history of mankind)...

I like the OP's approach t these questions. Yours is just childish.

Jackson: In all likelihood this new guy, Price, will be a stud in comparison.

Maroney: I'm willing to watch the year out. He should be showing something now, for sure, but if he can reflect his better showings from last year more often I'd support the extension of the experiment.

Sey: Have to watch more of the season first.

Like I said comparing Brady's 2001 season to Cassels is simply ridiculous

Brady showed leadership,even in that loss in his 2nd game that year despite the stats you dug up

Get this through your head - Brady despite losing 5 games that year showed LEADERSHIP as a QB which was crucial to that team winning games
- Cassel is a FOLLOWER who is in to manage games as long as the score remains close and not out of reach

Its an insult to Brady to compare what he did that year to what you think Cassel is going to come close to duplicating - The quarterback does not play all positions but can very well be detrimental to the teams attittude and how fierce they play when he is on the field and how much confidence they have in the player who holds the most important position on the team.

Not to mention that season we had a resurgence of a young Bruschi,McGinest and a developing DE in seymour along with Ty Law who was incredible that year and Lawyer Milloy who was a young Rodney Harrison then

Bruschi is aged,Mcginest is gone and Seymour is playing out his contract -

You can only hope that some of the JAGS like O'Neal can contribute

-O'Neal,Hobbs and Meriweather will never be confused with the 2001 tandem of Law,Otis Smith and Milloy

Just stop the comparisons,its getting out of hand

2001 Magical season is OVER, this is 2008 different season,many different players many different things will happen down the road both good and bad so GET OVER IT!!!

I guess you will go so far as to expect a miracle snow bowl game this year as well if you want to compare seasons.

Pats726 · Sep 27, 2008

Maroney...I do not think he will be a feature back...but I never thought he would be when he was drafted...I think he can share a running back position..but I do think there are questions about his injuries.time will tell. He is more the outside runner and can be effective more with space as on screens etc..
Jackson....Unfortunately..a bust..not mature..I had hoped for him..but I think for now the NFL jury has made their ruling..
Seymour...This was his big year and he had a good first game..it remains ro be seen how he will do and what his next contract will be. Injuries really hampered him last year..this is a big year for him.

PonyExpress · Sep 27, 2008

Hey look, it's an anti-BB ***********.

IcyPatriot · Sep 27, 2008

Patslifer said:
Hey guys and girls. I am having a pretty heated debate with Deus in another thread, and I wanted to get direct feedback from the board on the issues we are going back and forth over. Please take the time to post a response, and leave out the insults. I am not a troll, and I am looking for honest opinions here.

The players in question are as follows:

Maroney
Jackson
Sey

Here's my opinion on these players, and some of the issues that they have:

Maroney - A highly coveted rb out of Minn, that had very high expectations coming out of the draft. I think that Maroney is injury prone, and has shown that his dancing at the line is a flaw in his game that cannot be corrected. I believe that his inability to be the feature back, and to stay on the field is a trend, and it deserves criticism. How do you feel about the issue? I think Maroney has a pretty solid history of the flaws in question. I don't buy into the "holding Maroney out" crap, and I believe that he is injury prone. Belichick plays his players ( look at Hobbs doing kr's). If hobbs goes down, we are screwed.
Maroney will be here through his contract and then he'll be gone.

Jackson - I called Jackson a bust long ago, and was ripped for it. Jackson was cut, and not a single team gave him a shot. Who thinks that Jackson was not a bust, and that I am off-base with my opinion on him. Jackson sucks ... this is such an overtalked dead issue.

Sey - Big sey was a force before the injury and the contract. Now he is a shell of himself, and we get excited when he plays well vs a bad team, loaded with rookies (KC). I believe that he is overpaid, and should renegotiate his contract, or they should cut him when the time comes. How do you feel about this issue?
Seymour will play through his contract and he'll be gone.
Too be fair ... Seymour never said he wanted to play max years anyways.
Seymour has a hard time being away from his family...good for him if he retires.

..............

Patslifer · Sep 27, 2008

PonyExpress said:
Hey look, it's an anti-BB ***********.

Hey look its the leader of the ball washers. I think you should ask Bill if he would like his nuts buffed. Not sure where anyone was ripping Belichick in this thread, but thanks for making things up!

I love how the ball washers show up, blow things out of proportion, make up a bunch of lies, then cry like babys to the mods. Run back to the flock sheep!

MrBigglesWorth · Sep 27, 2008

we won't be screwed if Hobbs goes down

Three ?'s for the board.

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PatsFans.com Supporter

Pro Bowl Player

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