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You Should Watch Bruschi Destroy The Spygate Haters

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  1. Brady'sButtBoy

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    I think the video discussion needs it's own separate thread please. The other Spygate thread is about the issue but not the actual video.

    I'm pretty sure the NFL Live from yesterday afternoon is still available online, you should watch it if you want to see Tedy's blood boil. The moderator of the show (his name slips my mind, it wasn't Wingo) did a very good job of putting hard straight questions to both Bruschi and Mangini - yes, they were seated next to each for the Spygate discussion.

    Tedy passionately and articulately destroys the haters several times - if you're a true Pats fan you'll be pumping your fist and shouting, Yes!

    Tedy sort of lets Harbaugh off the hook, but not completely.

    When Mangini starts saying he wishes he had never began the mess, the cameras back off so you can see Tedy as well as Mangini and I'd swear Bruschi is ready to rip Mangini's head off.

    The creme de la creme arrives late as the moderator, from out of nowhere, asks Bruschi and Mangini if they are OK with each other! They both stumble over their words at first, but most telling is Bruschi never looking directly at Mangini for more than a split second while he says he doesn't carry a grudge. Both looked like they'd rather have been anywhere else! Bruschi because he wants to drill Mangini but can't, and Mangini because he can't miss Bruschi's body language and that he sounds more and more like a rat as he goes on wishing he could take it all back.

    It's electric stuff for Pats fans.

    Reaction To Harbaugh's Comments - ESPN Video - ESPN
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    Let's take a step back for a second...

    OK. BSPN misconstrued Harbaugh's comments just like they do with everything. All Harbaugh said was spygate ruined people's perception of the Pats and Bountygate ruined the Saints' perception. He did not imply the asterisk thing (similar to all of the steroid noise in baseball) like everyone wants to think. As annoying as Harbaugh and a lot of the Ratbirds can be with their mouthing off, this wasn't one of those times.

    I maintain that if the Pats were terrible when the Spygate stuff came out, no one would have cared. It DID NOT help that we proceeded to smash everyone's favorite team on the way to a super bowl appearance. We hurt a lot of feelings that season, and ESPN kept pounding the drum and rallying everyone against the team that was killing everyone.
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    I was hoping to keep this thread about the video - not that I disagree with your opinion.
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    A noble cause and good luck with that. (This board has been even more ornery than usual lately. And not always laser-focused on a particular thread's subject.)

    I appreciate the link; I hadn't watched it.

    On thing that I have to say struck me was when Bruschi said Spygate happened and the Patriots paid the price. So there is a sense that the players know whatever happened was wrong and the Pats got caught. I guess as a fan, that chips away one very low and small level of deniability that what they did was wrong. I put that at the no-Santa-CLaus-or-Easter-Bunny level.

    Of course, what was done wrong still needs to be shown in proper context and proportion. There needs to be more candor about how prevalent these practices were league wide — unlike bountygate, "everyone else was doing it" IS relevant because the issue is one of competitive advantage. Maybe it's just the homer in me, but I have to believe the Patriots players and coaches know of stuff that other teams have done, and they've been nobly silent about it.

    Anyway, on topic, I feel like Mangini was ripe for some hard questioning there and the announcer missed an opportunity to put this all into context, and explain how it went from gamesmanship to over-the-top persecution.

    Also: I think at the end Bruschi is actually asked if he and Harbaugh are OK, not Mangini. I could be wrong.
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    Maybe they cut it from the video replay - I saw the whole thing on TV - and the moderator definitely put Bruschi and Mangini on the spot as to whether they are OK with each other. It was a weird moment; it's easy to forget that Bruschi and Mangini worked closely together for years before Mangini left for the NYJ.
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    Some people are taking this the wrong way. Yeah he and the Ravens are a bunch of cry babies..but a lot of coaches in the NFL probably agree with him but don't say anything. You can say whatever you want...but it doesn't change the fact that they have had great success since the whole incident..which squashes every single person that says they haven't won **** since
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    Bruschi was on the Cheatriots teams.... Of course he's going to defend them.
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    I didn't insult anybody, I simply made a point. If I was just a troll I'd have been banned by now.
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    Uh huh. So no name calling, huh?

    If you have some new info please fire away, otherwise trolll someplace else.
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    we have become a society where if there is a possibility to blame something other than themselves, then that automatically becomes the primary reason for the failure.

    its a convenient way to shirk responsibility and to deflect the notion of ones own incompetence
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    Nah - I'm feeling a little nicer today after yesterday's incident. So now he's confined to the "Visiting Locker Room" forum where he can debate this out with those who feel the need to spar back and forth with him. So if you're reading this buffalobills365, that's where your access is now limited to.

