Brady: My medical (concussion) history isn't anyone's business

[XLIX]

Show me where I said that. I did not, and you are a liar.

I am drawing logical conclusions from your statements. And since you have now engaged in personal attacks by calling me a liar and a moron, please feel free to GFY and continue your temper tantrum elsewhere.

No. No such right currently exists, by any statute that I know about. Rights do not exist just because of a touchy-feely notion that having a certain right is a great idea.

It sounds wise that such a right ought to exist. Maybe it's a good idea, but no such right now exists, and will not until the players agree to forfeit their privacy rights.

Well, I disagree. This isn't Constitutional Law and we aren't talking about some cubicle worker keeping his medical history of high blood pressure under wraps from his white collar employer. A team has a right to know the medical status of the players to make the best decisions regarding whom should play, both for safety and for competitive reasons.

Good luck to any Patriot player who tells Coach Belichick "my health status is none of your business, keep your trainers away from me, I'll deal with it myself."

 

[XLIX]

I'm pretty sure MLB and the NBA don't have mandatory injury reports. Anyone know about the NHL? My understanding is that the NFL injury report exists to accommodate gamblers. Why would a league which consistently distances itself from gambling even have an injury report requirement? I have no idea...

Personally, I think they should do away with the injury reports. But yes, the reasoning behind it is so that no one has any inside info. If everything is made public, no gamblers can gain an edge. Of course, while that sounds good in theory, it doesn't really work so well in practice.

As for those other sports, they don't really have the gambling factors as much as the NFL. So maybe that's why they don't bother to report. MLB and NHL can activate and disable players left and right throughout the season.... seriously injured players get to disappear for a week or two....

 

[Tony2046]

No, I don't expect that. A competitor like Brady, even if he knew he got his bell rung, would not volunteer to come out of the game.

Then I don't understand your position at all.

Players are not going to report concussion like symptoms to anyone, especially if they are still playing at a high level, because they know it could result with being put into the protocol which means being pulled from that game . If Brady was concussed during any game last season it didn't show up in his performance.

 

[PatsWSB47]

I am drawing logical conclusions from your statements. And since you have now engaged in personal attacks by calling me a liar and a moron, please feel free to GFY and continue your temper tantrum elsewhere.
Well, I disagree. This isn't Constitutional Law and we aren't talking about some cubicle worker keeping his medical history of high blood pressure under wraps from his white collar employer. A team has a right to know the medical status of the players to make the best decisions regarding whom should play, both for safety and for competitive reasons.

Good luck to any Patriot player who tells Coach Belichick "my health status is none of your business, keep your trainers away from me, I'll deal with it myself."

You do realize that if every player followed your recommendations or proticals or whatever you call them that by week 8 half of the freaking league could be under concussion treatments. Practice squads would be emptied and offensive personell would have to play defense and vise versa. Belichick would be punting and Solder might have to be the quarterback. Sheesh!

 

[Tony2046]

You do realize that if every player followed your recommendations or proticals or whatever you call them that by week 8 half of the freaking league could be under concussion treatments. Practice squads would be emptied and offensive personell would have to play defense and vise versa. Belichick would be punting and Solder might have to be the quarterback. Sheesh!

You could have said "half the freaking league would look like the Jete "

 

[XLIX]

Then I don't understand your position at all.

Understandable, since others in here have deliberately misstated my position, so please allow me to clarify my thesis by bringing back the very first post I made in this thread:

I have to respectfully disagree with what Brady said. Player injuries are supposed to be reported to the league and the league makes it available to the public weekly at a set schedule. Teams have to report missed practice time as well as "significant or noteworthy" injuries. There are rules in place which prevent teams from telling the league "that's none of your business" when a player is injured. There is also a separate protocol for dealing with concussions.

 

[XLIX]

You do realize that if every player followed your recommendations or proticals or whatever you call them that by week 8 half of the freaking league could be under concussion treatments. Practice squads would be emptied and offensive personell would have to play defense and vise versa. Belichick would be punting and Solder might have to be the quarterback. Sheesh!

I disagree. I do not believe "half the league" would be out of action in any given week.

We criticize the league for doing too little to help the players. Now people are complaining about the league taking too "heavy handed" of an approach. I guess they just can't win.

 

[Tony2046]

Understandable, since others in here have deliberately misstated my position, so please allow me to clarify my thesis by bringing back the very first post I made in this thread:

I have to respectfully disagree with what Brady said. Player injuries are supposed to be reported to the league and the league makes it available to the public weekly at a set schedule. Teams have to report missed practice time as well as "significant or noteworthy" injuries. There are rules in place which prevent teams from telling the league "that's none of your business" when a player is injured. There is also a separate protocol for dealing with concussions.

Ok I understand your position. I don't agree with it but it's not crazy.

Physical injuries and Concussions are two separate animals and are handled differently.

"None of your business" was directed at the media.

Not sure how a player who is playing well is able to distinguish between a mild concussion and a ding. I also don't understand how some think such a player would report concussion like symptoms to anyone on the sideline especially if they are still playing well.

BTW: As far as player safety goes the concussion protocol does little to protect a player from CTE. CTE is believed to be caused by the cumulative hits over his career both concussive and subconcussive. The protocol does help protect a player from immediate danger which can result from playing immediately after a concussion.

 

[Joker]

"None of your business" was directed at the media."

and the Stumblington message board knowers-of-things....

