Martial Arts to improve NE Pass Rush

[WaterfallJumper]

Depending on the complexity of the movement, the learner's movement background and aptitude, etc, @Deus Irae is not making a crazy claim. Specific movements can be picked up quickly, as opposed to an entire system or philosophy of movement and combat.

 

[Deus Irae]

sure, keep telling yourself that and one day it will be true

I've done it myself, slick.

 

[Pape]

I've done it myself, slick.

then you should know better, bub

 

[Deus Irae]

then you should know better, bub

I do know. You clearly don't.

 

[Wax Frog]

But the whole wax on, wax off and paint the fence techniques might be useful to pass rushers and the secondary.

Tsk! Tsk! How could you forget....



...Sandafloor?????

 

[PP2]

Good comments. Thanks. I'm admittedly biased as well.

Actually, come to think of it, you do make a good point about TKD not being a good fit for tournaments, or for sparring in general. Although there are a good number that can hold their own, TKD in general doesn't fare well in tournaments because it was never meant to be utilized that way. It's a quick strike art, mainly designed to stun your opponent so you can get the **** out of there. In that way, it's one of the most realistic form of self defense as far as applying MA to real life, because the longer you were in a fight, the more it got equalized, and people just end up getting hurt. I remember my instructor, also a grandmaster, who was brutually frank, and used to say if you can run away, just do it. He was never about ego.

 

[XLIX]

I dunno, the crane stance probably gives you crappy leverage when rushing the passer.

If do right, no can defend.

 

[XLIX]

Anyone else watching Cobra Kai on YouTube Red?

I like Johnny Lawrence more than Daniel LaRusso.

Yeah Daniel turned into a total douche. That series makes Johnny the far more compelling - and sympathetic - character.

 

[Deus Irae]

Of course I know. Years of knowing and competing. That' how I know you are full of b.s.. talking out your ass. And if you did know, then you wouldn' be talking ish Mr strip mall karate takin for three months expert.

It's obvious that you don't know what the hell you're talking about in the context of this discussion. I'm just going to assume that is because you either didn't actually bother to read the thread or because you're having a comprehension issue. As I wrote before:

Given that I've done it, I wouldn't be surprised by the length of time involved. You're not working on a million forms and looking to become so proficient that you can defeat the best in the art. You're working on a small amount of moves and ideas, and looking to improve your performance in another endeavor.

This isn't about a toddler trying to learn every martial arts move in history. This is about an athlete adopting a few ideas and moves of one sport into another. It happens all the time, and it doesn't take "years" to become capable of a few hand placements and blocks, for example.

 

[Bruins29]

Believe what you want Hong Kong Phooey. Your response tells me all I need to know - you don' know what you are talking about and are trying to use bluff and bluster to bully me around. Ain't gonna work.

The techniques these guys will learn ale a long time to master. If the act is not second nature and these guys need to stop and think for a fraction of a second, all advantage is lost. That is not going to happen over three months of camps.
.

Great! You have said your piece. Enough already. I'd like to read about how these techniques could help the players, not about what you think posters here know and dont know.

Also, your name calling is juvenile.

 

[ralmat55]

Why I love Patsfan.com: Patriots hire a martial arts person to help pass rushers with their moves. And, a 4 page thread erupts disputing the adequacy of the discipline of the person they hired. To my surprise, no one has called the instructor a bum or JAG yet. I’m disappointed.

For me, the picture of “Hong Kong Phooey” made it all worthwhile.

 

[Vindicate]

I dunno, I mean. I'm by no means a great dancer but after taking ballet and contemporary for an hour/2 every other day for a few months, it one hundred percent helped every physical activity I participate in, espescially in situations that require quickly shifting blanace, manipulating momentum and more.

The idea of taking some pointers from another perspective and employing them within your own is not such a wild concept. Nor is it skmehing that takes years to do.

Personally, I wonder if Wing Chun would have some solid pointers.

 

[Deus Irae]

I dunno, I mean. I'm by no means a great dancer but after taking ballet and contemporary for an hour/2 every other day for a few months, it one hundred percent helped every physical activity I participate in, espescially in situations that require quickly shifting blanace, manipulating momentum and more.

The idea of taking some pointers from another perspective and employing them within your own is not such a wild concept. Nor is it skmehing that takes years to do.

Personally, I wonder if Wing Chun would have some solid pointers.

Pape's talking out of his ass. The notion that it takes years to get anything functionally usable out of martial arts is absurd on its face. He's either just not bothering to read the thread, or being a troll. Either way, he's clowning himself.

 

[Dragda]

I do know. You clearly don't.

I agree with Deus. I learned a form of kung Fu in a short period. I was never a master but with a handful of moves, blocks and counters I was effective. In just a few months. I can still do them 35 years later without a thought.

 

[Deus Irae]

Didn't start it...

Tale of the tape....

They're not going to have to learn the entire art from a to z. You can learn specific moves very quickly. And you can use then in an effective manner quickly, too.

sure, keep telling yourself that and one day it will be true

I've done it myself, slick.

then you should know better, bub

I do know. You clearly don't.

Of course I know. Years of knowing and competing. That' how I know you are full of b.s.. talking out your ass. And if you did know, then you wouldn' be talking ish Mr strip mall karate takin for three months expert.

 

[MassPats38]

After some of the defensive showings last season,

 

[Deus Irae]

That's right, slick

"keep telling yourself that and one day it will be true"


You were the first to "go there".
You were the first to ratchet things up.

I'll now put you on ignore, because you're a troll

 

[Fixit]

Pape, you're wrong in every possible way here. Just let it go, man!

 

[Joker]

let me weigh in here, being of advanced age and experience. I ,Joe Kerr, am the only black belt practitioner of dung fu currently throwing the B.S. around on this site.I see many of you seeking enlightenment so I'll make a one time offer of $99.99 for an introductory 6 month course in this oldest of martial arts.

 

[BTTA]

I'm delighted to see this article. My experience is with aikido and that's left me to wonder for years why NFL teams don't train their guys in a relevant mixture of martial arts techniques. If in high school as a defensive end I'd known what I learned about balance and using someone's motion against them in six months of aikido training, I probably would have gotten a D1 football scholarship. Combine that with a few techniques from other martial arts, and it would have to be very useful out there.

What is it in the original article that indicates that this guy is only going to use one martial art in this very specialized instruction he been providing NFL players for nearly two decades? If he is that limited, someone else would have eclipsed him as an NFL contractor years ago.