    For everyone else, move along - nothing else to see here :cool:
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    What needs to be specified publicly is exactly what information was collected pertaining to other teams' signals and how/when it was applied. This never came to light, leading to all kinds of wild speculation over "cheating" to gain a competitive advantage. If these basic facts were brought into the open, EVERYONE would understand how minor the rule infraction truly was. From what I recall, BB alluded to the fact that the tapes were filed away for breakdown and reference at a later date.

    As noted numerous times, the practice of monitoring other teams' sideline signals was common throughout the league, via taping them from various locations and taking notes by watching through binoculars. What the Pats did was violate a rule banning taping from a certain location, NOT a ban on stealing signals. The general (ignorant) misconception out there is the Pats cheated by stealing signals, which NEVER was the issue.
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    So if you are not a troll you are just ignorant of what actually happened, such as when the new rules were put in effect. We will be glad to teach you the truth. If you aren't just a troll, you will be willing to listen.
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    excellent video, seriously though Bruschi looks like he could take mayweather at that point

    when the guy who started spygate (mangini) accepts and believes the fact that it did not give a superior advantage to the patriots, but simply wanted to inconvinience them at the jets home stadium (which is something we here ALL knew pretty much) then you gotta believe him no?

    whatever, whoever is still citing spygate and is hung up on spygate is an idiot so what does it really matter?
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    I like the sentiment, but I do wish that either/both of them had been a little more articulate in explaining why they both agree that Spygate didn't give a competitive advantage. That's the perspective that nobody outside of New England understands/cares about.
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    You should have been banned by now, so I dunno if you should be using that as the centerpiece of your argument. In any case, could you please tell me exactly how many consecutive games your team has to lose before you'll conclude that they do, in fact, suck? I'd like to keep count.
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    Ahh that's easy

    The quy videotaping on the Jets sideline filmed the hand signals ...
    Then he quickly ran from the sidelines around the end zone and to the Patriots bench ..

    They hooked it up to a laptop with SPY decoder software and decoded the hand signals ...

    Then they called up to the defensive coordinator who relayed the formation into Brady's headset.

    SIMPLE
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    I think that Mangini blew a golden opportunity to set things right with the Patriot Nation. All he had to do was say that they were also filming the Patriot's coaches. It is a known fact that the Patriots stopped a Jets employee from taping during the playoffs the previous year. If Mangini came clean and admitted that they were doing the same thing, I think that most Patriot fans would let by gones be by gones. Matt Walsh (another rat) even admitted that he and the Jets videotaping guy would stand side by side and point at each others sideline.
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    You know what I feel is a little odd about all this. ESPN, the NFL....... Pretty much all involved seem to be dedicating MORE time then I have see to date on the rebuttal of the spygate stuff then on the original dumb quotes.

    Lets face it. Had Harbone just made the comments, it would have died down in about 20 minutes and he just would have been "another" voice among the haters (there have been so many over the years). This time seems a little different. His "apology" got more airtime then his original comments.

    Bruschi and Mangini basically are given a solo infomercial-style Platform for which to basically say 1) I regret what I did, 2) Our trophies aren't tainted. Now we all know, and HAVE known for since this all started that this is the truth, but I have NEVER seen so much time dedicated to letting the "Patriots" story out. It seems that, outside the typical haters on ESPN, more people are downplaying these stories like they are no big deal.

    I think that the NFL is beginning to realize that these stories have taken on a life of their own. Belichick is probably one of the most important Coach-figures in the NFL that the league has seen in probably 40 years. Kraft is probably the most influential owner that practically single-handedly saved the season last year. The Saints super-bowl victory was one of the "best" feel good stories in the NFL for decades given the Katrina stuff. It does't no good for the sport to continue to beat the most important people in the league.

    Seems like there might be an effort at the top to begin to minimize these "scandals" that got blown out of proportion in the first place because they involves such important people in the sport.

    Don't get me wrong, there are still plenty of haters out there, just I sense a subtle change.
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    He has been been kick off the thread but not banned. There is a glimmer of hope that he may understand that he's not posting on a Bills board and he is in our house.

    It depends on how he reacts to the infraction points and going forward acts like a football fan and not a troll. The door has been opened for a quick exit though.:cool:
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    The Patriots were not penalized for spying
    The Saints are not being penalized for placing bounties
    They were penalized for defying a written mandate from the Comminsioner to Cease those activities.
    The commissioner can't say or prove that such activities lead to wins or unfairness (which is what it has all become) - but he can say I am God - Obey my commandments and do so at your peril.
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