 

[Tony2046]

"None of your business" was directed at the media."

and the Stumblington message board knowers-of-things....

I have no idea what that means.

 

[Joker]

the pimpletons of the sports message board world that infect threads with constant negativity

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah. Sure. It's a meaningless media story. So was deflategate the morning after the AFCCG. It's only a "meaningless media story" so long as the NFL decides not to investigate.

Considering the league suspended an innocent man 4 games and took a 1st rounder away from the team for something which didn't happen, what do you think they would do over a transgression to the team for something which probably did?

These are not the same thing.
What did they do? Brady is not required at all to report concussions.

 

[Ring 6]

I never said he was required to report, did I? (Although I would gladly wager the Patriots have a team policy that would require such a thing, but that's another matter and something I freely admit I could never prove)

What I said was that getting a concussion is not "nobody's business." Huge difference in those 2 statements, so please respond to the statement I made, not the one you're pretending I made.

I'm responding to the statement Brady made. Your misinterpretation of it is irrelevant to me.

Here's a simple question: If a player feels he has gotten a concussion, do you believe the team has the right to know? Does Belichick have the right to know what players have been concussed? Please note I am not asking you what the rules say, I'm just asking your opinion on if you feel a team has the right to know about a player' health, or if it's none of their business.

That is up to the player. There is no question that many players would not disclose a concussion if it meant they would he pulled from the game. And yes it is their right to make that choice. Having the right to do something is not the same as making a good decision about it.

 

[XLIX]

These are not the same thing.
What did they do? Brady is not required at all to report concussions.

But if he told the team about it, they are. None of us know the truth but I don't believe for a second Brady got a concussion *and* he withheld that information from the team, head coach, and trainers.

Gisele should have kept her yap shut.

 

[XLIX]

I'm responding to the statement Brady made. Your misinterpretation of it is irrelevant to me.


That is up to the player. There is no question that many players would not disclose a concussion if it meant they would he pulled from the game. And yes it is their right to make that choice. Having the right to do something is not the same as making a good decision about it.

Well like I said before, good luck to any player who tells Belichick "I'm sorry, Coach, but my health status is none of your business. I have the right to keep it private."

(Not to mention I don't believe for a single second Brady would do such a thing.)

 

[Ring 6]

But if he told the team about it, they are. None of us know the truth but I don't believe for a second Brady got a concussion *and* he withheld that information from the team, head coach, and trainers.

Gisele should have kept her yap shut.

What you believe isn't relevant. Your level of belief or doubt is not proof something did or didn't happen and you cannot possibly claim to have any more insight into what Brady would or wouldn't do than any random person would.

 

[Ring 6]

Well like I said before, good luck to any player who tells Belichick "I'm sorry, Coach, but my health status is none of your business. I have the right to keep it private."

(Not to mention I don't believe for a single second Brady would do such a thing.)

You just created, dissected and disputed your own straw man. Nice job.

 

[XLIX]

What you believe isn't relevant. Your level of belief or doubt is not proof something did or didn't happen and you cannot possibly claim to have any more insight into what Brady would or wouldn't do than any random person would.

I never claimed I had proof, but my insights into this team are greater than some random person, and also far greater that yours, but that's another matter.

 

[XLIX]

You just created, dissected and disputed your own straw man. Nice job.

You obviously don't have the first clue what I am saying. No surprise.

 

[Simpelton]

Well like I said before, good luck to any player who tells Belichick "I'm sorry, Coach, but my health status is none of your business. I have the right to keep it private."

(Not to mention I don't believe for a single second Brady would do such a thing.)

Here's where I disagree with you. I believe Brady absolutely would conceal, has concealed, and will continue to conceal minor concussion issues, as would, and has, every athlete in the NFL.

Not every concussion is an obvious injury. Not every concussion is a Concussion. We have systems set up to catch the big ones, but what about the little ones? Is Brady supposed to report every time he gets his bell rung? Every time he gets hit hard enough that he's seeing stars or a bit weak in the knees for a minute or has trouble refocusing his eyes for a few seconds after the hit? Because each of those is also a concussion, and each one contributes to the cumulative repetitive injury effect that is CTE. But this kind of little-c concussion is simply something every player in the NFL gets to deal with in a contact sport where the goal is to get the opponent to the ground by any legal means. There is no way to reform the sport of football to avoid minor concussive events.

The guys who are having the worst time with CTE aren't the guys who got their bell rung one, big time. It's the guys who got rung a lot of little times. Again, is Brady supposed to report every time he has minor concussion like symptoms for a few seconds after a hit? Of course not, that's nonsense, half the team would be reporting issues every single game.

I think that's the central point that people are kind of groping around. What is a concussion and what is a Concussion. Because failing to report a concussion and failing to report a Concussion are two different problems, and it's a tough area for an athlete who's trying to focus on competing in the league to really get a handle on and try to answer. Because Concussions, the big ones, the major damage that can wreck a player's career if it's not taken care of immediately, are absolutely the league's problem, but every little concussion, every little brain bruise that simply happens in a contact sport like football, probably is not.

I think it's entirely possible that Giselle, worried about the cumulative effect of 16 years of being dinged in the head a few times a game, spoke out about Brady not reporting concussions, and the media leaps to the conclusion he isn't reporting Concussions. As in he's taking big injuries to his brain and trying to play through them which isn't happening. And it's going to be hard to be specific enough to talk the media around right when they're pursuing the "big" story as hard as they usually do.